The "Rapture" potentially VERY CLOSE!! ~~ A View of Scripture and Current Events.

[bliz]

“But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left. Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left. Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming. But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what part of the night the thief was coming, he would have stayed awake and would not have let his house be broken into. Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

—Matthew 24:36-44

 

[NightHawkeye]

Oh, I don't doubt He's coming -- I just know lunacy when I see it. But just to make you happy, I re-ran the entire program, this time inserting the 2 Peter 3:3 Scoffer Paradigm into the mix. The 666 Beast Identifier whirled and gurgled and churned out a little card saying: G-l-e-n-n B-e-c-k.

Actually, Glenn Beck is one of the Two Witnesses.

Check out when Pat Gray joined up with Glenn Beck in witnessing. It was on July 13, 2009. Count 1260 days to Dec 24, 2012. Check out the date Achilles predicted the two witnesses mission would end, Dec 24.

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11:11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

If Beck and Gray are the witnesses, then justsurfing's timeline is only off by about six months.

 

[justsurfing]

“But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. For as were the days of Noah, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and they were unaware until the flood came and swept them all away, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. Then two men will be in the field; one will be taken and one left. Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one left. Therefore, stay awake, for you do not know on what day your Lord is coming. But know this, that if the master of the house had known in what part of the night the thief was coming, he would have stayed awake and would not have let his house be broken into. Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

—Matthew 24:36-44

The midpoint of the apocalypse is not the final return of Jesus Christ. It is the time of the rising of a prophesied nation on earth that will be protected during the Great Tribulation.

If we are awake and know the day that the 666 beast rises initiating the apocalypse, the scripture tells us that 1260 days later he commits the abomination of desolation.

The abomination of desolation is not the coming of the Lord. It's a day "eligible" in scripture to be known so long as people are watching and praying. It's eligible to be revealed by the Holy Spirit through the Word of God in my opinion.

God doesn't want us to be blind and not know who the 666 beast is AS HE RISES ~~ and WHEN the 7 year apocalypse begins AS IT BEGINS.

We can know these things, I believe.

 

[justsurfing]

I know how upsetting it is when some people come around and mock you. It's happened to me before too, many times.

Just try and ignore it the best that you can and understand that we are all in different phases of spiritual development, if you know what I mean.

Some are a little more mature then others. Mature christians do not mock or belittle others.

Hi Lisa, yes, it's very disruptive to the study of the Word and Christian discussion. I'm sorry that's happened. I believe people who post in that manner should have their posts deleted. Their posting privileges revoked. They should not be allowed to pollute a thread.

Also, it is not always a case of spiritual maturity. Not everyone who says he is a Christian is a Christian. By their fruits we will know them.

Matthew 7:20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. 21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

Persons should not be allowed to come onto Christian discussion threads and create distractions with Alinskey tactics of ridicule.

Thanks for your note, Lisa. God's blessing to you.

 

[justsurfing]

Rev 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.
11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.
11:9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
11:10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11:11 And after three days and an half the spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

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For me, I think it remains to be seen who the two witnesses are. I will withhold an opinion at this time.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

At the 5th seal, the saints are told to wait for a season for the wrath of God until all saints who are going to be martyred are martyred:

Revelation 6: 9And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

No, it doesn't. The martyrs are crying out to be avenged. They want final judgment against those who killed them. They are given white robes and told they have to wait until more martyrs come in BEFORE THEY ARE AVENGED/BEFORE FINAL JUDGMENT COMES.

God waits to pour out wrath upon the 666 beast system (outside the protected area) until all saints are sealed and protected on earth and/or martyred.

No, Rev 7 says only the 144,000 are sealed and protected on earth before the wrath begins. The entire 7th seal is the wrath of God - it includes the trumpets, the beasts, and the bowls. THEN, final destruction/judgment.

Nonetheless, the saints of the land of Revelation 12 are protected during the Great Tribulation from the beast. Also, God moves in the land of Revelation 18 to pour out wrath at the time of the abomination of desolation. It's the Judgment of God come to the land of Revelation 18 in advance of the wrath that occurs globally at the 6th seal.

The great tribulation is over at the 6th seal. Everything following the 6th seal is the wrath of God. The abomination of desolation preceded the great tribulation, not the wrath, according to Jesus.

The Christians of Revelation 18 are separated and protected (even as Lot in relation to Sodom and Gomorrah). God burns the evil followers of the beast on the land of Revelation 18. Then the protected area, a "nation" because it does have boundary lines of protection and is a unified people under the Government of God as a Christian nation under God, rises on the land. They are protected from the Great Tribulation -- which is the 666 beast slaughtering wholesale all Christians. The 666 beast slaughters all Christians who are outside of protection on land "healed by God" in a "nation under God" separated from the world system.

Uh, no...it doesn't say that at all.

There is wrath that is poured out on the land of Revelation 18 in advance of the 6th seal. However, the Christians are not touched by God's wrath being poured out on the land and peoples of Revelation 18:

Revelation 18: 4And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.

Revelation 18 is referring to Mystery Babylon. The beast/anti-christ destroys her, fulfilling Gods will. Mystery Babylon is described in Isaiah 46.

I'd prefer to stay on topic with the land of Revelation 12 and Revelation 18 at this time -- the discussion of the 666 beast rising, and what happens at the midpoint of the 7 year period of the apocalypse when the 666 beast commits the abomination of desolation. We're entering that season, in my view.

I agree with you on a larger view about the Tribulation, it being cut short, the 6th seal opening.

I don't want to segway in this thread, but I will tell you that the 6th seal opening leads up to the 6th vial of wrath, the 6th trumpet, the 6th thunder, everything of the "6's". Then everything stops for a season. The 1000 year reign of Christ begins. The 1000 year reign of Christ ends as Satan is loosed from the abyss. He gathers the army for Armageddon. Then the 7th vial, the 7th trumpet, the 7th everything happens... at Armageddon after the 1000 years. The "7's" are not initiated to end the 7 year apocalypse. 1-6 end the 7 year apocalypse. the "7's" end Armageddon after the 1000 year reign of Christ.

I appreciate that you have insight into the scriptures regarding the 6th seal, etc.

What is critical right now, in my view, is that the 666 beast has risen. We are racing to the abomination of desolation, the fulfillment of Revelation 18 judgment in wrath in burning of fire, and the rising of the peoples of the land of Revelation 12 in the protected area during the Great Tribulation.

Thank you so much for your insights. Also, if there is a different thread where for discussion of the first 6 seals (and other "6's"), and then the "7's", I would be happy to discuss there. I just would sincerely appreciate this thread staying on topic for the matters of the 666 beast rising, abomination of desolation, Revelation 18 burning, Revelation 12 rising in protection during the Great Tribulation. The time of preparation for entrance to the land of Revelation 12 is upon us right now, in my view.

I don't know where you are getting "land of Rev 12" and "land of Rev 18". That's not in my Bible.

 

[justsurfing]

Jesus Christ counsels everyone to be watching for the abomination of desolation to occur. When it happens, if you are not prepared, then you will not escape the Great Tribulation. Also, if you are on the land of the USA that is the land of Revelation 18, you will be burned and annihilated as the land is purged for those who are prepared to arise on the land in protection. They escape the Great Tribulation.

Now, Jesus Christ would not tell us to be PREPARED and READY and WATCHING and KNOWING when the abomination of desolation occurs, if He expected us to be blind, ignorant, incapable of seeing and knowing the abomination of desolation when it occurs:

Matthew 24:15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand 16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:


Jesus instructed Christians to watch, to pray, to KNOW when the SEASON is at hand. We should be able to see CLEARLY when the 666 beast rises, and when therefore the 7 year period of the apocalypse began. Not everyone will be counted worthy to escape the snare that is coming upon the whole earth in the abomination of desolation. Only those who heed the Word, listen to Jesus, watch, pray, and are awake to see and know. Otherwise, they are deluded, sleeping, and caught up in the cares of this world. The day will close upon them like a trap. The won't see it coming.

Luke 21:30When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand. 31So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.
32Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
33Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.
34And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
35For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

The burning will come on one day and in one hour. Those who are not prepared, are not watching, do not the see the trap springing, are not prepared to heed the angel who calls the Christians to separate because they are not spiritually awake and alert and their ears are dull of hearing, will not survive the day if they are on the land of Revelation 18. If there IS a "translation into the land of Revelation 12" even as Philip the eunuch was translated from one place to another on earth, then those who are not awake and attuned to the Spirit will not hear the cry and make the translation into the land of safety. They will not escape the Great Tribulation having missed entrance into the land of protection:

Revelation 18: 4And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.
5For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities.
8Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.
9And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
10Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.



Those who have the temerity to mock me as I warn of the day fast approaching and speak to share what I see and to call the church to watch and pray ~~ you will reap what you sow for GOD is not mocked.


2 Chronicles 36:15And the LORD God of their fathers sent to them by his messengers, rising up betimes, and sending; because he had compassion on his people, and on his dwelling place: 16But they mocked the messengers of God, and despised his words, and misused his prophets, until the wrath of the LORD arose against his people, till there was no remedy.


Galatians 6:7Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.

 

[Chris81]

The midpoint of the apocalypse is not the final return of Jesus Christ. It is the time of the rising of a prophesied nation on earth that will be protected during the Great Tribulation.

If we are awake and know the day that the 666 beast rises initiating the apocalypse, the scripture tells us that 1260 days later he commits the abomination of desolation.

The abomination of desolation is not the coming of the Lord. It's a day "eligible" in scripture to be known so long as people are watching and praying. It's eligible to be revealed by the Holy Spirit through the Word of God in my opinion.

God doesn't want us to be blind and not know who the 666 beast is AS HE RISES ~~ and WHEN the 7 year apocalypse begins AS IT BEGINS.

We can know these things, I believe.

The problem with your interpretation is that you are translating the symbolism of Revelations in the context of current events. You have allowed the events around you to completely twist Johns message in Revelations to the point that it would be completely unrecognizable to a 2nd century christian. You need to understand how biblical symbolism works in order to understand how the prophetic genre of writings were meant to be interpreted. Biblical symbolism is clearly established in the bible and is not left to any arbitrary interpretation for the reader. While there has not been total consensus on how Revelations was meant to be interpreted, theologians have through the centuries interpreted Revelations based on a clearly established tradition going back to the early church and continued into Reformation. Your interpretation is completely outside of the understanding of this tradition. I would recommend reading more about how to interpret Revelations, it may give you greater insights on its teachings.

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Jesus Christ counsels everyone to be watching for the abomination of desolation to occur. When it happens, if you are not prepared, then you will not escape the Great Tribulation. Also, if you are on the land of the USA that is the land of Revelation 18, you will be burned and annihilated as the land is purged for those who are prepared to arise on the land in protection. They escape the Great Tribulation.

Now, Jesus Christ would not tell us to be PREPARED and READY and WATCHING and KNOWING when the abomination of desolation occurs, if He expected us to be blind, ignorant, incapable of seeing and knowing the abomination of desolation when it occurs:

Matthew 24:15When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand 16Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Uh, no...he was counseling those standing before him as he was speaking:

Matt 23:

36Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Matt 24: 34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

The abomination of desolation referred to the desolation of Israel which continues to this day! The Great Tribulation which Jesus said would immediately follow the desolation also continues to this day!
What remains is the cutting short of the tribulation and the beginning of wrath!

 

[justsurfing]

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Originally Posted by justsurfing

At the 5th seal, the saints are told to wait for a season for the wrath of God until all saints who are going to be martyred are martyred:

Revelation 6: 9And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

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No, it doesn't. The martyrs are crying out to be avenged. They want final judgment against those who killed them. They are given white robes and told they have to wait until more martyrs come in BEFORE THEY ARE AVENGED/BEFORE FINAL JUDGMENT COMES.


Jen, it appears you took one part of the scripture, focussed on that so powerfully you missed this: that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

They are told to wait until everyone that is going to be killed as they were killed is killed. Vengeance is wrath. They are waiting for the wrath of God as they cry out to be avenged. I would prefer not to get into this discussion on this thread. This thread is for issues related to the rising of the beast, abomination of desolation and the land of Revelation 18/12. This all happens later.

 

[justsurfing]

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No, Rev 7 says only the 144,000 are sealed and protected on earth before the wrath begins. The entire 7th seal is the wrath of God - it includes the trumpets, the beasts, and the bowls. THEN, final destruction/judgment.

You are missing the saints of Revelation 18. They come out of the land of Revelation 18 and are protected from the plagues of destruction that occur there at the midpoint of the apocalypse.

Revelation 18:4And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

Revelation 12 is showing a people protected by God during the latter half of the apocalypse on land that is protected by God:

Revelation 12:14And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

The great tribulation is over at the 6th seal. Everything following the 6th seal is the wrath of God. The abomination of desolation preceded the great tribulation, not the wrath, according to Jesus.

I don't want to discuss the entire Book of Revelation in this thread. I want to stick to the rise of the 666 beast rising, the abomination of desolation, the land of Revelation 18/12.

Not sure why you are debating me on this point. I agree with you. First the abomination of desolation. Then the great tribulation. Your point about the 5th seal is you not understanding me. The 5th seal is opened during the Great Tribulation. There are more people to be killed. So, God does not yet release wrath. The 6th Seal is opened. Then God releases wrath to end the Great Tribulation ie. the reign of the 666 beast. On these points we agree.

Uh, no...it doesn't say that at all.

Yes it does.

Revelation 18 is referring to Mystery Babylon. The beast/anti-christ destroys her, fulfilling Gods will. Mystery Babylon is described in Isaiah 46.

Agreed that Revelation 18 is Mystery Babylon. It appears you are debating me without having read my blog in which I clearly detail how and why Mystery Babylon has arisen in the land of Revelation 18. If you would like to continue to discuss, I would love to discuss. But, I think it would be better if you would first know my actual position before you try to refute. This is a strawman argument. Here is my blog stating the larger view: Endtime Prophecy ~ Part VI: Jesus Declares War to Protect Christians in the “Rapture” of Revelation 12 | 12 Star Truth

Here is a quote from the blog: ..."The world will have adopted this belief system and spirit. The “Mystery Babylon” will have come into a form of “full manifestation” spiritually in the non-Christians of the world. This all manifests powerfully at the midpoint of the apocalypse when the 666 beast commits the abomination of desolations."

You might learn something if you read the blog. Even if we do not agree, you may see things as things unfold.

I don't know where you are getting "land of Rev 12" and "land of Rev 18". That's not in my Bible.

Revelation 12 and 18 are not in the air somewhere. They are real places on the ground. They are on land. They are in your Bible in Revelation chapter 18 and Revelation chapter 12, on the earth, on land.

 

[justsurfing]

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Uh, no...he was counseling those standing before him as he was speaking:

Matt 23:

36Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not! 38Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.

Matt 24: 34Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

The abomination of desolation referred to the desolation of Israel which continues to this day! The Great Tribulation which Jesus said would immediately follow the desolation also continues to this day!
What remains is the cutting short of the tribulation and the beginning of wrath!

Jen, your position cannot be reconciled with mine. I believe I "see your position". I stated in another thread, yes, there is a form of desolation of Israel that is continuing to this day. Agreed. Yes, in the world we will have trial and tribulation and it continues to this day.

Agreed, the time remains to be seen when the 6th seal is opened ending the great tribulation through wrath.

However, we will not agree that there is no literal anti-christ rising in one world government who will commit a specific abomination of desolation (in addition to things that have already happened culminating in 70AD, etc.)

I'd prefer to agree to disagree. However, if you studied the New World Order and saw what is happening right now, you would see that the one world government is rising in a very orchestrated and planned manner through the global collapse of all currencies. So, even if you don't see it in scripture, it's happening right now and preparing to emerge. It's going to happen "real time". I'll agree to disagree and would prefer not to further debate these points with you.

I don't believe our positions will change without further information. I see your information. I see a different view of scripture. I also see everything lining up to fulfill the scripture as I see the scripture. I will not revert to your position. (If you check out my blog on Sotero as 666 beast -- you will see info about a "New International Order". He is moving forward declaring himself world ruler. I know much more of everything fast-tracked to bring that to rapid manifestation. It's absolutely "on track" to feasibly potentially happen by 7/04/2012.)

I think we need to agree to disagree and wait on the Lord to bring agreement (even if you think I'm wrong and it's me that will have to change).

God bless.

 

[justsurfing]

The problem with your interpretation is that you are translating the symbolism of Revelations in the context of current events.

The scripture states to watch and pray. I've been reading the Bible for 35 years. The prophecy of scripture and real time events in the end are going to correspond. If you do not see scripture in a manner that is manifesting the prophecies as God is bringing them to pass, then you might want to question your comprehension of the scripture. The 666 beast has already arisen. We are less than 2 years, potentially, to the abomination of desolation. I wrote my blogs to call Christians to watch and pray. We are to watch current events.

God didn't write the Bible for only 2nd century Christians. 2nd century Christians would not be given the grace to comprehend the end time scriptures any more than Daniel was. The words are sealed until the time of the end.

Daniel 12:9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.

I would recommend reading more about how to interpret Revelations, it may give you greater insights on its teachings

Stating that I am some form of novice who needs to study a more wise teacher so that I agree with your conclusions is a form of cheap shot. It's mean to degrade me and put me down so that you appear as the wise one who simply has learned from better teachers -- denigrating me. It's a real slur hidden there. Please stick to scripture and refrain from personal insults. I have the Holy Ghost and 35 years of Bible study and prayer. The Holy Ghost is my Teacher. I need no man to teach me.

1 John 2:27But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

You cannot state that there is a better teacher than the Holy Spirit scripturally. All a discussion about pet teachers embodies is an attempt to denigrate one's scriptural positions without having to make a scriptural case. "My dad is bigger than your dad!" is all that point states. Please refrain from such put downs and stick to scripture. No more discussion of "My teacher's better than your teacher" please.

 

[Critias]

I know how upsetting it is when some people come around and mock you. It's happened to me before too, many times.

Just try and ignore it the best that you can and understand that we are all in different phases of spiritual development, if you know what I mean.

Some are a little more mature then others. Mature christians do not mock or belittle others.

Or more bluntly stated, Christians don't mock or belittle others.

 

[Jipsah]

Here are a few of his false prophecies:

The Soviet flag would be flying over America by 1976,
The Rapture would take place in 1981,
The Rapture would take place in 1994,
The Rapture would take place in 2001.
The Rapture would take place in 2007.
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He is now predicting the Rapture will take place in 2012. He will be wrong once more. ​

Date setters are always wrong, and yet that fact never seems to deter them in the least. When their latest date for the return of our Lord, or "The Rapture", whichever they believe in, proves to be just another day, they simply slide the date ahead to some new future date and start the whole mill over again.

Some day the Lord will actually return, in all probability on a date when the setters have assured us that He can't possibly return, and put a stop to the nonsense once and for all. Until then they'll keep finding Signs of the End in every newspaper article, and setting a new date whenever they blow an old one.
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[Critias]

[/I] Date setters are always wrong, and yet that fact never seems to deter them in the least. When their latest date for the return of our Lord, or "The Rapture", whichever they believe in, proves to be just another day, they simply slide the date ahead to some new future date and start the whole mill over again.

Some day the Lord will actually return, in all probability on a date when the setters have assured us that He can't possibly return, and put a stop to the nonsense once and for all. Until then they'll keep finding Signs of the End in every newspaper article, and setting a new date whenever they blow an old one.[/COLOR]
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And with that people will sit and argue about how their understanding is superiors than another's and how so and so is wrong and how they right....

It's a never ending circle, especially in a places such as this one.

The bickering is like mud and we are like pigs. We roll in it, willingly, with smiles on our faces thinking we're oh so righteous.

One thing we should all agree on is that today can be our/your last and we should be living for Christ's glory, not our own, not for our own.

Bickering, mocking, etc. do not glorify Christ, they do not build up His Kingdom but rather help to tear it apart, if it were possible. Such deeds are the work of the devil.

 

[justsurfing]

[/i] Date setters are always wrong, and yet that fact never seems to deter them in the least. When their latest date for the return of our Lord, or "The Rapture", whichever they believe in, proves to be just another day, they simply slide the date ahead to some new future date and start the whole mill over again.

Some day the Lord will actually return, in all probability on a date when the setters have assured us that He can't possibly return, and put a stop to the nonsense once and for all. Until then they'll keep finding Signs of the End in every newspaper article, and setting a new date whenever they blow an old one.[/color]
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The rising of the nation of Revelation 12 is not some "mystery" that cannot be known. Very simply, at the midpoint of the apocalypse, the abomination of desolation occurs. The land represented in Revelation 18 is going to be burned in one hour in one day. Christians are going to be called to come out and enter an area of protection (Rev. 18:4). Those Christians are going to remain alive, protected incredibly by God through an angel coming down in great glory (Rev. 18:1-3). Try just letting the scripture move through you and process them.

Picture it. There is a massive group of people on one specific land and nation. The Christians are separated out by this incredible angel coming down in great glory ~~ all those, at least, who are WATCHING and PREPARED for this event somehow and ATTUNED. Meanwhile, this fire goes across the whole land and burns everyone who is not protected.

What happens?? Just picture the scene. Christians protected who are ready. Others not protected. Result?? Only people left on that land are Christians who were specifically protected by an angel in great glory. Suddenly, you have a "nation" of only Christians who are incredibly anointed of God and separated from the world protected by God.

What's that like?? It's not a "rapture" how people "picture" a "rapture" ~~ but it is the same net effect on earth. They are in a protected area protected by an incredible angel and angelic host for the Great Tribulation.

Now, when does the abomination of desolation occur?? Let's just try to think and process the information the Bible has given us.

The abomination of desolation, the Bible CLEARLY STATES, occurs 1260 days AFTER the apocalypse begins. When does the apocalypse begin?? When a world leader who IS the 666 beast "confirms the covenant with the many". Now, let's just try to think. What happens when you TAKE AN OATH OF OFFICE?? What are you DOING?? You are "confirming a covenant with the many". That's what a swearing in is. You are making a covenant to uphold, protect, and defend the Constitution of the USA. What is the Constitution of the USA?? It's the "charter" of a nation under God to maintain it's biblical order of liberty and freedoms maintaining that nation, basically, under the principles of biblical liberty under God.

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Sincerely, I know "enough" about the rise of Sotero and what is happening in world events right now ~~ because I have been watching and praying ~~ that it's not much of a mystery. The odds are very high that the event that initiates the apocalypse, the 666 beast taking oath of office which equals confirming the covenant with the many as he rises to world political power (in the office of POTUS as "leader of the free world", etc., etc.) occurred on January 21, 2009.

So, honestly, it is not rocket science to know that the abomination of desolation would thereby be "scheduled" by God to occur on July 4, 2012.

It's honestly not hard. People can just set aside all of their fears about "looking" and "knowing" and being "able to see", and just let the Word of God work in a person and "line it up" with what is happening.

What happens when the nation of Revelation rises is NOT the return of the Lord Jesus Christ. It's an area of protection established on earth and it is "like" a rapture event in net effect. We can take the Bible, let it process through, apply it ~~ and it's easy to see.

Then we just "watch and pray" as we wait to see what occurs between now and July 4, 2012. Things should progress and accelerate clearly revealing through the fulfillment of these events that a world government is rising, the people are prepared to call Sotero "God" increasingly.

That's all I am saying. Please review the evidence. Please review the scripture, and watch and pray. The 3 wise men saw the star in the East and knew that Jesus was born King of the Jews. Never imagine that God does not give insight regarding time and events. He told us to watch, pray, and be ready for the abomination of desolations KNOWING how to escape.

I'm just putting a sign marker down on the road with an arrow pointing to Revelation 12.

Let's not be superstitious and fearful and miss the relatively obvious.

 

[justsurfing]

And with that people will sit and argue about how their understanding is superiors than another's and how so and so is wrong and how they right....

It's a never ending circle, especially in a places such as this one.

The bickering is like mud and we are like pigs. We roll in it, willingly, with smiles on our faces thinking we're oh so righteous.

One thing we should all agree on is that today can be our/your last and we should be living for Christ's glory, not our own, not for our own.

Bickering, mocking, etc. do not glorify Christ, they do not build up His Kingdom but rather help to tear it apart, if it were possible. Such deeds are the work of the devil.

Amen. I'm just trying to point out something that at first seems "ethereal" and "beyond our grasp" ~~ and make it simple. We have different parts of the body that see different things . We're to "report back" to the body of Christ what we see.

I'm trying to make it simple and easy so that it "pops up" ~~ is right in front of us, and we can then watch and pray. By being "cued" to "watch and pray" ~~ it just might "get some people prepared" for escaping the Great Tribulation. Maybe someday, who knows... someone might thank me.

God bless you.

 

[justsurfing]

Or more bluntly stated, Christians don't mock or belittle others.

At least Christians when faced with the fact that mocking and belittling others is unChristian could apologize and try to be more considerate. Especially, honestly, when I am sincerely doing the best I can to serve God and the church to share what I see ~~ they could at least say, "I'm sorry".

They could show that God is working in their hearts by erasing offending remarks. And if they don't, what does that show??

 

[Chris81]

The scripture states to watch and pray. I've been reading the Bible for 35 years. The prophecy of scripture and real time events in the end are going to correspond. If you do not see scripture in a manner that is manifesting the prophecies as God is bringing them to pass, then you might want to question your comprehension of the scripture. The 666 beast has already arisen. We are less than 2 years, potentially, to the abomination of desolation. I wrote my blogs to call Christians to watch and pray. We are to watch current events.

Yes, Revelations is as much a relevant a book of scripture now as in anytime in history. Indeed, the text of Revelations is a warning to Christians of events that have already transpired and those to come so that we may sanctify ourselves and prepare for Christ Return. That we are agreed, my point of contention is interpreting Revelations as it was intended rather than being caught up in current events so much that we in error transform Revelations as to meet our own world view.

God didn't write the Bible for only 2nd century Christians. 2nd century Christians would not be given the grace to comprehend the end time scriptures any more than Daniel was. The words are sealed until the time of the end.

John's Revelation is meant for all Christians, for all periods of time, from the day his Revelation was made known to the world, to the day of Christ return. While 2nd century Christians may not have been able to know all the various details of the prophetic message of Revelations, these early Christians would have a good understanding of its true intent. While many people today struggle understanding the symbolism of Revelations, for a Second Century Christian familiar with other genres of prophetic writing, the mean would be clear. It is a matter for Christians today to respect the history of the early church and seek to understand the original intent of Revelations.

Stating that I am some form of novice who needs to study a more wise teacher so that I agree with your conclusions is a form of cheap shot. It's mean to degrade me and put me down so that you appear as the wise one who simply has learned from better teachers -- denigrating me. It's a real slur hidden there. Please stick to scripture and refrain from personal insults. I have the Holy Ghost and 35 years of Bible study and prayer. The Holy Ghost is my Teacher. I need no man to teach me.

I apologize that my comments were denigrating and harmful. I admit that I was a bit prideful and my comment did mean to be critical, but I did not mean it to be an insult. I was never the less wrong and I am sorry.

Hopefully this comes off as more respectful. While I agree that we should study scripture through the guidance of the Holy Spirit it can also be very illuminating to study how Revelations has been interpreted throughout history. The history of the early church, the German and English Reformations, and the unique history of Christianity in America is fascinating. Let us not think that we can not learn from other great theologians such as Augustine and Luther who I believe were guided by the Holy Spirit in their interpretations of Revelations.