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The Bible doesn't say much about the composition of God's nature. So even the Trinitarian view can be wrong.
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The Bible doesn't say much about the composition of God's nature. So even the Trinitarian view can be wrong.There are an amazing amounts of heresy to be found within the pages of christianforums.com.
There is just as much scripture twisting here as there is on Atheist websites.
Unbelievable.
I'm okay with two, three, or four.God is the one Holy Spirit that joins all things together in love: Ephesians 4:16, Colossians 3:14, 1 John 4:8. So, ultimately, God is one: Galatians 3:20. After that we can subdivide God into as many numbers as we arbitrarily wish to do.
Jesus is the Head of the Body, and the Body is Many: Romans 12:4, 1 Corinthians 12:12, 1 Corinthians 12:20. So we can say "God is two" the man and the woman, the head and the body: Genesis 2:24, Ephesians 5:31, 1 Corinthians 6:16-17; Ephesians 5:23, Colossians 2:19. God is three; the Father, the Word and the Spirit: 1 John 5:7. God is four; the Father, the Son, the Spirit and the Bride: Revelation 22:17. God is five, six, seven, eight, a hundred, a thousand, a billion, a trillion, as countless as the sands of the seas, etc.
Yup.But, no matter how many, God is ultimately One.
The HOLY SPIRIT came forth fromJESUS came forth from
THE FATHER: the fullness of GOD made manifest in the flesh
I concluded it on my own, even though I'm sure they are others who share the same view.Dovaman, is that something you concluded entirely on your own or did you get the basics from another source?
I ask so I can look into that other source if that is the case.
You are also the biological manifestation of your mom and dad.An awful lot like a human fathers son, and they are two.
Or, "I am the fullness of my Dad made manifest in the flesh.". Meaning my Dad taught me well, and I accepted what I was taught of my own free will, and learned well, thus I am the fullness of him/his thoughts, even his looks to a point, in his image...but I am a separate entity with free will that chose to be the same as my Dad.
Just as we do with God, but not quit as well as Christ did..
Is the problem a biblical one?I fear, having perused this thread, that despite the heterodox (as against controversial) view expressed in the first post, I am pleased that some have recognised that there is a problem.
God isn't just sharing with us eternal life like that of the angels. God is sharing His own divine life with us.God became man, that we might share eternal life with him.
It is God who takes humanity into divinity.To my mind you aspire to to much when take humanity into divinity before the eschaton.
The Nicene Creed seeks to explain God's divine nature, but the Nicene Creed is not biblically accurate, in my opinion.I really wish a few more people were conversant with both the Creed of Constantinople, and the work of the Cappadocian Fathers who contributed so much towards the outstanding document we share - The Nicene Creed.
I agree, Man has indeed been integrated with God through Christ.Although our Lord Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man, it's not to say that it's a man possessing God. That is, it's not as if Jesus the man contains God in such a way that you could somehow extract God and then be left with Jesus as purely a man - a different person. (But rather, if you take God out of Jesus you're left with nothing - for Jesus is the Word incarnate)
Jesus' divine and human natures are distinct, yet fully integrated with one another.
Jesus is also the embodiment of Man (the bride of Christ) through the union of his divine Spirit in Man.Jesus is one person with two natures, so to say that there are 4 persons in the Godhead doesn't reflect what the Bible teaches regarding the Holy Godhead, which is Trinitarian (as we can best describe and relate to it)
In Christ the whole fullness of Man also dwells bodily.Colossians 2:9 explains that Jesus is fully God and fully man (which is very different from having the Holy Spirit):
"For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily"
Is the problem a biblical one?
If so, please show.
And please don't quote the Nicene Creed.
God isn't just sharing with us eternal life like that of the angels. God is sharing His own divine life with us.
It is God who takes humanity into divinity.
"His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness...so that through them you may participate in the divine nature" -- (2 Peter 1:3-4).
Those who are in Christ now share in God's divinity.
The Nicene Creed seeks to explain God's divine nature, but the Nicene Creed is not biblically accurate, in my opinion.
I do not agree. I am convinced that the Nicene Creed is a biblical statement - not of the whole faith - of the faith of the Church, and it's main purpose is to keep the faith of believers on the true path that Christ has set before us.The Nicene Creed seeks to explain God's divine nature, but the Nicene Creed is not biblically accurate, in my opinion.
The Father is Father and the Son is Son, but they are both God.God is God and Man is Man.
So does Jesus the Man.God has Omni qualities and His authority is unquestionably .
Jesus came as God in the form of Man at his first coming.God can decide to act or come in the form of man and not vise versa just as He did to Abraham in Gen.18:2 before going to Sodom and Gomorrah.
"His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness...so that through them you may participate in the divine nature" -- (2 Peter 1:3-4).The ancient Jewish perspective is that there were seven aspects of the Godhead, which Revelation seems to tentatively substantiate in mentioning the seven spirits of God. I can therefore buy into the plainly implied trinity, or the plausible notion of a heptinity, but what you're suggesting includes man as part of the Godhead.
Well, maybe not in your Bible, but it's in mine:Man, through his marriage to the lamb, becomes one flesh and spirit with Christ. However, we don't become God, or any part of God. This cannot be substantiated with scripture, even by inference.
I think it's much more than that.We are the wife. And although the wife is one with the husband, the principle is that we are still separate, though we are joined.
I do agree, though, that an argument could be made that the oneness of spirit we gain through the marriage taken in context with us being the body of Christ can potentially suggest this concept. It's like when Paul discusses laying with a prostitute. To join ourselves to a prostitute is to join Christ to a prostitute. So there is a possible contention for a true oneness of body and spirit.
Jesus did not become Man for himself.BUT, that version of the argument would not make us a fourth component to the Godhead. It would make us one person with Jesus Christ, thereby removing man from the equation altogether. In other words, we go from four identities, three divine and one mortal and stained, to only three entities, all divine, with the mortal, stained identity slain and eradicated.
It works for me.I like that you're thinking outside the box. I think it's an important exercise in expanding your overall understanding, assuming you accept the results of a comprehensive evaluation of your idea. But a quaternity doesn't really work.
I concluded it on my own, even though I'm sure they are others who share the same view.
God divine nature includes Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, but the Son is also the embodiment of Man, so Man is also included in God's divine nature.
Should read "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (which is the Eternal Trinity). Jesus never said he was the second person of the Trinity. He is a Son of Triune Deity.The second person of the Trinity is the living Word who became flesh and lived among us as Jesus, the Son.
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God...And the Word became flesh and made hHs dwelling among us. -- (John 1:1-14)
Should read "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (which is the Eternal Trinity). Jesus never said he was the second person of the Trinity. He is a Son of Triune Deity.
But God is an eternal Trinity, 1/3 of the Trinity didn't leave and become a human. And it would have been Aramaic translated into Greek.Ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.
This is the generally accepted Greek Text.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
This is the generally accepted English Translation.
Suggesting that the text should read something else appears speculative, and fraught with much danger.
Jesus and his disciples would have spoken Aramaic and taught in Aramaic. Johns understudy who wrote on his behalf in Greek would have translated from Aramaic. Revisions and edits were possible between the original anyway, we don't have any originals.God is an eternal Trinity.
For us and for our salvation he (the only Son of God) came down from heaven, was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary, and became truly human.
John's Gospel was written in Greek.
HE never said HE is a SON of triune deity eitherShould read "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (which is the Eternal Trinity). Jesus never said he was the second person of the Trinity. He is a Son of Triune Deity.
This is very impersonalJesus and his disciples would have spoken Aramaic and taught in Aramaic. Johns understudy who wrote on his behalf in Greek would have translated from Aramaic. Revisions and edits were possible between the original anyway, we don't have any originals.
And still, Triune doesn't segregate. A Son of Triune deity can and did incarnate.
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