The "Rapture" potentially VERY CLOSE!! ~~ A View of Scripture and Current Events.

[LittleLambofJesus]

The "Rapture" potentially VERY CLOSE!! ~~ A View of Scripture and Current Events.



The Rapture Index

Rapture Index 172
Net Change +1

Updated Jul 26, 2010

Rapture Index of 100 and Below: Slow prophetic activity
Rapture Index of 100 to 130: Moderate prophetic activity
Rapture Index of 130 to 160: Heavy prophetic activity
Rapture Index above 160: Fasten your seat belts

 

[HisdaughterJen]

Uh...and by their fruits we will know them... AND look closely at what he said: He didn't say that Jesus is his LORD and SAVIOR, now did he?!!!! He didn't say that he is born again. He said, "MOST IMPORTANTLY, I believe in the example Jesus set by feeding the hungry..." More than Christ's sacrifice/cleansing of sins - the reason Christ came - the most important thing about Jesus is his example in feeding the hungry, according to Obama. No wonder Muslims are allowed to become members of that church he attended for 20 years! His words were chosen very carefully. The devil himself would agree with every statement. Obama is not a born again Christian - Obama never admitted to that. Even the devil believes in Christ.

Beyond that, look at Obama's actions. He lies. He believes abortion is ok, even partial birth abortion. He makes fun of the Scriptures. He steals from those who have in order to give to the poor. And so much more...
Those are not the actions of a man who has received Christ as Lord and Savior or is born of the Spirit. Scriptures say that those who have the Spirit exhibit the fruits of the Spirit and by their fruit, we know them.

 

[justsurfing]

[erasing one of a double-post]

 

[justsurfing]

Good! He doesn't want you to trust him. Seriously. He wants people to do their own homework. So much of what is perceived to be true is not. Apostate churches are just one example. Media "bias" is another.

As for NWO, perhaps you got some erroneous info about Beck. He elucidates clearly the driving forces underpinning world government. NWO is just one characterization of that particular beast.

Perhaps what I enjoy most about the Glenn Beck show is the mocking of political hacks and liars. The irreverence is perhaps most damaging to the political hacks who hold themselves up to be worshipped.

The thing about the Glenn Beck show is that you don't have to trust them. Everything is exposed using "original" sources. For political targets, that means using their own words. A beautiful thing, truth is.

Hi Nighthawke,

Glenn Beck has stated that Global Warming is real and is advancing the New World Order's carbon tax = a "cover" for totalitarianism. UN goal of carbon tax is Govt monitoring and controlling all human activity. Glenn Beck - Current Events & Politics - Glenn Beck: Global warming out, climate change in

Glenn Beck quote, to me, evidences contempt for the Deity of Jesus Christ and God as omnipotent and omnicient: "GLENN: What happens to him every day? He sucks! [most likely referring to Obama?] But how hard is it? I mean, I don't think Jesus could cover for the lies that these people have told. I think you could be blessed and divine and say, "I don't have an answer on that one, I can't... even me, I can't come up with an answer."


Glenn Beck is for the VAT tax (another major NWO agenda item to gain control). Glenn Beck: We need a 2% VAT tax to fix the economy- The Right Scoop

Danger of a VAT Tax (WSJ) Ernest S. Christian and Gary A. Robbins: The Dangers of the Value-Added Tax - WSJ.com

Modern economists in the U.S. take the view that consumers bear only about 50% of the VAT, basically through higher prices and fewer product choices. Because of market forces, the rest of the tax ends up back on the owners and the employees of the companies that produce and sell the goods and services subject to the VAT.
...about 33% of the VAT tax is borne by people in proportion to their relative wage levels, about 17% in proportion to their capital, and about 50% in proportion to their consumption. ..the VAT is predominantly a tax on middle-class and upper-income earners and consumers...
How about a temporary VAT, solely to pay down the federal debt? When was the last time a tax ever went away? Or how about a smaller VAT of only 5%? Obviously, it could quickly grow. Any tax increase big enough to repay much of the huge federal debt would devastate the economy for years to come.
...America and its economy would be radically changed—and not for the better. The first priority in Washington should be to cut spending, not to add a powerful new weapon to the tax arsenal.

Anyone "for" a VAT tax is not conservative. It's pro-big govt; pro-New World Order.

Here's a good article showing Glenn Beck to be the big govt mouthpiece for carbon tax, VAT tax, Patriot Act, banker bailout, and using the army against Constitutionalists & Ron Paul supporters.

Glenn Beck For Dummies

Monday, January 25, 2010
Glenn Beck is being characterized by the establishment as the leader of the freedom movement and yet a closer analysis of his ideology reveals that Beck is nothing more than a fake revolutionary who has supported and is pushing policies that are diametrically opposed to those embraced by true constitutionalists.
Beck and Fox News have hijacked the patriot movement and are leading conservatives and libertarians down a meaningless partisan rabbit hole in a clear attempt to neutralize genuine opposition to the big government agenda of the Obama administration.
It is important to stress that we are not picking a fight with Glenn Beck or Fox News in general as a crude effort to garner attention. Glenn Beck routinely attacks real libertarians, Ron Paul supporters, and those who would define themselves as constitutionalists. We are constantly forced to rebut his smears against people in the freedom movement while Beck claims to be one of us.
Indeed, Judge Andrew Napolitano, who also appears on Fox News, is an example of a real constitutionalist and we are in full agreement with his views.
As the video below illustrates, despite the fact that Beck claims to be “a Libertarian at heart,” he has publicly supported programs and legislation that are universally abhorred by the vast majority of libertarians, such as the banker bailout and the USA Patriot Act.


Beck has also been aggressively pushing for new taxes in order to pay for the bailout that he supported. On December 4, he appeared on fellow neo-con Bill O’Reilly’s show to promote a 2 percent VAT tax to be adopted that would go directly to pay down the national debt.
While lending support to the Tea Party movement out of one side of his mouth, out of the other Beck is promoting the exact thing they are protesting against – more taxes.
Beck is not a real libertarian, he is a performing circus act who is being positioned as a clown to discredit issues that the genuine freedom movement embraces, such as exposing the fact that man-made global warming is a fraud.
Certainly, on several issues Beck jives with populist sentiment, but on all the major fronts – war, the patriot act, warrantless spying, the bailout, and new taxes, he is nothing more than a shill for big government.
Beck’s agenda is to put out a dual message – to discredit and polarize the conservative movement to the benefit of the two party monopoly. His bizarre and clownish antics of fake crying, which were proven to be staged when Beck replicated them on demand for a GQ photo shoot, are doing nothing but reinforcing the stereotype that the freedom movement is extreme and unbalanced.


Beck’s entire 9/12 project has nothing to do with uniting America and everything to do with reinforcing neo-conservative rhetoric about how we should relinquish our rights and accept the police state because terrorists want to attack us and Saddam Hussein had WMD’s and yellowcake.
During his Monday September 22 2008 TV broadcast, Beck expressed his vehement support for the bailout, stating, “The $700 billion dollars that you’re hearing about now is not only I believe necessary, it is also not nearly enough.” However, as soon as Bush left office and Obama picked up the baton and continued the same financial policy, he changed his tune and routinely attacked the bailout as an example of how socialism was taking over America.
The bailout was bad news for America under Bush just as it is under Obama, both were merely performing a transfer of wealth from America to offshore banks and giving the Federal Reserve total dictatorial control over the economy, but Beck only opposed it when Bush was out of office, proving that his opinions are not wedded to right or wrong, but to which puppet is in the White House.
A host of mainline conservative talking heads opposed the banker bailout, as did the majority of the American people, but Beck went on television and publicly supported it. This is irreconcilable with Beck being “a libertarian at heart” as he claims.
In addition, Beck aggressively attacked Ron Paul and his supporters during the election campaign when it looked like the Texan Congressman might have a real chance of winning the nomination. Beck implied that Ron Paul supporters were domestic terrorists and should be dealt with by the U.S. Army, but later tried to side with Ron Paul supporters when the infamous and discredited MIAC report echoed his own talking point that people who support Ron Paul were dangerous.


The smear came during a November 2007 show when Beck was on CNN. Alongside ex-Marxist David Horowitz, Beck demonized Ron Paul supporters, libertarians and the anti-war left as terrorist sympathizers and inferred that the U.S. military should be used to silence them, parroting a talking point that traces back to a September 2006 White House directive. When asked about the issue, Ron Paul dismissed Beck as “pretty discourteous” and a “demagogue”.
Beck has also worked with government propagandists Popular Mechanics in an effort to “debunk” the existence of internment camps in America. Beck’s hit piece consisted of setting up a straw man argument while ignoring the manifestly provable evidence that such facilities exist and that they are admittedly being prepared to house citizens during times of civil unrest.
Beck has ceaselessly attacked 9/11 truthers as dangerous extremists, echoing precisely talking points put out by Obama information czar Cass Sunstein. Just last week Beck said on his nationally syndicated radio show that there are 9/11 truth activists in the White House and they threaten the life of Obama. The fact that Beck is repeating White House talking points to demonize political adversaries of the administration proves that his image as an anti-establishment guru is a manufactured fraud.
Beck has been a vehement cheerleader for the wars of aggression launched since 9/11 and in addition called for Iran to be attacked, claiming that President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is preparing a “second holocaust.” Once again, these political opinions stand completely contrary to libertarian principles, which follow the founding fathers’ view that an expansionist aggressive foreign policy is bad for America.
Beck has attacked Obama for unraveling the Bush war machine, when in fact Obama has done everything in his power to expand Bush’s wars, beefing the campaigns in Afghanistan and Pakistan while removing a token amount of troops from Iraq and replacing them with an even greater number of contractors.
By attacking Obama for being different to Bush, when in reality he offers no change whatsoever, Beck keeps people locked in the left-right paradigm and ensures that instead of coming to the realization that the whole system is rigged, they will merely vote in another puppet for the new world order in 2012.
Beck is the perfect example of controlled opposition, he is there to co-opt and ensure the Tea Parties are under control and that they never focus on taking on the real power behind the American economy – the Federal Reserve.
Glenn Beck is a fake revolutionary whose job it is to lead conservatives and libertarians away from uniting behind the real issues, while absorbing the successes of the patriot movement and in turn discrediting it by way of his clownish antics and easily derided mannerisms. He is part of a wider approach on behalf of Fox News to become a beacon for freedom movement and then act as a steam valve for its issues, deluding people into thinking their interests are being represented when in reality they are merely being sucked up and spewed out as something entirely misrepresentative.
It is vital that we alert the freedom movement to the fact that Beck is a wolf in sheep’s clothing....


YouTube - Glenn Beck is a Neocon (Not Conservative, Not Libertarian)


YouTube - glen beck says ,ron paul supporters are terrorists


YouTube - Alex Jones Tv:Glenn Beck"Be On The Right-Side Of History!"


Glenn Beck attacked Debra Medina as a Tea Party candidate to unseat standing NWO UN Bilderberger Rick Perry. Perry is advancing NWO objectives. Debra Medina is a Tea Party Christian Baptist homeschool mom who threatened the "good ole boy network". I see how Glenn Beck used his listener base to smear her.


Again, he sometimes has very good shows. I take the shows for their content and will not trust him.
Here Glenn Beck says he could french kiss Rick Perry while his co-host says Rick looks good in his jeans.
YouTube - Glenn Beck is GAY!


I personally don't believe Glenn Beck stands for truth rather than $$ and power -- fame and fortune. Also, I believe love is blind. I think we need to remain skeptical of Glenn Beck with eyes wide open and to not go in the tank for him. Many false prophets have arisen in the MSM.


As far as Glenn Beck being a prophet, I would find him to be a false one, personally, based on the evidence I"ve seen all in all. But I have no opinion at this time I'll state on who the two prophets/witnesses of Revelation 11 are.


Sorry I cannot agree on Glenn Beck -- and may God aid us all in our search for truth.

 

[justsurfing]

The "Rapture" potentially VERY CLOSE!! ~~ A View of Scripture and Current Events.



The Rapture Index

Rapture Index 172
Net Change +1

Updated Jul 26, 2010

Rapture Index of 100 and Below: Slow prophetic activity
Rapture Index of 100 to 130: Moderate prophetic activity
Rapture Index of 130 to 160: Heavy prophetic activity
Rapture Index above 160: Fasten your seat belts

LOL LLOJ. I'm not sure what "172" means... but I am laughing at the good humor. Thanks for brightening my day. I'm looking for it to hit "1260". Most likely date for "lift off" based on current evidence: July 4, 2012. We shall see, We will know not by the "date" but rather the events on the date:

1. 666 beast declares himself to be God
2. 666 beast declares war on all saints
3. Angel of Revelation 18 comes down
4. Christians set apart and protected by the Glory of God
5. Burning of the land mass of Revelation 18 (= Revelation 12) occurs in one hour.
6. "Raptured" (protected in the covering of God in His Presence in Glory per Psalm 91) Christians only ones left standing.
7. Satan purged from the lands, Christians arising in the Presence and Power of God -- land "healed" and most likely "hidden" from the world fulfilling Revelation 12 scriptures related thereto.

Appears to me at this time it all happens on the same "date". So, we can pray and watch and see how events unfold.

God bless and thanks for the smiles.

 

[justsurfing]

Prophecy from David Wilkerson. I believe David Wilkerson may possibly be seeing through scripture, but not 100% clearly, the burning of Revelation 18 on the USA and the protection of the saints in the Glory of God resulting in their safety as this calamity occurs. Now, I cannot say for certain that is what David Wilkerson is seeing, but he has other prophecies on the Judgment of God coming to the USA and saints who are under the Lordship of Christ being protected from the fires. So, while I certainly cannot speak for David Wilkerson, I am saying that I personally see an agreement with what I see coming in scripture, events, and personally bear witness to, I believe, in my spirit:

AN URGENT MESSAGE


I am compelled by the Holy Spirit to send out an urgent message to all on our mailing list, and to friends and to bishops we have met all over the world.

AN EARTH-SHATTERING CALAMITY IS ABOUT TO HAPPEN. IT IS GOING TO BE SO FRIGHTENING, WE ARE ALL GOING TO TREMBLE - EVEN THE GODLIEST AMONG US.

For ten years I have been warning about a thousand fires coming to New York City. It will engulf the whole megaplex, including areas of New Jersey and Connecticut. Major cities all across America will experience riots and blazing fires—such as we saw in Watts, Los Angeles, years ago.

There will be riots and fires in cities worldwide. There will be looting—including Times Square, New York City. What we are experiencing now is not a recession, not even a depression. We are under God’s wrath. In Psalm 11 it is written,

“If the foundations are destroyed, what can the righteous do?” (v. 3).

God is judging the raging sins of America and the nations. He is destroying the secular foundations.

The prophet Jeremiah pleaded with wicked Israel, “God is fashioning a calamity against you and devising a plan against you. Oh, turn back each of you from your evil way, and reform your ways and deeds. But they will say, It’s hopeless! For we are going to follow our own plans, and each of us will act according to the stubbornness of his evil heart” (Jeremiah 18:11-12).

In Psalm 11:6, David warns, “Upon the wicked he will rain snares (coals of fire)…fire…burning wind…will be the portion of their cup.” Why? David answered, “Because the Lord is righteous” (v. 7). This is a righteous judgment—just as in the judgments of Sodom and in Noah’s generation.

WHAT SHALL THE RIGHTEOUS DO? WHAT ABOUT GOD’S PEOPLE?

First, I give you a practical word I received for my own direction. If possible lay in store a thirty-day supply of non-perishable food, toiletries and other essentials. In major cities, grocery stores are emptied in an hour at the sign of an impending disaster.

As for our spiritual reaction, we have but two options. This is outlined in Psalm 11. We “flee like a bird to a mountain.” Or, as David says, “He fixed his eyes on the Lord on his throne in heaven—his eyes beholding, his eyelids testing the sons of men” (v. 4). “In the Lord I take refuge” (v. 1).

I will say to my soul: No need to run...no need to hide. This is God’s righteous work. I will behold our Lord on his throne, with his eye of tender, loving kindness watching over every step I take—trusting that he will deliver his people even through floods, fires, calamities, tests, trials of all kinds.

Note: I do not know when these things will come to pass, but I know it is not far off. I have unburdened my soul to you. Do with the message as you choose.

God bless and keep you,

In Christ,

DAVID WILKERSON

 

[justsurfing]

{erase double post - sorry, the forum appears acting like a post didn't go through and is double posting)

 

[justsurfing]

Interview with President Barack Obama, Christianity Today, January 2008:

"You've talked about your experience walking down the aisle at Trinity United Church of Christ, and kneeling beneath the cross, having your sins redeemed, and submitting to God's will. Would you describe that as a conversion? Do you consider yourself born again?


I am a Christian, and I am a devout Christian. I believe in the redemptive death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. I believe that that faith gives me a path to be cleansed of sin and have eternal life. But most importantly, I believe in the example that Jesus set by feeding the hungry and healing the sick and always prioritizing the least of these over the powerful. I didn't 'fall out in church' as they say, but there was a very strong awakening in me of the importance of these issues in my life. I didn't want to walk alone on this journey. Accepting Jesus Christ in my life has been a powerful guide for my conduct and my values and my ideals."
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This single statement should be enough to send this entire thread and the original poster off into well-deserved oblivion.

There are many responses to this assertion. Other posters have already given sound biblical response. There is much that could be said about Barry Sotero (aka Barack Hussein Obama). But first, let's take a look at his view of "salvation". From American Thinker:

[FONT=times new roman,times]Our Collective Salvation[/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times]When Barack Obama spoke to the graduates of Wesleyan College last week, taking the place of ailing Senator Edward Kennedy, he gave a commencement address not unlike those anywhere. I, like others, read the [/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]transcript[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times].[/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times]And here are the words that gave me a shudder:[/FONT]

[FONT=times new roman,times]It's because you have an obligation to yourself. Because our individual salvation depends on collective salvation. Because thinking only about yourself, fulfilling your immediate wants and needs, betrays a poverty of ambition. (emphasis mine)[/FONT]
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[FONT=times new roman,times]"Collective salvation" is an idea that comes from Marxism, Liberation Theology in particular, and is absolutely antithetical to traditional Christianity. When it comes to facing God on one's own judgment day, there is no hiding in groups, no "collective" anything. [/FONT]
[FONT=times new roman,times]The idea of "collective salvation" or "[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]collective redemption[/FONT][FONT=times new roman,times]" is pure Marxism; there is nothing whatsoever Christian about it.[/FONT]

I believe anyone who wants to examine the "theology" of Barack Hussein Obama as related to his "Christianity" could find a good basis of critical examination in the article above in it's entirety.

As another poster noted, Barack Hussein Obama never stated he was born-again. The key issue of Christian faith is faith in the Deity of Christ. Islam accepts Jesus Christ as a prophet, but not as God for example. What is Barack Hussein Obama's answer to the question of Jesus to the disciples, "Who do you say that I am??" Jesus said, "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man comes to the Father but through Me." Does Barack Hussein Obama believe in the Deity of Jesus Christ and that Jesus Christ is, thereby, not "just another prophet" but rather the only Way to Heaven -- the only Way to God -- the only Way of Salvation??

Obama Suggests Jesus Christ Not the Only Way to Heaven

Democratic presidential contender Barack Obama suggested Wednesday that Jesus Christ is not the only way to heaven during a campaign event in North Carolina.

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(Photo: AP Images / Alex Brandon) Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama D-Ill., speaks at a town hall meeting in Greensboro, N.C., Wednesday, March

While answering a question about his Christian faith, Obama said he believes that Jesus Christ died for his sins and through God’s grace and mercy he could have “everlasting life,” according to the Los Angeles Times.
But he also believes Jews and Muslims and non-believers who live moral lives are as much “children of God” as he is, according to The Associated Press.
As an example, he spoke about his late mother who was “not a believer.”
"he was the kindest, most decent, generous person that I have ever known," Obama said, according to the Times. "I'm sure she is in heaven, even though she may not have subscribed to everything that I subscribe to."
Obama’s response came amid the recent controversy surrounding his former Chicago pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who made inflammatory remarks about race and America in sermons he delivered many years ago.
The Illinois senator, who has made religion a cornerstone of his campaign, has denounced the comments – which included “God damn America” for its racism – but refuses to distance himself from the pastor, whom he compares to an uncle.
During his response on Wednesday, Obama praised his church, Trinity United Church of Christ, especially its choir, and said it was very warm and welcoming and is like any other church in America in that it exists to praise God.
Obama also said he believes in putting the Gospel to action here on Earth and treating people with “dignity” and “respect” as children of God, according to the Los Angeles Times.

Another report on the same speech providing original audio clip:

Obama contends belief in Jesus Christ not necessary for salvation
GREENSBORO, N.C. - Senator Barack Obama has told an audience that although he believes Christ died for his sins, those who reject that teaching can also be children of God.

During a campaign stop yesterday in Greensboro, North Carolina, Senator Obama told the audience that he believes he "can have everlasting life" because Jesus Christ died for his sins. But he then told a questioner that he believes Jews and Muslims who live moral lives are just as much "children of God" as he is. (listen to audio clip)

The Illinois Democrat added that his late mother didn't share his faith but was a kind and generous person, so he's "sure she's in heaven." (listen to audio clip)
In his life and in his politics, Obama said he asks himself, "How can I apply Jesus's teachings in a very concrete way?"
Obama's religious beliefs have been put in the spotlight over recent revelations about his former pastor. Videotapes of some of Pastor Jeremiah Wright's sermons have been described as being racist and anti-America.
Yesterday, the frontrunner for the Democratic nomination for president referred to those sermon remarks as being "stupid," but he continues to reject suggestions that he should have left the church because of that kind of preaching from his pastor.

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There is much I could say regarding the evidence of his active practice of Muslim religion which is antithetical to Christian faith as much as the anti-christ is antithetical to Jesus Christ. Many sound points could be made from many avenues of examination of the doctrine and life of Barack Hussein Obama. Doctrinally, on the basis of his denial of the essentials of salvation -- that Jesus Christ is the only Way of salvation -- the only Way to God the Father -- and that all who reject Jesus Christ are condemned by their own sin to hell, I must refute any suggestion that Barack Hussein Obama is a born-again Christian. He is an apostate. He is a reprobate. More than that, Barack Hussein Obama (aka Barry Sotero) is the 666 beast.

It is not I who has descended into well-deserved oblivion. This accusation of me and this slander is not of God.
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[justsurfing]

The bigger the government, the smaller the citizen. -Dennis Prager

Well-stated.

 

[the.Sheepdog]

The rapture is not a date driven event. It is driven by the "Fullness of the Gentiles" coming in. In other words when the number of souls is saved that God is looking for, that instant the rapture will happen.

Some have said that the rapture will probably happen either as the Ezekial 38 war starts or while it is being fought. The Psalms 83 war is close and will probably happen in retribution for Israel attacking Iran's nuke facilities. In any case Most military strategists and even Stratfor look for this attack to take place before the end of the year if not sooner. Look for Damascus to get nuked by Israel.

The big wonder in my mind is how long between the psalms war and the Ezekiiel war. It has to be long enough for Israel to feel safe and at peace as they need to take down all their fences and walls before the second war starts.

2 or 3 years? Thats a long time to wait!

 

[justsurfing]

The rapture is not a date driven event. It is driven by the "Fullness of the Gentiles" coming in. In other words when the number of souls is saved that God is looking for, that instant the rapture will happen.

Some have said that the rapture will probably happen either as the Ezekial 38 war starts or while it is being fought. The Psalms 83 war is close and will probably happen in retribution for Israel attacking Iran's nuke facilities. In any case Most military strategists and even Stratfor look for this attack to take place before the end of the year if not sooner. Look for Damascus to get nuked by Israel.

The big wonder in my mind is how long between the psalms war and the Ezekiiel war. It has to be long enough for Israel to feel safe and at peace as they need to take down all their fences and walls before the second war starts.

2 or 3 years? Thats a long time to wait!

The rapture of Revelation 18/Revelation 12 (which I've detailed is a Christian nation rising after the evil is burned) happens at the abomination of desolation.

The date of the abomination of desolation given by the Bible is 1260 days after the 666 beast rises to a position of power through "confirming the covenant with the many". January 21, 2009 BHO took oath of office potentially constituting/fulfilling same. This battle fought by God, if 1260 days from that date, would be July 4, 2012. The "date" of the "confirming the covenant with the many" is not given in scripture. However, it can be noticed in retrospect when/after it happens.

The date of January 21, 2009 has been noted as most likely initiating the 7 year apocalyptic period. July 4, 2012 is 1260 days later as date of all event.

The "fullness of the time of the Gentiles" I could "get into". There are multiple "levels" of that "happening". The "fullness of the time of the Gentiles", at one level, will occur when Jesus annihilates the entire 666 beast system at the marriage supper of the Lamb. That is when the saints will be resurrected who were martyred to begin the 1000 year reign of Christ. Also, the nation of Israel is resurrected to the Middle East in accordance with Ezekiel 37 and other scriptures. The promise to Jacob is thus kept for the 1000 years even as Christians live in a separate area for the 1000 years.

Yet, another "fullness of the Gentiles" occurs at Final Armageddon after the 1000 years. That is when all of Israel that has been resurrected at the beginning of the 1000 year reign of Christ sees Jesus in the skies and all come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. (People confuse Armageddon at the end of the 1000 years with the marriage supper of the Lamb at the end of the 7 year period of the apocalypse.)

Now, regarding a "war". Most likely on July 4, 2012 (the date 1260 days from the most likely date of the 666 beast "confirming the covenant with the many), God Himself fights the war for the Christians of the USA to raise up a new covenant "Zion" (which is very simply a spiritually mature and separated Christian nation seen in Revelation 12).

Some of what people believe prophetically is God fighting for "Israel" is really God fighting for the Christians of Revelation 12 to establish their "Zion" on earth. This is what people think of as the "rapture".

Other battles that will occur are the final Armageddon at the end of the 1000 years annihilating all of Satan's forces and the marriage supper of the Lamb at the end of the 7 year period destroying all of the 666 beast's forces and kingdom.

Regarding a view that the full number of people who will be saved will come in before the rapture -- there is a scriptural case for that. The scripture says that the 666 beast will not rise to commit the abomination of desolation until such time as the rebels have become completely wicked. Therefore, the great falling away occurs before the beast declares himself to be God setting in motion this entire chain of events resulting in "rapture" (and establishment of the nation of Revelation 12).

All of the people of this world who are reprobate and will follow the 666 beast when he declares himself to be God will be in a state of total blasphemy. This, you are right, initiates the spiritual "domino effect" that results in rapture of the saints of Revelation 18/12:

1. Reprobate blaspheme the Spirit
2. 666 beast declares himself to be God
3. 666 beast declares war on the saints (and the reprobates who have blasphemed the Spirit already do agree with him in spirit in commitment to genocide of all Christians).
4. Angel of Revelation 18 comes down in great glory.
5. Christians who hear the angel are protected in the Presence of God's Glory (Psalm 91)
6. Fire of Revelation 18 goes forth burning all those on the land (USA) who are not protected by God's Presence in Psalm 91 protection.
7. Christians are the only ones "left standing" on the land of the USA
8. This constitutes the nation of Revelation 12 rising.
etc.

The abomination of desolation will not occur until first all the reprobate who will take the mark of the 666 beast have already blasphemed the Holy Spirit. This is the Great Falling away.

In principle, I agree with the principle you state as does the Word of God.

Here's a blog I did on my view of the Great Falling Away preceding the 666 beast committing the abomination of desolation: Endtime Prophecy ~ Part V: The Great Falling Away | 12 Star Truth

Interesting points about the Psalm 83 and Ezekiel 38 war. Please feel free to share more of your thoughts on those wars. I would like to hear them.

Also, please hear what I say about the angelic host in Revelation 12 fighting the war for the revolution of the USA on July 4, 2012 that constitutes a form of "rapture". Do you see any parallels between your vision of a war of Ezekiel 38, etc?? (It doesn't have to be "the same" -- just parallel because the war of Ezekiel 38 may be Final Armageddon. However, other wars will parallel that war prior to that war in bible prophecy.)

 

[Lisa*Lisa]

I think the most important thing here is for us to focus on being faithful to the end. If the end comes via a rapture, or via the final battle and the glorious appearing, the only thing that really matters is that we are found faithful and true when the time comes.

Whatever Jesus's plan is, it's perfect in every way.

 

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[justsurfing]

Rev. 18 is for Babylon - the Babylon that made the nations drink. The nations drank back in the days of Jeremiah/ Go look up Jer. 25:15 and then see what king will drink last.

The man of sin will come from Iraq.

Look at the way Daniel 9 begins as to soon refers to a "he"...then see why Gabriel came to Daniel - and the "he' is then again found in verse 27.

Read Jeremiah 25:11-12 about how the Babylonian kings get 70 years before they take their final fall.

Hi. Babylon is the spirit of the devil and rebellion against God. "Jerusalem" is the city of God and is spiritual. It's the spirit that matters, not physical location literally. "Babylon" is the city of the devil from below. Reflects reprobation and rejection by God as well. I think you are seeing physical locations physically in the natural rather than spiritually -- and that's why it's not coming alive that he doesn't need to be from "Iraq". He merely needs to be full of the spirit of the devil and arise as POTUS, in my view. Grace.

Galatians 4:25-26 (King James Version)


25For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
26But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

 

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If you want to see when the rapture is - look at when the two witnesses rise in Rev. 11 - and it is the same hour as a great earthquake (the third woe=7th trumpet).

See Rev. 19 when the saints are like Him.

The events of Revelation 18 and 12 are a form of "rapture". This occurs at the midpoint of the apocalypse at the time of the abomination of desolation. God's people who are prepared are protected in Revelation 18, then wrath is released to destroy followers of the beast. The Christian believer of Revelation 12 arise as a separated nation fully protected throughout the Great Tribulation.

I agree with you that a separate "gathering" occurs at the time of the earthquake when the two witnesses rise in Revelation 11. (I would not agree that it is the 7th trumpet. Rather, I see it as the earthquake of the 6th seal:

Revelation 6:12 (King James Version)


12And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;


Let's recall, at the 5th seal the martyred saints were told to wait for God's vengeance to be poured out on the beast system until all who would be killed as they were had been killed. The two witnesses are the "last to be killed". Thus, the 6th seal is opened at their martyrdoms.



Revelation 6:9-11 (King James Version)


9And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.



The 7th woe occurs after the end of the 1000 years at Final Armageddon. That great earthquake that occurs when Jesus lands His foot upon Mount Olive. This is the coming of the Lord which no man knows the day nor hour:


Zechariah 14:3-8 (King James Version)


3Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
4And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
6And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:
7But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
8And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.


The earth will be shaken with such forth the earth will split in two and be utterly broken down and dissolved.

Isaiah 24:
18And it shall come to pass, that he who fleeth from the noise of the fear shall fall into the pit; and he that cometh up out of the midst of the pit shall be taken in the snare: for the windows from on high are open, and the foundations of the earth do shake.
19The earth is utterly broken down, the earth is clean dissolved, the earth is moved exceedingly.
20The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again.



2 Peter 3:10 (King James Version)


10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.


I know people have ideas that are just fixed in their minds. However, the first earth exists throughout the 1000 year reign of Christ following the 7 year period of the apocalypse. Jesus Christ does not return to appear in the first Heaven or land on earth to end the Great Tribulation. Rather, He appears at the mid-Heaven. The 6th seal was opened, not the 7th. The earthquake was from the opening of the 6th seal, not anything to do with the final "7's".


The earth will melt with fervent heat at the return of the Lord at the final earthquake.

 

[justsurfing]

When you are figuring the number of the beast - consider that is it the number of his name - and it is a name of blasphemy.
7 kings have the same name but different numbers

So then go to Daniel 5 and see what happened when Belszhazzar went through something for God to reveal that wicked king's number.

What happened? the king was weighed for the sin against God's holy things

Amen.