The question cessationists must answer.

[W2L]

Writings have been elevated to the status of scripture for deluded concepts. Scripture ended with the OT. It is writings and the Holy Spirit now.

You are saying Jesus words are not scripture?

 

[Righttruth]

You are saying Jesus words are not scripture?

One can say Jesus' words are God's words.

 

[Dave L]

Here we go again, the man who always "sticks to scripture", how false that claim is.

There is no scripture that calls Ananias an apostle, just religious tradition from some quarters.

And to claim that he was an eye witness is again just making stuff up on the hoof to cover your nakedness.

Your reply makes no sense or connection to my post?

If this is the post you refer to, I already answered it showing that Paul and Ananias were witnesses to the risen Christ, necessary for apostleship, and history also says Ananias was one of the seventy with Christ from the beginning.

 

[Billy Evmur]

Why then did the apostle paul learn to be content when hungry and naked? Didnt God prosper him?

For the same reason that Christ who was rich for our sakes became poor to make us rich 2.Cor.8.9 this is not a glib response, for that is exactly what Jesus did and what Paul did.

Paul complains that he and Barnabas alone seem to be the only ones who have to suffer hunger and nakedness, shipwreck....why couldn't he be like Peter and the other apostles who led his wife around with him? you know what wives are like.....

Peter and the others worked among folk who were brethren, they knew how to give and support the work of God, and they did. Paul's work was among the heathen Gentiles and until the assemblies were set up and running he could expect to be holpen with little help. Once those assemblies WERE set up Paul was helped again and again.

...no that Paul looked to their gifts but he looked for their increase, the blessing those Phillipians would surely receive from God. It was Paul said a partnership of giving and receiving.

The church nowadays advocates a partnership of GIVE, GIVE, GIVE...and don't expect anything back.

But poor folks can't afford that. They CAN afford the bible way. In fact they can't afford not to.

Get with it brother, this is God's answer to poverty.

And the Corinthians DID become rich, Paul says "You are not poor ye have become like kings and I wish that ye did in fact reign that we might share the reign with you.

 

[Billy Evmur]

No your focus is on preaching to poor people while their kids die of malnutrition. But dont feed them, no instead its ok to build a huge luxurious mansion. Thats what you are saying.

Where did I say any of that? YOU you are the one talking about earthly matters.

I am focussed on soulwinning.

Silly isn't it, Your pastor or favourite preacher/teacher lives in a nice house, sends his kids to the best school. Drives a nice car. Wears nice clothes. Has plenty the best food.

It's all meaningless, I am as thankful for bread and jam as I am for a roast beef.

You say are concerned for the hungry and poor but you won't shell out to send the preachers who are winning them to the Lord...that is the only hope they have for then they will pray and God will answer them.

It has been the prosperity crowd who opened Africa and Asia to the gospel. WHY?

Because it is God's message.

 

[Billy Evmur]

But God couldn't help the poor church in the apostles Pauls day? What about those starving kids in the world today? Should we let them starve to death because you say they are Muslim? You say all we should do is preach to them? How is preaching going to do those kids any good when they are dead?

That is the nub of your problem...you do not understand the power of God or the gospel.

I saw it more than 40 years ago. everyone was sending money and clothes and bicycles, and today they STILL are starving...I decided then to invest rather in the good gospel and in my lifetime I have seen those African nations turn to God and begin to prosper.

 

[YeshuaFan]

If you would be a pastor, and some christian manifest demons in them like it happens, you would just say lalalala christian can't have demons...??

I would instruct them on what the Bible actually teaches in regards to this, and show to them no Christian can be demon possessed!

 

[YeshuaFan]

Well stop using the confusing word "possessed" then, seeing that its not scriptural.
I avoid using that word because it leads directly to the fake arguments that you keep making.

At the end of the day, scripture shows that both believers and non believers can have demons within them, and Jesus commanded his servants to cast them out.

Any verse that you can show me to support casting demons out of saved persons? Any examples that jesus or paul did that to those who already had been born again?

 

[YeshuaFan]

Goodness me, what an infantile bunch of Christians you seem to be raising up if they are confused frightened worried and not sure they are saved when someone mentions demons.
If you are teaching them, you should be ashamed. I have seen young children doing deliverance without a second thought, and you whimper in fear. Lol

Sounds more like you're just faking the reaction to impress us.

But I see still you don't address all the scriptural proof I present.

All that you have given so far is the disputed ending of the Gospel of mark, and you have NEVER presented to us ANY verse that says Christians can be possesses, or need to have demons cast out of them!

 

[YeshuaFan]

Scripture makes it abundantly clear that demons dwell within people.
Scripture makes no differentiation between demonisation of believers or unbelievers except that believers also have the ability to cast them out.
Therefore, seeing you are the one who has been in denial of the deliverance ministry, it is down to you to prove from scripture that a believer cannot have an indwelling demon, and despite pretending to do so, you have completely failed to do so.

I can claim that the scriptures never indicate that ever needed to happen to a saved person, so its up to you to validate your claim!

 

[YeshuaFan]

Hey what about Enoch?, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac and Jacob, Joseph, Moses, Gideon, Barak and Samson, Daniel, shadrach Meshak and Abednego. All of these were prosperous folk and were persecuted.

Godly prosperity and persecution go together.

God's people when they prosper really threaten Satan's kingdom. If the devil has sold you the poverty gospel he has limited your outreach.

Poverty doctrine is medieval Catholicism...the people were encourage stay poor and holy while Rome engrandised herself.

Wake up, poverty is a curse and a killer. If you don't believe it go to India.

Paul learned to practice contentment, to experience the presence of the Lord Jesus regardless of having a lot or very little! There is the abundant life indeed for the Christian, but it does not consist of how much money/health/prosperity one has, but that they now have all SPIRITUAL blessings in Christ! Those who teach prosperity really are not teaching NT but OT promises to Israel, and go for it, but just make sure to teach on the curses there also!

 

[YeshuaFan]

I do not mock her at all...and remind me never to ask you to pray for me, heavens knows what would befall me for God's glory.

There is no case in the gospel where Jesus said go and be sick for God's glory, He is God, He did not come to do His own will but the will of the Father...He healed them ALL. That's how I know it is God's will.

It's no good bringing up this case or that case.

However wonderful Joni is I must look to Jesus.

We do not see ALL healed at present, 150 years ago you would have seen few people healed, in the 14th century church consisted of Mass. We are moving on, God is moving on...don't get left behind.

God has used in a mighty fashion MANY since time of Christ who suffered from various health and other issues, Spurgeon, far greater preacher than you or I am , suffered with Gout most of his adult life, and doubt that was due to "lack of faith"

 

[YeshuaFan]

Did Jesus say that?

Yes, when He spoke to both Paul and the one that laid hands on Paul, and scales were removed from His eyes and he could see again!

 

[YeshuaFan]

I think you did not read what I said .
You are right ..satan has "no claim" .

Just as a thief has No claim to your things.
..but he does steal them..
Thats why he is called a thief.

Jesus said of satan.. the thief came to steal kill and destroy...
But i have come to undo his works (pp)

No claim does not mean no ability..
The same thief has already stolen belief from many ... They run around saying tgey believe in JESUS.
But do not believe the lord JESUS will fulfil his word .
And they dont believe hes taljing to them on one point but think he Is talking to them in another sentance.

The thief has been very busy indeed. Stealibg faith.

One of the biggest areas that satan has got into the church is in Charismatic Chaos though!

 

[YeshuaFan]

We agree on this.
So in what manner have you forsaken such things ?

I never di seek to be wealthy, not to promote health and wealth as the main reason to be saved!

 

[W2L]

Where did I say any of that? YOU you are the one talking about earthly matters.

I am focussed on soulwinning.

Silly isn't it, Your pastor or favourite preacher/teacher lives in a nice house, sends his kids to the best school. Drives a nice car. Wears nice clothes. Has plenty the best food.

It's all meaningless, I am as thankful for bread and jam as I am for a roast beef.

You say are concerned for the hungry and poor but you won't shell out to send the preachers who are winning them to the Lord...that is the only hope they have for then they will pray and God will answer them.

It has been the prosperity crowd who opened Africa and Asia to the gospel. WHY?

Because it is God's message.

Soul winning? Why would i give a false teacher money?

 

[W2L]

That is the nub of your problem...you do not understand the power of God or the gospel.

I saw it more than 40 years ago. everyone was sending money and clothes and bicycles, and today they STILL are starving...I decided then to invest rather in the good gospel and in my lifetime I have seen those African nations turn to God and begin to prosper.

Yet you cant even agree that we should be helping those poor children who die every year. Not once do i remember you ever agreeing to that one thing i have said.

 

[W2L]

For the same reason that Christ who was rich for our sakes became poor to make us rich 2.Cor.8.9 this is not a glib response, for that is exactly what Jesus did and what Paul did.

Paul complains that he and Barnabas alone seem to be the only ones who have to suffer hunger and nakedness, shipwreck....why couldn't he be like Peter and the other apostles who led his wife around with him? you know what wives are like.....

Peter and the others worked among folk who were brethren, they knew how to give and support the work of God, and they did. Paul's work was among the heathen Gentiles and until the assemblies were set up and running he could expect to be holpen with little help. Once those assemblies WERE set up Paul was helped again and again.

...no that Paul looked to their gifts but he looked for their increase, the blessing those Phillipians would surely receive from God. It was Paul said a partnership of giving and receiving.

The church nowadays advocates a partnership of GIVE, GIVE, GIVE...and don't expect anything back.

But poor folks can't afford that. They CAN afford the bible way. In fact they can't afford not to.

Get with it brother, this is God's answer to poverty.

And the Corinthians DID become rich, Paul says "You are not poor ye have become like kings and I wish that ye did in fact reign that we might share the reign with you.

So answer this question. If i live in a multi million dollar home, while literally children starve to death in Africa, is that love?

 

[W2L]

So its ok for a preacher to live in luxury while children stave to death. Thats faith? Thats love? No, its not love for mankind but love for money.

 

[Francis Drake]

If this is the post you refer to, I already answered it showing that Paul and Ananias were witnesses to the risen Christ, necessary for apostleship, and history also says Ananias was one of the seventy with Christ from the beginning.

You posted it, not me, so I've no idea what post you meant, but it still made no sense.
However for someone who claims to stick to scripture, you again prove the dishonesty of that claim. Nowhere in scripture is Ananias called an apostle. And if he is an apostle, then he breaks your fake rules of membership and proves apostleship today.