The question cessationists must answer.

[swordsman1]

actually this has happened to him instantaneously with many languages ..he was preaching the gospel and the sound changed and he found himself speaking in another language . done deal he now speaks that language . there are varying kinds of tongues.
devils also exist inside of people and i have both experienced them come out and in Jesus name cast them out .. with that person falling to the floor and the demon crying out and leaving the person .
and i have seen many people (including myself ) instantaneously healed etc ... . you see the problem for the cessation is "unbelief " because all these signs follow "those that believe "
not those who do not believe .

im not going to debate it with you . the simple fact is when it comes to these aspects of faith in the lord Jesus - a cessationist is nothing more then an unbeliever in some of the things written in the bible -its a selective and ineffectual faith in carnal reasoning .
that doesn't mean you dont identify as a Christian because i know you will attempt to silence us by falsly accusing people of saying your not Christian but no one is saying that . because we accept that you identify as christian . so be it . but as a self identifying Christian you do not believe all the scriptures .
if you did .. these signs would follow you too .. OR ... the lord Jesus would be a liar
and these signs are not isolated random cases . we see them weekly sometimes daily . but then we are full time gospel workers having believed the words of Jesus we gave up jobs and home to go out and preach the gospel where ever we can full time .

Subjective experiences, especially in the form of 2nd hand unsubstantiated stories from strangers, are nowhere near as convincing as the objective and guaranteed truth of scripture. Prove your case from scripture, rather than fantastical hearsay, and I might believe it.

 

[W2L]

I really do not recommend the snakes and poison drinking.
Really, don't drink poison friend. Recovery is not assured.
Drinking poison is stupid.

Curious that nobody ever claims the "gift" (sign) of drinking poison. Name it and claim it.

 

[Alithis]

27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, two, or at most three, should speak in turn, and someone must interpret.
28 But if there is no interpreter, he should remain silent in the church and speak only to himself and God.


(not my rules)

AND not the only setting in which tongues is spoken or prayed in .. this guideline was to be applied ONLY in A meeting and only when people ignorant about the gift were present .. dont add to it and dont impose on every OTHER setting

 

[AbbaLove]

Have you ever heard of Angus Buchan? He has a ministry in South Africa, and God called him to preach the gospel to the Muslims in Africa. He has said that the Muslims won't listen to the preaching of the gospel until they see a miracle. Once God heals someone in the crowd known by his fellow Muslims, many in the crowd run forward to receive Jesus as their Savior.

That's also true of Jews (until they see a miracle healing) although they are more reserved than running forward.

I was going to post the following earlier ...

"Of all the posts through 17 pages i found your posts to be most convincing that the supernatural Spiritual Giftings are just as active today as they were
at the time of Messiah Yeshua/Christ Jesus and the 1st Century Apostles."​

I can't imagine trying to go through this life not hearing God's voice and not speaking what He gives me to say. It's such a blessing!

I was first attracted to your avatar when i saw that you're a "Prayer Warrior" so i take it that you are an Intercessor which is a special calling.

The LORD'S blessing to You and Yours!

 

[Alithis]

Subjective experiences, especially in the form of 2nd hand unsubstantiated stories from strangers, are nowhere near as convincing as the objective and guaranteed truth of scripture. Prove your case from scripture, rather than fantastical hearsay, and I might believe it.

no point -you have chosen to disbelieve the scripture and replace them with personal opinion . that is why you never see the signs promised those who do believe . by the way - the entire faith is subjective experience - we read the book of acts - a testimony of 1st and 2nd hand experience .
we either believe it and then act on it or rebel and refuse to repent of the sin of unbelief . by suggesting subjective experience is not valid - you just cancelled the entire bible .you will note i was also testifying about my OWN experiences . and in the name of Jesus i am not lying

 

[AbbaLove]

Have you ever heard of Angus Buchan? He has a ministry in South Africa, and God called him to preach the gospel to the Muslims in Africa. He has said that the Muslims won't listen to the preaching of the gospel until they see a miracle. Once God heals someone in the crowd known by his fellow Muslims, many in the crowd run forward to receive Jesus as their Savior.

That's also true of Jews (until they see a miracle healing) although they are more reserved than running forward.

I was going to post the following earlier ...

"Of all the posts through 17 pages i found your posts to be most convincing that the supernatural Spiritual Giftings are just as active today as they were at the time of Messiah Yeshua/Christ Jesus and the 1st Century Apostles."​

I can't imagine trying to go through this life not hearing God's voice and not speaking what He gives me to say. It's such a blessing!

I was first attracted to your avatar when i saw that you're a "Prayer Warrior" so i take it that you are an Intercessor which is a special calling.

The LORD'S blessing to You and Yours!

 

[swordsman1]

AND not the only setting in which tongues is spoken or prayed in .. this guideline was to be applied ONLY in A meeting and only when people ignorant about the gift were present .. dont add to it and dont impose on every OTHER setting

What setting are you thinking of when tongues weren't to be interpreted?

I agree Paul's command applied to meetings but where does it say it only applied when people ignorant of tongues are present?

When you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. If anyone speaks in a tongue, it should be by two or at the most three, and each in turn, and one must interpret; but if there is no interpreter, he must keep silent in the church; and let him speak to himself and to God. ​

 

[swordsman1]

we read the book of acts - a testimony of 1st and 2nd hand experience .

Yes, but Acts was written by somebody under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, so we know it is 100% guaranteed truth, as is the rest of scripture. But we can't say that about the fantastical unproven stories we hear about on the internet.

 

[Alithis]

What setting are you thinking of when tongues weren't to be interpreted?

I agree Paul's command applied to meetings but where does it say it only applied when people ignorant of the tongues are present?

When you assemble, each one has a psalm, has a teaching, has a revelation, has a tongue, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification. If anyone speaks in a tongue, it should be by two or at the most three, and each in turn, and one must interpret; but if there is no interpreter, he must keep silent in the church; and let him speak to himself and to God. ​

wasnt replying to you ... you jump about never dealing with any issue .

 

[Alithis]

Yes, but Acts was written by somebody under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, so we know it is 100% guaranteed truth, as is the rest of scripture. But we can't say that about the fantastical unproven stories we hear about on the internet.

but they told you that .. and you not me suggested that its subjective .. so you choose to beleive it or not . your choosing to beleive direct scripture when it suits your preferred opinion . and rehecyt the same direct scriptures when it does not match your preferred opinion.. your following your own ways .. not christ .
it is amazing how many self identifying Christians are doing that -then you spend hours debating your opinions over and above the word of God instead of doing what the lord Jesus said . because in truth you dont actually believe what the lord Jesus said. IF you did you would go and do as he says

 

[Deborah D]

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That's also true of Jews (until they see a miracle healing) although they are more reserved than running forward.

I was going to post the following earlier ...

"Of all the posts through 17 pages i found your posts to be most convincing that the supernatural Spiritual Giftings are just as active today as they were at the time of Messiah Yeshua/Christ Jesus and the 1st Century Apostles."​

​

I was first attracted to your avatar when i saw that you're a "Prayer Warrior" so i take it that you are an Intercessor which is a special calling.

The LORD'S blessing to You and Yours!

Thanks, AbbaLove, what you said about my posts really blesses me. I pray about what to say, and I really try to speak what the Holy Spirit shows me.

Yes, I've heard what you are saying about the Jews. Sid Roth is Jewish and has a TV and radio ministry. He's preached the gospel to the Jewish people in Israel and has found that they pack the halls that he rents and practically run forward for healing. Many are healed and find salvation in Jesus Christ. It's very exciting to hear his testimony.

I am a prayer warrior/intercessor. The Holy Spirit often moves on me to pray for people and situations. I've spent thousands of hours over the years, many of them in the middle of the night, interceding. Often, I prayer in a prayer language only known to God. I believe that this is what Paul referred to as praying in the Spirit in Ephesians 6:18.

Pray at all times in the Spirit with every prayer and request, and stay alert in this with all perseverance and intercession for all the saints.
​

When the Holy Spirit moves on me to pray like this, I can't help but to pray! I've been known to walk through Walmart praying under my breath when the Spirit moves. Of course, when the Holy Spirit shows me something to pray with my mind, I do that too.

Being saved and Jewish seems to be a special blessing. You have a very rich heritage being part of the physical lineage of the Messiah. And now you're a part of the spiritual lineage as well!

May the Lord bless you and keep you!!!

 

[SkyWriting]

AND not the only setting in which tongues is spoken or prayed in .. this guideline was to be applied ONLY in A meeting and only when people ignorant about the gift were present .. dont add to it and dont impose on every OTHER setting

With or without snakes and poison?

 

[Deborah D]

actually this has happened to him instantaneously with many languages ..he was preaching the gospel and the sound changed and he found himself speaking in another language . done deal he now speaks that language . there are varying kinds of tongues.
devils also exist inside of people and i have both experienced them come out and in Jesus name cast them out .. with that person falling to the floor and the demon crying out and leaving the person .
and i have seen many people (including myself ) instantaneously healed etc ... . you see the problem for the cessation is "unbelief " because all these signs follow "those that believe "
not those who do not believe .

im not going to debate it with you . the simple fact is when it comes to these aspects of faith in the lord Jesus - a cessationist is nothing more then an unbeliever in some of the things written in the bible -its a selective and ineffectual faith in carnal reasoning .
that doesn't mean you dont identify as a Christian because i know you will attempt to silence us by falsly accusing people of saying your not Christian but no one is saying that . because we accept that you identify as christian . so be it . but as a self identifying Christian you do not believe all the scriptures .
if you did .. these signs would follow you too .. OR ... the lord Jesus would be a liar
and these signs are not isolated random cases . we see them weekly sometimes daily . but then we are full time gospel workers having believed the words of Jesus we gave up jobs and home to go out and preach the gospel where ever we can full time .

Alithis, may the Lord Jesus richly bless the work He's given you to do! Do you minister in Fiji?

 

[Deborah D]

Curious that nobody ever claims the "gift" (sign) of drinking poison. Name it and claim it.

Really? That's not named as a GIFT of the Spirit.

 

[swordsman1]

but they told you that .. and you not me suggested that its subjective .. so you choose to beleive it or not . your choosing to beleive direct scripture when it suits your preferred opinion . and rehecyt the same direct scriptures when it does not match your preferred opinion.. your following your own ways .. not christ .
it is amazing how many self identifying Christians are doing that -then you spend hours debating your opinions over and above the word of God instead of doing what the lord Jesus said . because in truth you dont actually believe what the lord Jesus said. IF you did you would go and do as he says

Just a personal vitriolic diatribe. So I won't be responding.

 

[W2L]

Really? That's not named as a GIFT of the Spirit.

I know that.

 

[SkyWriting]

Just a personal vitriolic diatribe. So I won't be responding.

......he says, responding.......

 

[Righttruth]

All the gifts have always been available. The fact that the gifts were hard to find was because those who ruled the churches throughout history (ie. ranting cessationist theologians) murdered every spirit led man they could find.

Like today, there is no way they would allow the Holy Spirit to lead and guide the flock because they knew their academic pride would be exposed and they would be unseated.

To be specific, the gibberish talk ceased, the rest has continued

 

[Deborah D]

To be specific, the gibberish talk ceased, the rest has continued

Edit: I'm not sure what you're saying. If by "gibberish" you mean praying in the Spirit, I completely disagree.

 

[Righttruth]

What did Paul say?

1 Corinthians 12: 31 But earnestly desire the greater gifts. And I show you a still more excellent way.
1 Corinthians 14:
1 Pursue love, yet desire earnestly spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy.