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What do you suppose Paul means when he prays.-
Ephesians1v17that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him. 18I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened,
Asking for the "spirit of wisdom and revelation" is a fool thing to do if you reject the very concept of receiving a revelation!
There are 1,000 times more messengers of unbelief in the church than those preaching faith.
And it's a bit rich to go spouting unbelief and then complaining that you do not see the miraculous.
Sure..but i think you missed something.No, you stop issuing orders. You dont want to judge if WOF is sound doctrine? Thats your business but you are not an authority over anyone so get yourself in check please.
No one (at least not I ) said your experiences were rubbish. I said earlier they are real and valid and very special and personal to you.Of course is bad to sit and do nothing waiting for something like the anointing if God didn't tell you, maybe you get nothing and then what?...
I would not call it a feeling either.
I really don't know much about it, but i knew 2 preachers that preach about it and they are legit for me, one casted a demon out of me and told me details of my life nobody knew, only God would knew those details, another one while 'ministering' i felt like an strange electricity in my arm, and immediately he said, 'someone is feeling electricity in their bodies', how he would know? and we should be careful to say this is rubbish and false or worse from the devil.
Just my experience...
That diatribe of yours didn't answer my question. My question was "if we are not healed, is it because we don't have enough faith?"
So you should.Actually i find great comfort in the fact that we are being born again.
No it isn't.That is my healing.
To borrow a favourite quote from you cessationists, "there's 1900 years of proof!"That's a lie. Where is your evidence that cessationists persecuted continuists out of existence?
No evidence, just your perverted opinion of scripture.The 'sign gifts' ceased because God withdrew them after they had fulfilled their purpose.
I don't think I've ever come across such pumped up unbelief as exhibited by the cessationists on this thread. Do you lot take steroids to boost it?What the pentecostal/charismatic movement has touted in the last 100 years are counterfeits. None of today's tongues, prophecy, apostles, etc match the biblical descriptions of those gifts. People have been duped.
There's plenty of evidence that Calvin played a major role in the killing of his opponents. None of it Arminian.More lies. The 'murder' that arminians like to falsely accuse Calvin of was his minor role in the trial of a heretic. The heretic was found guilty and in those days the legal punishment for heresy was death.
Ah, the spirit of Calvin and the Torquemada suddenly reveals itself. It'd certainly make your life easy wouldn't it?Was God also a murderer for ordaining that false prophets be put to death in the Old Testament? If we were living in the same theocracy today the charismatic movement would be very quickly extinguished!
Cessationists have been happy to dish out guilt by association and smear tactics throughout this thread, and you whine when I present a bit of provable history.Not only are you lying, but I see you are employing the 'guilt by association' fallacy to try and tar cessationists with the same brush. You must be getting desperate if you have to resort to such underhand tactics in order to try and win the debate.
And, unless I am mistaken, the gospels of Mark, and Luke, plus the book of Acts were rather full of theological doctrine.You have made a rather glaring error..... Mark and Luke didn't decree theological doctrine. They wrote narratives on the lives of Jesus and the Apostles.
Another gaff? I think that description remains with you.Where did Jesus "command us" to cast out demons in the great commision? Another gaff I'm afraid.
I am just stating that there are NO recorded instances where Christians were demon possessed in the Bible, if they could be, would not Jesus or one of His Apostles wanted to warn us against that?Some say christians can't be possesed, i don't know about that, but having a demon inside doesn't mean all the time someone is possesed, it just mean is there, and we need to take them out. All the evil spirit don't leave just because we convert, they can be there because of traumas, or took advantage of us when we were kids, even babies, or because of sins, you are talking something you don't have any experience on,
I been delivered of demons or evil spirits long after i converted. And some of them were there from the time i was a child, If you don't have any experience on this, you shouldn't say to others who have that what they are living is not true.
Yes, as the Bible is the very word of the Lord unto us, isinfallible and fully trustworthy and never wrong when understood properly, unlike words of knowledge and wisdom at times people have given forth unto others!Its the word anointing.
It is true absolutly ... Jesus said the spirit of the lord has (past tense) anointed me... To things he listed.
He then went and did those things.
It was not about a feeling .
The anointing is not a feeling or anything like that.
The word anointing does not mean what youve been taught it means.
I was tricked by the teaching you cant do anything unless you FEEL some special anointing.
Its a lie. A false doctrine.
It holds people in churches on sunday waiting for some one to come and give them some special word and impart some mystical power. Its an imprisoning lie.
It is bound in Unbelief.
God showed me ..you already have been appointed his witness when you recieved the holy Spirit.
Now rise up go out and obey the lord Jesus.
Thats called the obedience of faith. Faith is not a passive thing you have.
Faith is the action you take because you believe in JESUS.
When the lord showed me this..and showed me we were all sitting on sundays being unfruitful branches he also reminded me what happens to unfruitful branches.
So many will attend church and seminar and conference and flutter thier leaves in feelings and experiences and still be CUT off as unfruitful branches.
Fruit ..multiplies the tree. Preaching singing coffeemaking ushering office working worship leading..these are service ..but they are not fruit.
Fruit is to become More of the vine your grafted into ..do not be a hearer of the word and not a Doer
You know that do you?
Yikes
was fulfilled by the Apostles in Acts, but the church is not under that Commission, but the one at end of Matthew!Another gaff? I think that description remains with you.
But seeing as you asked, here's Jesus commissioning them.-
Mark16v15And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. 16“He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. 17“These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues;
The theology of the Wof and other extreme charismatic groups was not known until 1900's, and much of the theology within those groups is not found in the scriptures either! Its mainly based upon revelations that people are accepting from what they see as modern day prophets and Apostles!Is that the best you can do?
You only have 1900 years of church history on your side because the institutional system was created and run by people like you, who tortured and murdered anyone who didn't believe the same as you.
Calvin, a favourite amongst cessationists, murdered his theological opponent. Does that also prove Calvinism?
Russian and Chinese communists insisted God didn't exist, and proved it by enslaving or killing all Christians.
Sorry, I don't buy your proof at all.
God already judged the theology of much of the WoF as being heresy at worst, or just lousy at best!Sounds lije a nice list of requirements made up by some ladies over coffee.
Let God decide whom he sends for each generation.
Let God be judge of WOF people.
But You... You go obey the lord JESUS.
Luke and mark were known to be associated and under the covering of Apostles paul and peter, so they were included as being inspired writers to us in the NT... The main point is still true, that the Bible authors all were inspired by God, held perfect theology when they expounded on the scriptures, something neither you or I can claim for today!Oh dear oh dear, and you are the one who keeps boasting that you only follow the bible. Well according to statement above, that bible of yours is now no longer infallible.
If only apostles are gifted to write infallible theologies, you'd best tear Mark's and Luke's gospels out, along with the Book of Acts.
Perhaps you didn't notice, but neither Mark, nor Luke are listed as apostles.
Maybe you'd like to back pedal your statement a little.
I might also point out that despite claiming to follow your infallible scriptures, your explanations of them is an awful long way from infallible.
Where in the Great Commission of Mathew was demon casting out commanded to be done?The scriptures make no claim either way, so that's just an empty worthless statement.
But given that Jesus commanded us to cast demons out as a part of the great commission, you must either be casting them out of non believers, or being rebellious and lazy.
Which is it?
the scriptures declare that the saint of God will have all the days allotted to them by God, but that God alone determines how and when they shall pass!You are wrong, as Satan frequently ordains death.
The Lord obviously knows before creation when anyone will die, but that fact does not infer that God ordains he dies that day, or by what method.
The enemy comes to kill steal and destroy. That puts the choice of murder in the hands of the enemy.
We live in a fallen world, and death is a curse, a robbery, a bereavement.
In contrast, long life is a blessing to any man.
Your false theology blames God for ordaining millions of babies to be murdered in the womb!
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