The Rapture IS NOT literal.

[sculleywr]

Correct. And neither does the Nicene Creed, adopted by many western Churches, mention a rapture. The Church fathers realized that a "rapture" is a figment of Paul's imagination.

Nicene Creed doesn't have a Chiliastic teaching either, confronting it with the teaching that His Kingdom will have no end.

 

[sculleywr]

Wow!

Jesus indicated there was (Mt 24:38-41).

So the word of God in Mt and 1Th is not true!

Wow!

In the faith,
Claare

No, the words are misinterpreted to contradict the original understanding. Who will make disciples if there are no disciplers?

 

[sculleywr]

Hi, Joey,

Also, my name is Vasily. Joey is my brother, passed away since 1992.

 

[interpreter]

Wow!

Jesus indicated there was (Mt 24:38-41).

Lol. As in the days of Noah and Lot, the bad guys are taken, and the good guys are left.

So the word of God in Mt and 1Th is not true!

Wow!

In the faith,
Claare

Only the words of Paul are not true.

 

[sculleywr]

Lol. As in the days of Noah and Lot, the bad guys are taken, and the good guys are left.

Only the words of Paul are not true.

Wait, so the Church will be left behind and the evil ones will be taken in rapture? lol jk

 

[Clare73]

There are only ''two houses'' of the New Covenant, (Jeremiah 31 quoted in Hebrews 8) and they are the House of Judah and the lost sheep of the House of Israel which went into captivity to Assyria and Elam in 722BC some three quarters of a millennium, (750 years) before Yeshua stated the following words:

All the promises to the seed of Abraham (houses of Israel and Judah) are made to those in Christ, who are the seed of Abraham (Gal 3:29).

John 10:14-16 KJV

14. I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
15. As the Father knoweth me, even so I know the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.
16. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

So believing Jews and believing Gentiles are the one body of Christ.

Mark 12:29 KJV

29. And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:

Matthew 15:24 KJV
24. But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

And Jesus did not preach to the Gentiles.

He commissioned the apostles to do that (Mt 28:18-20).

In the faith,
Clare

 

[Clare73]

The Rapture is not plain in I Thessalonians,

Please explain what these words mean:

"the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, and the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air." (1Th 4:16-17)

This is at the end of time, at the final resurrection.

You are confusing the wrong doctrine of the time of the rapture, with the Biblical teaching of the rapture itself, which occurs at the end of time.

In the faith,
Clare

 

[Clare73]

No, the words are misinterpreted to contradict the original understanding. Who will make disciples if there are no disciplers?

It's the end of the world. It's over.

In the faith,
Clare

 

[Clare73]

Also, my name is Vasily. Joey is my brother, passed away since 1992.

I'm sorry, I didn't give that a close look and just assumed it was your son.

Please forgive me.

In the faith,
Clare

 

[Clare73]

Lol. As in the days of Noah and Lot, the bad guys are taken, and the good guys are left.

Only the words of Paul are not true.

All Scripture is God-breathed" (2Ti 3:16), from the breath of God, who is the Holy Spirit.

So the Bible is inspired in spots, and you're inspired to spot the spots?

In the faith,
Clare

 

[hybrid]

i don't know if rapture will literally happen in the future, but being born again can be interpreted as a kind of rapture discussed in the OP, . . a sudden transformation of the state of mind. but i would rather call this a heart transformation, a sudden grasp of the true state of our being, the divine nature in us so to speak.

 

[sculleywr]

Please explain what these words mean:

"the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, and the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air." (1Th 4:16-17)

This is at the end of time, at the final resurrection.

You are confusing the wrong doctrine of the time of the rapture, with the Biblical teaching of the rapture itself, which occurs at the end of time.

In the faith,
Clare

Resurrection and rapture are two different doctrines. Rapture theology, at least as far as I was taught in my raising in the Baptist teachings, is the taking up of everyone in the air prior to the tribulation.

 

[Senecharnix]

Resurrection and rapture are two different doctrines. Rapture theology, at least as far as I was taught in my raising in the Baptist teachings, is the taking up of everyone in the air prior to the tribulation.

Raptue theology is a fantasy. Those who indulge in its wishful thinking do so in vain....

 

[Clare73]

Resurrection and rapture are two different doctrines. Rapture theology, at least as far as I was taught in my raising in the Baptist teachings, is the taking up of everyone in the air prior to the tribulation.

Your Sunday School presented an unBiblical understanding of the time of the rapture.

That doesn't negate the rapture itself at the end of time.

In the faith,
Clare

 

[Clare73]

Raptue theology is a fantasy. Those who indulge in its wishful thinking do so in vain....

I suspect you likewise are lumping the unBiblical understanding of the time of the rapture with the Biblical rapture itself.

The Biblical rapture (1Th 4:16-17) is at the end of time.

In the faith,
Clare

 

[sculleywr]

Raptue theology is a fantasy. Those who indulge in its wishful thinking do so in vain....

I am Orthodox, like I said earlier, we do not accept Rapture Theology as presented in sources similar to the Left Behind.

 

[hybrid]

I suspect you likewise are lumping the unBiblical understanding of the time of the rapture with the Biblical rapture itself.

The Biblical rapture is at the end of time.

In the faith,
Clare

then maybe you should explain what do you mean by "END of TIME"?
is it literal or metaphorical?

 

[Phantasman]

Please explain what these words mean:

"the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, and the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air." (1Th 4:16-17)

This is at the end of time, at the final resurrection.

You are confusing the wrong doctrine of the time of the rapture, with the Biblical teaching of the rapture itself, which occurs at the end of time.

In the faith,
Clare

At the time these words were written, no one knew what was in the clouds. Do you think Heaven is in the clouds? In outer space? Does Jesus come down from anywhere, and if he did, who would be the lucky Nation to witness it?

Gospel of Thomas
(113) His disciples said to him, "When will the kingdom come?"
<Jesus said,> "It will not come by waiting for it. It will not be a matter of saying 'here it is' or 'there it is.' Rather, the kingdom of the father is spread out upon the earth, and men do not see it."

Heaven is within us and all around us. We see (it) through a glass darkly, yet face to face. Spirit exists as matter exists. It is why our spirit is subjected to spiritual things.........like sin. The Holy Spirit, angel, demons, Jesus himself is spirit. We are flesh. There is not up/down. In/out. We are spirit/soul living in matter body. Jesus was the same and reanimated body. Spirit control all matter. We only control our matter, but with enough faith could control all matter (move mountains).

All matter will die. Spirit isn't matter and will live eternal. Except God is the only one who can destroy spirit because he created it.

 

[hybrid]

All matter will die. Spirit isn't matter and will live eternal. Except God is the only one who can destroy spirit because he created it.

i cant help but noticed you make distinction between the word spirit with a capital S (Spirit) and a small s (spirit). what's the difference?

 

[Phantasman]

i cant help but noticed you make distinction between the word spirit with a capital S (Spirit) and a small s (spirit). what's the difference?

Proper grammar, starting the sentence with a capital.