The "Rapture" potentially VERY CLOSE!! ~~ A View of Scripture and Current Events.

[LittleLambofJesus]

Could a moderator please delete these back and forth posts that have nothing to do with the original post. Glenn Beck losing his job had nothing to do with the original post.

There seems to be a number of threads on the American Politics board about him.
I never knew he was that popular

http://www.christianforums.com/t7539113/
Glenn Beck is losing it

 

[NightHawkeye]

There seems to be a number of threads on the American Politics board about him.
I never knew he was that popular

http://www.christianforums.com/t7539113/
Glenn Beck is losing it

Glenn Beck is multi-faceted ... whether on agrees with his opinions or not.

Truth is Glenn Beck is moving away from politics. His show focuses more and more on God, Israel, what time it is and standing with the truth.



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[Yekcidmij]

Glenn Beck is multi-faceted ... whether on agrees with his opinions or not.

Truth is Glenn Beck is moving away from politics. His show focuses more and more on God, Israel, what time it is and standing with the truth.

The truth is that Glenn Beck is not a Trinitarian. So, it really matters little to me what Glenn Beck says about god since I don't worship his god.

 

[Shesapeach]

The truth is that Glenn Beck is not a Trinitarian. So, it really matters little to me what Glenn Beck says about god since I don't worship his god.

There will always be disagreements over doctrine. Glenn Beck says he believes that Jesus is Lord, and he is taking action on that fact. Glenn Beck is my brother in Christ.

 

[Yekcidmij]

There will always be disagreements over doctrine.

Trinitarianism is a statement about the essence of God. By definition, a Trinitarian and non-Trinitarian are worshiping different gods.

Glenn Beck says he believes that Jesus is Lord, and he is taking action on that fact. Glenn Beck is my brother in Christ.

Glenn Beck's salvation or non-salvation is not my call to make. I'm simply stating that because of what Trinitarianism claims, a Trinitarian and non-Trinitarian are worshiping different gods. Glenn Beck may or may not be knowlingly and willingly making a mistake, but as a Trinitarian who knows better, I can't simply say, "oh we disagree on some things". No, we disagree over what god to worship and what "god" is.

 

[Shesapeach]

Trinitarianism is a statement about the essence of God. By definition, a Trinitarian and non-Trinitarian are worshiping different gods.



Glenn Beck's salvation or non-salvation is not my call to make. I'm simply stating that because of what Trinitarianism claims, a Trinitarian and non-Trinitarian are worshiping different gods. Glenn Beck may or may not be knowlingly and willingly making a mistake, but as a Trinitarian who knows better, I can't simply say, "oh we disagree on some things". No, we disagree over what god to worship and what "god" is.

Ya know, I haven't read Glenn Beck's "official" statement of beliefs. I have heard him say that he loves and worships Jesus and God and even mentioned the Holy Spirit so....???

 

[NightHawkeye]

No, we disagree over what god to worship and what "god" is.

Consider these ...

Micah 4:1 But in the last days it shall come to pass, that the mountain of the house of the LORD shall be established in the top of the mountains, and it shall be exalted above the hills; and people shall flow unto it.
2 And many nations shall come, and say, Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, and to the house of the God of Jacob; and he will teach us of his ways, and we will walk in his paths: for the law shall go forth of Zion, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.
3 And he shall judge among many people, and rebuke strong nations afar off; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up a sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.
4 But they shall sit every man under his vine and under his fig tree; and none shall make them afraid: for the mouth of the LORD of hosts hath spoken it.
5 For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of the LORD our God for ever and ever.

1 John4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.
16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.
17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
18 There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.
19 We love him, because he first loved us.
20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?
21 And this commandment have we from him, That he who loveth God love his brother also.


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[Yekcidmij]

Ya know, I haven't read Glenn Beck's "official" statement of beliefs. I have heard him say that he loves and worships Jesus and God and even mentioned the Holy Spirit so....???

Just believing in and worshiping the Father Son and Holy Spirit isn't necessarily Trinitarianism.

 

[NightHawkeye]

Just believing in and worshiping the Father Son and Holy Spirit isn't necessarily Trinitarianism.

Mark 12:28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
32 And the scribe said unto him, Well, Master, thou hast said the truth: for there is one God; and there is none other but he:
33 And to love him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all the soul, and with all the strength, and to love his neighbour as himself, is more than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices.
34 And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

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[Joshua David]

Trinitarianism is a statement about the essence of God. By definition, a Trinitarian and non-Trinitarian are worshiping different gods.



Glenn Beck's salvation or non-salvation is not my call to make. I'm simply stating that because of what Trinitarianism claims, a Trinitarian and non-Trinitarian are worshiping different gods. Glenn Beck may or may not be knowlingly and willingly making a mistake, but as a Trinitarian who knows better, I can't simply say, "oh we disagree on some things". No, we disagree over what god to worship and what "god" is.

Yekcidmij do you have a complete understanding of the essence of God? Do you know everything about God that there is to know? Don't you think that it is possible that the Angels who have been in direct contact with God for Ages past would have a better understanding of God then you do? Does that mean that you and the Angel's serve a different God?

Don't you just love questions?

Joshau David

 

[Yekcidmij]

Yekcidmij do you have a complete understanding of the essence of God? Do you know everything about God that there is to know?

Does this have anything to do with what I DO know?

Don't you think that it is possible that the Angels who have been in direct contact with God for Ages past would have a better understanding of God then you do? Does that mean that you and the Angel's serve a different God?

I can only go by what "essence" means and what God has revealed about himself. Just because I'm not omniscient doesn't mean I can forgo what I already DO know and that for which I'm already responsible and accountable. It's rather illogical to argue in this manner: you don't know everything therefore you can ignore what you do know. It's a little ridiculous to say that even though I disagree with Beck over which god to pledge my faith to that I can set that aside and go along with Beck's theological ideas.

What I find interesting is that so many other supposed Trinitarians listen to Beck's theology. I think it's because most of them do not understand what Trinitarianism says/claims and think it's another doctrine akin to what music to play in church. No, the doctrine of the Trinity is a claim about God's very essence - that/those thing(s) which makes God GOD and without which he would not be god, or maybe he would be some other god. In any case I think that many American Christians are willing to set aside the Trinity and listen to Beck's theological ideas because (1) they don't properly understand, or maybe care to understand, what the doctrine of the Trinity is/claims and what that entails and (2) they agree with Beck's political idealogy to such a degree that they are willing to sacrifice the doctrine of the Trinity to run with him. It really strikes me as a lack of applying critical thought to things that you agree with to some degree and a sign of mental serfdom.

 

[Joshua David]

You know.. I love the fact that you never answer a single question that I asked you.

You 'answered' the first two questions with a question, and in you 'answer' to the other two questions, you never really answered the questions at all.

But be that as it may, let's discuss what you did reply with.

I can only go by what "essence" means and what God has revealed about himself. Just because I'm not omniscient doesn't mean I can forgo what I already DO know and that for which I'm already responsible and accountable.

And no one is suggesting that you should forgo what you DO know, and for which I'm already responsible and accountable. The issue is not with what you know or what you believe about God it is about how you hold everyone else to the exact same responsibility and accountability.

My point in asking you about the Angels is that to me it is pretty easy to assume that the angels, with their constant contact of thousands of years at least, would have a pretty good idea about God's essence. Do you think they judge you in the same way that you are judging Beck? I will ask the question again, do you serve a different God than the Angels just because they have a better understanding of God then you do? Or do you think it is possible that they allow you to serve God in the capacity that you can given you very limited understanding?

If Beck knowledge of God is limited, does that mean that he serves a different God? Absolutely not. Just as you serve the same God as the angels do even though your understanding is limited.

Joshua David

 

[interpreter]

Yes, he does. He speaks of a resurrection, immortality, a home in heaven, and the fact that he's going to come and take us there, confirming Psalm 50, Joel 2, Isaiah 26-19-21.


Jhn 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Jhn 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Jhn 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Jhn 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.

The Revelation tells us that heaven, or the New Jerusalem, occurs over a thousand years from now after everyone dies in the final battle, and all are resurrected. No rapture. You have to die, and be resurrected, to get to heaven. Yes, I would say it takes Jesus to resurrect everybody, but that's not a rapture.

 

[Shesapeach]

The Revelation tells us that heaven, or the New Jerusalem, occurs over a thousand years from now after everyone dies in the final battle, and all are resurrected. No rapture. You have to die, and be resurrected, to get to heaven. Yes, I would say it takes Jesus to resurrect everybody, but that's not a rapture.

Actually, it says the New Jerusalem comes down after 1000 years.

Jesus said "AND whoever LIVES AND BELIEVES in me will NEVER DIE".

Never die = immortality.

At what moment in time do people who are alive, and believe in Christ, NEVER DIE???

How is it that they BECOME immortal so as to never die? How and when does mortal flesh become IMMORTAL flesh?



Jhn 11:25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
Jhn 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Jhn 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if [it were] not [so], I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Jhn 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.

 

[zeke37]

Does this have anything to do with what I DO know?



I can only go by what "essence" means and what God has revealed about himself. Just because I'm not omniscient doesn't mean I can forgo what I already DO know and that for which I'm already responsible and accountable. It's rather illogical to argue in this manner: you don't know everything therefore you can ignore what you do know. It's a little ridiculous to say that even though I disagree with Beck over which god to pledge my faith to that I can set that aside and go along with Beck's theological ideas.

What I find interesting is that so many other supposed Trinitarians listen to Beck's theology. I think it's because most of them do not understand what Trinitarianism says/claims and think it's another doctrine akin to what music to play in church. No, the doctrine of the Trinity is a claim about God's very essence - that/those thing(s) which makes God GOD and without which he would not be god, or maybe he would be some other god. In any case I think that many American Christians are willing to set aside the Trinity and listen to Beck's theological ideas because (1) they don't properly understand, or maybe care to understand, what the doctrine of the Trinity is/claims and what that entails and (2) they agree with Beck's political idealogy to such a degree that they are willing to sacrifice the doctrine of the Trinity to run with him. It really strikes me as a lack of applying critical thought to things that you agree with to some degree and a sign of mental serfdom.

the Trinity is an interesting subject. I claim belief in The Triune God
I believe in God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit...
but how others define that word, is not my concern...

no box allowed.

 

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[Joshua David]

The Revelation tells us that heaven, or the New Jerusalem, occurs over a thousand years from now after everyone dies in the final battle, and all are resurrected. No rapture. You have to die, and be resurrected, to get to heaven. Yes, I would say it takes Jesus to resurrect everybody, but that's not a rapture.

Could you explain the scriptures that lead you to the conclusion that everyone dies in the final battle?

Joshua David

 

[interpreter]

Could you explain the scriptures that lead you to the conclusion that everyone dies in the final battle?

Joshua David

The old earth "flees away," and "passed away" and is destroyed by fire from heaven. Then all the dead are raised. and those found worthy get to live on a new earth without any sea (probably Mars). See ch. 20& 21 of the Revelation.