The question cessationists must answer.

[swordsman1]

apostles and prophets along with the other giftings was given to the church AFTER the resurrection, Ephesians 48-11, until we come to the unity of the faith unto the perfect man, which all are still growing in.

So the apostles after the resurrection are in a specific ministry. There is no verse that says they have ceased.

Apostles and prophets were only for the foundation of the church.

Eph 2:20 "having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone,"​

 

[W2L]

Christ leads by His Spirit in every part. Apostle gifts and prophet gifts do not have dominion over others faith. They are rather helpers as led by the Lord and very prescious as they function in faith. But all the body can have Christ work in then

Ephesians 4:15,16,

1 Cor 14:26-38

1 Peter 4:10,11

Colossians 3:15,16

Romans 12:1-8

1 Thess 5:11

etc

One spirit cannot teach different doctrines that cause division. Surely there is false teaching and no apostles to fix the problem.

 

[Deborah D]

I already have. I don't recall anyone refuting Grudem's analysis. So you'll have to remind me.

Not specifically, but refuting the view that this gift ended with the Apostles because an apostle had to have seen Jesus............

 

[Deborah D]

Because apostles were given the task of teaching us?

What about teachers?

 

[Deborah D]

Sm is trying to say to us that the sig s wonders tongues healing were only for the apostles and only for the jews .so he thinks if he can prove there are no apostles today it will varify his perferred opnion.

The problem is.. Iv experienced demons vast out..and done it.
Iv experienced dreams . visions..other tongues.
Iv see many many healings as we lay hands on the sick including the deaf hear.
So .. He is simply wrong.

I know, he wants to kick the can down the road another thousand miles and wear us down. He must have too much extra time on his hands.

 

[W2L]

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But tell me of these "apostles" you speak of and I can consider them.

I dont believe there are apostles today. That's why the church division is not being fixed. Over 2000 years of division and no apostles to fix it.. That's my point, the evidence does not show that apostles are at work in the church today.

 

[swordsman1]

Not specifically, but refuting the view that this gift ended with the Apostles because an apostle had to have seen Jesus............

Which post was that?

 

[Deborah D]

Apostles and prophets were only for the foundation of the church.

Eph 2:20 "having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone,"​

Thank you! I'm glad that you think of my spiritual gift that way.

 

[LoveofTruth]

Apostles and prophets were only for the foundation of the church.

Eph 2:20 "having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus Himself being the corner stone,"​

"(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:"(Ephesians 4:8-13).


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[W2L]

What about teachers?

You mean the ones who teach division? Obviously they are not teaching from the same spirit otherwise there would be no divisions among them.

 

[Deborah D]

I dont believe there are apostles today. That's why the church division is not being fixed. Over 2000 years of division and no apostles to fix it.. That's my point, the evidence does not show that apostles are at work in the church today.

BROKEN RECORD!!!!! We know what you believe about this. You've only said it about a million times, and don't you dare accuse me of exaggerating!

 

[W2L]

So.. Go and believe in Jesus and all he said
And do it.
You Do believe him dont you?

I already addressed that.

 

[Deborah D]

You mean the ones who teach division? Obviously they are not teaching from the same spirit otherwise there would be no divisions among them.

BINGO!!!!! They're teaching from their own minds or the minds of the theologians, not from the Holy Spirit!

 

[W2L]

If a minister starts talking details of your life, no one knows about, and there is no way he would know, would you believe phropecies are real? because this has happened and to me too.

No i wouldn't. What about satan deceiving many with lying signs and wonders?

 

[W2L]

BROKEN RECORD!!!!! We know what you believe about this. You've only said it about a million times, and don't you dare accuse me of exaggerating!

So? No one is asking you to read my posts and respond to them. BTW the post was not addressed to you. I was answering a question from another poster. He asked i answered.

 

[swordsman1]

Thank you! I'm glad that you think of my spiritual gift that way.

You're too late I'm afraid. The foundation was laid 2000 years ago.

 

[W2L]

BINGO!!!!! They're teaching from their own minds or the minds of the theologians, not from the Holy Spirit!

But where are the true apostles and teachers? Why are they so silent? Can you point me to a real apostle?

 

[Deborah D]

No i wouldn't. What about satan deceiving many with lying signs and wonders?

THERE IT IS!!!!! YOU BELIEVE THAT SATAN SPEAKS TO US. YOU BELIEE THAT SATAN PERFORMS SIGNS AND WONDERS, BUT YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT GOD DOES MIRACLES THROUGH HIS SAINTS BY HIS UNLIMITED POWER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[swordsman1]

"(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.) 11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:"(Ephesians 4:8-13).


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The apostles in that verse are referring to the original apostles.

 

[Deborah D]

You're too late I'm afraid. The foundation has was laid 2000 years ago.

What are you afraid of? Jesus said not to be afraid.