The question cessationists must answer.

[NBB]

Hace calor allí? Did i say that right? Or is it alla?

Both ways are ok to say, we are entering summer here and it is starting to get hot.

 

[Deborah D]

Both ways are ok to say, we are entering summer here and it is starting to get hot.

Hace frio aqui.

Hay montanas en Uruguay?

 

[NBB]

Hace frio aqui.

Hay montanas en Uruguay?

There a lot of plains or how i say it? valleys? with good terrain for agriculture and for feeding cattle, but the 'dry season' is affecting things. Only a few small hills.

Hay muchas llanuras con buen terreno para agricultura y para el ganado, pero la sequía afecta el campo, aquí hay solo algunos cerros no muy grandes.

 

[Deborah D]

There a lot of plains or how i say it? valleys? with good terrain for agriculture and for feeding cattle, but the 'dry season' is affecting things. Only a few small hills.

Hay muchas llanuras con buen terreno para agricultura y para el ganado, pero la sequía afecta el campo, aquí hay solo algunos cerros no muy grandes.

Muchas gracias

 

[NBB]

Muchas gracias

I have autism, so sorry if i am not good at making much conversation!
When a conversation switchs from objective thinking to social/personal i get in trouble.

 

[Deborah D]

I have autism, so sorry if i am not good at making much conversation!
When a conversation switchs from objective thinking to social/personal i get in trouble.

You're doing very well!

 

[W2L]

The Holy spirit is really close in some pentecostal churches, with the manifestations of the Holy spirit, i have first hand experience with miracles with some ministers, Happy now?
That is all i know because i never went to another church, but if the Holy spirit is present, something is being done right.

No im not happy. I feel like crap actually. Have a nice day.

 

[RDKirk]

The unsubstantiated story of "Surpise Sithole " is not God's word.

Nothing in scripture can be substantiated without the continuation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is the witness that testifies to the scripture.

 

[Alithis]

Alithis, I agree with you about not seeking after a feeling, but when the anointing is very strong on me or in me, I do feel it sometimes. Perhaps we should "argue" about it in the charismatic thread. LOL

lol its fine .. its just a terminology . the misunderstanding comes when the word anointing is used because the western charismatic pretty much took a word and attributed a completely different meaning to it .

kind of like the word gay once had a wide use meaning of cheerful free mood .. now has a meaning of one who engages in homosexuality - Same word but a different meaning has been wrongly attributed to it .

the anointing is not on you some times and gone other times .
what your experiencing is the holy spirit Inside you stirring you up to a certain thing he wants to happen .. so that why i referred to the old king James word the "quickening " .. the pulse speeds up the senses increase the Adrenalin flows the hands quiver .. this is the FLESH reacting to the stirring of the holy spirit ..so the body speeds up . hence the term quickening - gets quicker . often this happens the first time some one speaks in tongues or prophecies out loud Or had a declarative word in tongues real loud over the noise of a crowd .
so yes i agree we DO feel things .. but they are resultant not causative .

we can start a thread on it if you like and i can explain is as best i can . i just want you to kow it is NOT to say what you experience is not valid.. not at all though some of the things and the experiences that resulted may shock you a bit . because a wrong teaching just a little wrong at its origin wil lead one further not nearer to the truth

-picture a straight line and another line beside it that starts at an offset angle so so slight that at first it cant be seen to be offset ..but the longer that line is followed its not aligned with the truth line and only grows in distant from the truth as it is followed . the wrong understanding of the word anointing is just such a wide spread scenario

OR-- i can short cut and give you a link to a guy who explains it all in about 40 minutes in one youtube clip lol .. let me know i'l link it
but if you do watch it PLEASE come back and discuss id love to see your response

 

[Alithis]

However when i received the Holy spirit i felt Him, and i felt the Glory of God in my house i was speechless, i did not want to move a finger, i did not think that it was even possible to experience that, when you feel something from God is not your 'feelings', you feel like when someone is touching you, you senses tell you that someone is touching you, these are not your feelings, you get testimony inside that it is from God, i personally just know it is from God when its him, the devil can make you feel things too, but about God, moses i am sure he felt the glory when he was in the mountain, Its not good to despise that kind of things, because some people feel something, when in reality is their flesh, or the devil.

please understand - things that happen to us are very personal and we get very protective of our experiences . but when they are of God no one can take them so be at peace about that

im embarking on a topic about the anointing in regard to the meaning of the word and that it is not "power" nothing more .im not challenging peoples experiences - when i first was inundated with the Holy Spirit my body shook from head to toe and my heels vibrated so intensely i moved sideways across the floor then bowed down to God ... and much more . so im not speaking like a person with big headed theories but a very real experiential comprehension of these things . but SIN mixed with wrong teachings ,mixed with not being a doer ..led me into GREAT deceptions and the demonic

 

[Deborah D]

lol its fine .. its just a terminology . the misunderstanding comes when the word anointing is used because the western charismatic pretty much took a word and attributed a completely different meaning to it .

kind of like the word gay once had a wide use meaning of cheerful free mood .. now has a meaning of one who engages in homosexuality - Same word but a different meaning has been wrongly attributed to it .

the anointing is not on you some times and gone other times .
what your experiencing is the holy spirit Inside you stirring you up to a certain thing he wants to happen .. so that why i referred to the old king James word the "quickening " .. the pulse speeds up the senses increase the Adrenalin flows the hands quiver .. this is the FLESH reacting to the stirring of the holy spirit ..so the body speeds up . hence the term quickening - gets quicker . often this happens the first time some one speaks in tongues or prophecies out loud Or had a declarative word in tongues real loud over the noise of a crowd .
so yes i agree we DO feel things .. but they are resultant not causative .

we can start a thread on it if you like and i can explain is as best i can . i just want you to kow it is NOT to say what you experience is not valid.. not at all though some of the things and the experiences that resulted may shock you a bit . because a wrong teaching just a little wrong at its origin wil lead one further not nearer to the truth

-picture a straight line and another line beside it that starts at an offset angle so so slight that at first it cant be seen to be offset ..but the longer that line is followed its not aligned with the truth line and only grows in distant from the truth as it is followed . the wrong understanding of the word anointing is just such a wide spread scenario

OR-- i can short cut and give you a link to a guy who explains it all in about 40 minutes in one youtube clip lol .. let me know i'l link it
but if you do watch it PLEASE come back and discuss id love to see your response

I was just joking about starting a new thread, but I agree with you that there's some fake stuff going on. I've seen it. Years ago my husband and I attended a church that had a special meeting one night. We went to see what it was about, and people were howling, barking, and screaming.... Needless to say, we didn't stay at that church for long!

 

[Deborah D]

No im not happy. I feel like crap actually. Have a nice day.

I'm still praying for you!

 

[Alithis]

I was just joking about starting a new thread, but I agree with you that there's some fake stuff going on. I've seen it. Years ago my husband and I attended a church that had a special meeting one night. We went to see what it was about, and people were howling, barking, and screaming.... Needless to say, we didn't stay at that church for long!

i was a recipient of some of those things and i assure you they happen ..strongly .
but here is the catch
the more i sought those experiencing under the illusion i was seeking the "anointing" ..the less my actual life changed for good . .. same hard hardheartedness .same sins, never working true repentance in me .. what spirit is this that leads not away from sin and into rightousness ? but feels very wonderful? do the math -this all changed when i began to seek the lord for the lord .

but i could go on so long as it is a long testimony .
so here-
i will just pop this link up ... save the link to watch when your ready .
or save it as an mp4 sound file and play it in your car when driving as its an hour and 15 long .

yeah much longer then most would watch on here.. but hey its the last lesson of 19 lessons about healing the sick
I HIGHLY recommend the Whole series -it's from the John G Lake healing ministries training seminar .
this particular lesson deals with the Exact topic of the word anointing - and using scripture scripture scripture blows away so much church tradition and false perception specifically from the 1980s to now ,in the charismatic movementamong others ..

yoiuve got about 2minutes and 20second of preamble - to settle in with your coffee and cookies - ENJOY.. you will but you will also be challenged

 

[YeshuaFan]

I was wondering when the 'blaspheming the Spirit' card would be played. It's the oft used scare tactic to try and ward off cessationists.

Defending the Holy Spirit against the counterfeiting of His gifts, and other bogus practices done in His name, is not blaspheming Him. What is dishonoring to the Holy Spirit is attributing to Him things which are clearly not of him.

The holy Spirit is the One of truth, and so how can He be involved in the ministries of those in the woF that are denying essentials of the Christian faith then, and are crediting him with giving to them their new and heretical doctrines and understandings?
They also go into Touch not the Lord's Anointed lest God destroy you for that sin, but again, how can any be Anointed who teach false doctrines?

 

[YeshuaFan]

Keep judging!

I guess that meant Ken had the "rolls Royce" kind of faith, while his followers have the Pinto one! Strange that the Apostles of Christ, who actually heard Jesus directly, never received revelation to be able to have health and wealth, as they all died and were treated shabby by the world!

 

[Deborah D]

I guess that meant Ken had the "rolls Royce" kind of faith, while his followers have the Pinto one! Strange that the Apostles of Christ, who actually heard Jesus directly, never received revelation to be able to have health and wealth, as they all died and were treated shabby by the world!

More mocking!

 

[YeshuaFan]

What possessed you to leave a denomination that teaches the truth about the spiritual gifts and go to a cess. denomination? I'm very familiar with reformed and Baptist theology, and I've seen quite a bit of unbelief in both. However, I'm not going to smear them as heretics, esp. without offering any proof. BTW, what is WOF fridge? I'm not familiar with this term.

Edit: Don't get me wrong. I've known plenty of born-again Christians in both. I don't mean to imply otherwise.

I do not see the AOG as not teaching the real Jesus and real Gospel, just that they are confused and misunderstand the person and work of the Holy Spirit, but to their credit, they deny we can claim divine healing a s a right, can have prosperity, and that there are modern day Apostles/Prophets.
Satan used the WoF to mess up badly Charismatic theology, as their doctrines come from Hell, and are messing up the Charismatic churches!

 

[YeshuaFan]

More mocking!

You deny that the Apostle never taught WoF, as they all died for Jesus in horrible ways, and were treated badly? Hebrews 11 details that many who live for the lord experienced nothing that the woF epouses!

 

[Deborah D]

I do not see the AOG as not teaching the real Jesus and real Gospel, just that they are confused and misunderstand the person and work of the Holy Spirit, but to their credit, they deny we can claim divine healing a s a right, can have prosperity, and that there are modern day Apostles/Prophets.
Satan used the WoF to mess up badly Charismatic theology, as their doctrines come from Hell, and are messing up the Charismatic churches!

Have you read AOG doctrine lately? They are the only traditional Protestant denomination I know of that claims healing as part of atonement.

From its inception the General Council of the Assemblies of God has recognized divine healing for the whole person as an important part of the gospel, the good news, which Jesus commissioned His disciples to proclaim. The Assemblies of God constitution in its Statement of Fundamental Truths, section 12, states, “Divine healing is an integral part of the gospel. Deliverance from sickness is provided for in the Atonement, and is the privilege of all believers (Isaiah 53:4,5; Matthew 8:16,17; James 5:14–16).”

Assemblies of God (USA) Official Web Site | Divine Healing (Official A/G Position Paper)​

 

[Deborah D]

You deny ythat the Apostle never taught WoF, as they all died for Jesus in horrible ways, and were treated badly? Hebrews 11 details that many who live for the lord experienced nothing that the woF epouses!

That's not what I'm was saying at all. I'm done with of all the misinformation about what WOF teachers actually teach and all of the other misinformation. I've said this before, but you don't seem to care about the truth. You need to get your facts straight!