The question cessationists must answer.

[Billy Evmur]

You didnt answer the question. Was the poor church not following Jesus?

The poor church gave, that is following Christ, it is poor folk who give today...and the Lord brings them out of poverty.

 

[Billy Evmur]

Our abundance is not for us, but for others. Its not so we can buy a mansion. Its not so we can live in excess. Look here at this scripture and compare it to the church in acts. The rich sold what they had, sold their lands, they didnt get rich selling their doctrine, nor did they buy huge mansions!

See here, your abundance is for others that lack, its not for a multi million dollar home.

2 Corinthians 8:13 Our desire is not that others might be relieved while you are hard pressed, but that there might be equality. 14 At the present time your plenty will supply what they need, so that in turn their plenty will supply what you need. The goal is equality, 15 as it is written: “The one who gathered much did not have too much, and the one who gathered little did not have too little.”

Paul say specifically "at this present time" because there was a famine, he is not stating a doctrine.

The doctrine is that your PLENTY might supply their want, so that in turn their PLENTY will supply your want....

"so that in turn" means if the need arises....equality, there should BE no poverty in the church, not ever.

When those folk sold lands and houses they were acting upon the words of Jesus "nobody will sell land or houses but he shall receive an 100 fold in this age and in the age to come eternal life."

I bet some folks thought Peter and the apostles were moneygrubbers when they saw all that loot being placed at their feet.

Their focus was the kingdom, their focus was souls...so should ours be.

 

[Billy Evmur]

Invest your money in soulwinning and giving to the poor.

When God prospers YOU, according as He has promised, people will point the finger at YOU and persecute you.

You don't have to behave unwisely with money, Paul said we should give "as God hath prospered us" God's emphasis is always on prospering us.

 

[Dave L]

Come on Dave, you're wriggling and will have to do better than that.
You're supposed to be the man who sticks to scripture and now you present something that's clearly not in scripture.

Show me the scripture that states Ananias is an apostle. If you can't do that, then you're busted.
As for me, I don't care because I know any faithful believer like Ananias or myself, can lay hands on someone to be filled with the spirit or to receive gifts.

But given your unbelief, you can't pray for people that way. You would first need to repent of all that cessationism garbage that blinds your mind.

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And you didn't answer my other example, that Timothy had hands laid on by the eldership, not the apostles, to receive his gifts.
(And another time by Paul)

History says Ananias was one of the 70. But even if not, an apostle must be an eye witness of Christ's resurrection which Ananias and Paul both were when Jesus appeared to them.

 

[Francis Drake]

History says Ananias was one of the 70. But even if not, an apostle must be an eye witness of Christ's resurrection which Ananias and Paul both were when Jesus appeared to them.

Here we go again, the man who always "sticks to scripture", how false that claim is.

There is no scripture that calls Ananias an apostle, just religious tradition from some quarters.

And to claim that he was an eye witness is again just making stuff up on the hoof to cover your nakedness.

 

[Dave L]

Here we go again, the man who always "sticks to scripture", how false that claim is.

There is no scripture that calls Ananias an apostle, just religious tradition from some quarters.

And to claim that he was an eye witness is again just making stuff up on the hoof to cover your nakedness.

Just asking who is most likely to be rejected. Who does the shoe fit best?

 

[RDKirk]

Timothy could easily have suffered and been mistreated in the city in different ways. But if all three were together and certain ones were persecuted it could be looked upon as “they” were all mistreated.the severe persecution may have happened to Paul and Silus but this does not eliminate Timothy from being mistreated and suffering as a Christian in Philippi

The "we" as used in this sentence does not make a statement about Timothy either way.

Let's say after an infantry division returns from a combat deployment, the commander reports to his superior officer, "We had a tough time of it and took a lot of casualties."

Now, there were some support units (cooks, mechanics, doctors, logistics, intelligence, and such) in the division that took no casualties at all. Yet, the commander will still always say "we took casualties."

This is not a statement intended to include or exclude Timothy and proves neither point.

 

[W2L]

Writing scripture does not make an apostle.

If that were the case, it discounts the many apostles who didn't write scripture, and the non apostles who wrote scriptures, like Mark and Luke, get added as new apostles.

i never said writing scripture was a requirement for being an apostle. I said that i only follow real apostles. The only real apostles i can follow today are the ones who wrote scripture.

 

[W2L]

The poor church gave, that is following Christ, it is poor folk who give today...and the Lord brings them out of poverty.

But God couldn't help the poor church in the apostles Pauls day? What about those starving kids in the world today? Should we let them starve to death because you say they are Muslim? You say all we should do is preach to them? How is preaching going to do those kids any good when they are dead?

 

[W2L]

Paul say specifically "at this present time" because there was a famine, he is not stating a doctrine.

The doctrine is that your PLENTY might supply their want, so that in turn their PLENTY will supply your want....

"so that in turn" means if the need arises....equality, there should BE no poverty in the church, not ever.

When those folk sold lands and houses they were acting upon the words of Jesus "nobody will sell land or houses but he shall receive an 100 fold in this age and in the age to come eternal life."

I bet some folks thought Peter and the apostles were moneygrubbers when they saw all that loot being placed at their feet.

Their focus was the kingdom, their focus was souls...so should ours be.

No your focus is on preaching to poor people while their kids die of malnutrition. But dont feed them, no instead its ok to build a huge luxurious mansion. Thats what you are saying.

 

[W2L]

Invest your money in soulwinning and giving to the poor.

When God prospers YOU, according as He has promised, people will point the finger at YOU and persecute you.

You don't have to behave unwisely with money, Paul said we should give "as God hath prospered us" God's emphasis is always on prospering us.

Why then did the apostle paul learn to be content when hungry and naked? Didnt God prosper him?

 

[Francis Drake]

i never said writing scripture was a requirement for being an apostle. I said that i only follow real apostles. The only real apostles i can follow today are the ones who wrote scripture.

So Mark and Luke's 2 gospels aren't worth reading, being as they were not apostles?

 

[Alithis]

That is for continuation of the ministry. That was possible only with 12 which required replacement of Judas. Apostle Thomas had not received the Holy Spirit.


Authority to continue with the ministry is different from receiving the Holy Spirit earlier.


That was one of the ways of consulting God that they knew it at that time.


To equip them for the world wide ministry.


That is how it should be understood.

Yet again cessationisn based on opinion completely removed from the scriptures.
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The worldwide ministry ...? The world still exists
The ministry still exists
The gifts still exists .

You really have ZERO scriptural basis for the opinions that have been taught to you.

 

[W2L]

So Mark and Luke's 2 gospels aren't worth reading, being as they were not apostles?

Strawman, as usual. Their words are scripture, correct? I said i follow scripture.

 

[Francis Drake]

Why then did the apostle paul learn to be content when hungry and naked? Didnt God prosper him?

Paul was called to a different path, giving up many things for the sake of the gospel. He was a travelling apostle, and that meant he had nowhere he could call home. Other apostles were more home based.

1Cor9v3 5Have we no authority to take about a believer as a wife, as also the other apostles, and the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas? 6Or only I and Barnabas, have we no authority not to work?

Peter had a home and family, whereas Paul put marriage out of his head by choice.

 

[W2L]

Paul was called to a different path, giving up many things for the sake of the gospel. He was a travelling apostle, and that meant he had nowhere he could call home. Other apostles were more home based.

1Cor9v3 5Have we no authority to take about a believer as a wife, as also the other apostles, and the brothers of the Lord, and Cephas? 6Or only I and Barnabas, have we no authority not to work?

Peter had a home and family, whereas Paul put marriage out of his head by choice.

Well im following paul, not Kenneth Copeland.

 

[Francis Drake]

Just asking who is most likely to be rejected. Who does the shoe fit best?

Your reply makes no sense or connection to my post?

 

[Righttruth]

Yet again cessationisn based on opinion completely removed from the scriptures.
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The worldwide ministry ...? The world still exists
The ministry still exists
The gifts still exists .

You really have ZERO scriptural basis for the opinions that have been taught to you.

Why did Paul advise Corinthians to stop gibberish nonsense and seek prophecy? It did stop for centuries before it got relapsed by deluded people about a century ago! Are you an immature Corinthian still?

 

[Alithis]

Why did Paul advise Corinthians to stop gibberish nonsense and seek prophecy? It did stop for centuries before it got relapsed by deluded people about a century ago! Are you an immature Corinthian still?

He didnt .

Again you spout opinion with ZERO scriptural foundation.

 

[Righttruth]

He didnt .

Again you spout opinion with ZERO scriptural foundation.

Writings have been elevated to the status of scripture for deluded concepts. Scripture ended with the OT. It is writings and the Holy Spirit now.