The Purpose of the Rapture.

[Sorn]

And when God has persecuted the world in the past He has never removed His people... He prepared a way through tribulation but not a removal from tribulation.

He has never persecuted the world like He will at the Tribulation, except Noahs day where pretty much everyone died except those on the Ark, God made those few safe). There will be millions of Christians at the rapture, far easier for God to take them out of the World. Also He is ending the Dispensation of Grace then, very deliberately - the fullness of the gentiles.

 

[dwb001]

He has never persecuted the world like He will at the Tribulation, except Noahs day where pretty much everyone died except those on the Ark, God made those few safe). There will be millions of Christians at the rapture, far easier for God to take them out of the World. Also He is ending the Dispensation of Grace then, very deliberately - the fullness of the gentiles.

So God needs to do things the easy way?

And Dispensationalism is a silly theory so lets not even bring up that load of baggage.

Why would God change the way He does things?

 

[Sorn]

Right... but you are basing a theology on a single word that in the same passages uses a different word to show a difference.

How about you watch that video on the 7 churches, grab a coffee, milk, bottle of whisky, straw bale, whatever is your fancy & watch the video.

 

[dwb001]

How about you watch that video on the 7 churches, grab a coffee, milk, bottle of whisky, straw bale, whatever is your fancy & watch the video.

So you can not explain things?
I believe every one who has had an idea of the 7 churches has gotten it wrong.
Yes that makes me sound very arrogant but sometimes humility looks like pride.

Just use your own words so we can see how YOU understand the ideas of the 7 churches.

 

[Sorn]

So God needs to do things the easy way?

And Dispensationalism is a silly theory so lets not even bring up that load of baggage.

Why would God change the way He does things?

"Why would God change the way He does things?"
Um, because He is God & can do things however He wants. You think He is choosing the easy way out in my argument?? Perhaps He is, fine with me. Seems like He chose the hard way out on the cross though... so however He wants to do it is fine by me.

 

[Sorn]

So you can not explain things?
I believe every one who has had an idea of the 7 churches has gotten it wrong.
Yes that makes me sound very arrogant but sometimes humility looks like pride.

Just use your own words so we can see how YOU understand the ideas of the 7 churches.

I did explain it, i'll try s l o w e r,
the 7 churches are 7 congregations of Jews. The setting in post the rapture, the church is not on earth anymore, God is dealing with the Jews under the Law of Moses. He also judges the world then at the SAME time that the antichrist & the beast are wreaking their havoc on the world, hence why 'no good being here amigo!'. Luckily God spares the church this double whammy.

I'm not going to transcript the video, watch it if you want to know more.

 

[dwb001]

I did explain it, i'll try s l o w e r,
the 7 churches are 7 congregations of Jews. The setting in post the rapture, the church is not on earth anymore, God is dealing with the Jews under the Law of Moses. He also judges the world then at the SAME time that the antichrist & the beast are wreaking their havoc on the world, hence why 'no good being here amigo!'. Luckily God spares the church this double whammy.

I'm not going to transcript the video, watch it of you want to know more.

So lets go slow.
You have not provided any reference that shows that ekklesia ever refers to a synagogue.
You have not provided any reference that any rapture like event ever occurs.
You have not provided any reference that the Law of Moses is what is in place at the time you are referencing.
You have not provided any reference that backs you r "amigo" claims.
You have not provided any reference of a double whammy.

I am not going to bring a third party into the discussion that I can not question.
You are making these statements so I assume you can defend them.

 

[Sorn]

So lets go slow.
You have not provided any reference that shows that ekklesia ever refers to a synagogue.
You have not provided any reference that any rapture like event ever occurs.
You have not provided any reference that the Law of Moses is what is in place at the time you are referencing.
You have not provided any reference that backs you r "amigo" claims.
You have not provided any reference of a double whammy.

I am not going to bring a third party into the discussion that I can not question.
You are making these statements so I assume you can defend them.

What are you, a frustrated cop or something! This in't a dungeon & you are not my interrogator.
You are free to investigate and research the sources I gave you, i'm sure others who are true seekers will.
The channel from the 1st video has over 30 videos explaining the position of the rightly dividing theological approach , necessary as there is a lot of bad understanding to get rid off.

I'll do just 1 though and won't do any more Mr Interrogator:
The rapture - 1 Thess 4:17
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So that 2nd article & others like it (videos too) essentially argue that the 'falling away' bit in 2 Thess 2:3 is a mistranslation made in the KJV & carried over ever since. Before that the word, in english, old english etc, was departure.

So 2 Thess 2:3 should read "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a departure first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition"
1) So what day won't come - the day of the lord - 7 year tribulation except when
2) except when or until the 'departure' happens - not the falling away or departing from the faith but the departing from the world (the rapture)
3) Then the the man of sin (antichrist) is reveled

 

[dwb001]

What are you, a frustrated cop or something! This in't a dungeon & you are not my interrogator.
You are free to investigate and research the sources I gave you, i'm sure others who are true seekers will.
The channel from the 1st video has over 30 videos explaining the position of the rightly dividing theological approach , necessary as there is a lot of bad understanding to get rid off.

I'll do just 1 though and won't do any more Mr Interrogator:
The rapture - 1 Thess 4:17
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So you do not wish to answer the questions... so be it.
You just had to say you did not wish to defend your position.
Maybe the videos in question are the bad understanding that need to be got rid of.
But 1 Thess 4:17 is has no time reference and is actually most patterned as Rev 20:12-13.
So you still have not placed a rapture event before the 7 letters to the churches.
Most rapture preachers at least place the rapture event at the Rev 4:1 mark (another silly teaching).
So you place the rapture at what point in Revelation?

I am not interrogating you. Just asking questions. You are free to answer or not, but please be respectful of persons who hold different opinions.

 

[Sorn]

So you do not wish to answer the questions... so be it.
You just had to say you did not wish to defend your position.
Maybe the videos in question are the bad understanding that need to be got rid of.
But 1 Thess 4:17 is has no time reference and is actually most patterned as Rev 20:12-13.
So you still have not placed a rapture event before the 7 letters to the churches.
Most rapture preachers at least place the rapture event at the Rev 4:1 mark (another silly teaching).
So you place the rapture at what point in Revelation?

I am not interrogating you. Just asking questions. You are free to answer or not, but please be respectful of persons who hold different opinions.

I edited my previous post #68 to add a bit more info
You may be asking questions but your avatar looks like you may be mocking people & the more you ask the more the impression.

Honestly i don't want to and am not prepared to write one of those super long posts with umpteen references you see from time to time to defend a position.

I've been watching those videos for a few months, gradually getting to know them. They may be wrong but so far they fit scripture better than most any other approach I have seen. All the bible references are in the videos, each video is worth a decent home group study or two so clearly not going to happen in a thread post

 

[dwb001]

I edited my previous post #68 to add a bit more info
You, may be asking questions but your avatar looks like you may be mocking people & the more you ask the more the impression.
Honestly i don't want to and am not prepared to write one of those super long posts with umpteen references you see from time to time to defend a position. I've been watching those videos for a few months, gradually getting to know them. They may be wrong but so far they fit scripture better than most any other approach I have seen. All the bible references are in the videos, each video is worth a decent home group study or two so clearly not going to happen in a thread post

I am not asking for a long post.
I am asking you to back up your claims.
You don't want to.
That is fine.
I will still ask my questions.
You can still refuse to defend your opinions.

 

[Sorn]

I am not interrogating you. Just asking questions. You are free to answer or not, but please be respectful of persons who hold different opinions.

This is not respectful:

this is, replying to the same post

yet clearly, as shown, the word church was not the original word in the bible

 

[dwb001]

This is not respectful:
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this is, replying to the same post
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yet clearly, as shown, the word church was not the original word in the bible

So asking you a question to clarify your opinion is not respectful?
I do not understand that at all.
Did I call you names? Did I mischaracterize your views?
Please explain to me exactly how me asking you a question was disrespectful.

Now accusing someone of being disrespectful when they were not... well that sounds like disrespect.

 

[Sorn]

So asking you a question to clarify your opinion is not respectful?
I do not understand that at all.
Did I call you names? Did I mischaracterize your views?
Please explain to me exactly how me asking you a question was disrespectful.

Now accusing someone of being disrespectful when they were not... well that sounds like disrespect.

Making a statement like "You think a church is filled with Jews and a synagogue is filled with Christians?" is making a judgemental statement, in effect saying what kind of idiot thinks churches have Jews & synagogue's have Christians since its common knowledge its the exact opposite.

As opposed to the way dfw69 put it, completely different approach - hence why i responded to his question.

 

[dwb001]

Making a statement like "You think a church is filled with Jews and a synagogue is filled with Christians?" is making a judgemental statement, in effect saying what kind of idiot thinks churches have Jews & synagogue's have Christians since its common knowledge its the exact opposite.

As opposed to the way dfw69 put it, completely different approach - hence why i responded to his question.

If you will notice the question mark at the end of my "statement", that would make it not a statement but a question.
You are the only one calling yourself an idiot.

 

[Sorn]

If you will notice the question mark at the end of my "statement", that would make it not a statement but a question.
You are the only one calling yourself an idiot.

question or statement (your'e being pedantic now) the same attitude comes through, just saying

 

[Clare73]

Actually the Body of Christ will be taken to heaven where with Christ they will judge the world system and fallen angels. (1 Cor. 6: 2 & 3) Then at the end of the trib, the Lord will come to the earth and judge the nations. He will then set up his rulership through Israel over the nations, (Jer. 30: 9, Isa. 66: 21) and return to His seat of power and authority to rule over all as His Father appointed. (Eph. 1: 21)

Not according to apostolic teaching which locates the resurrection, rapture and judgment together, and
where no time location is given in 1 Co 6:2-3, and the prophecies of Jer and Isa are riddles (Nu 12:1-8), subject to more than one interpretation, yours not being in agreement with the following apostolic teaching authoritative to the church on the matter.

Paul locates the resurrection with the rapture (1 Th 4:16).
Jesus locates the rapture with the second coming (Mt 24:39-41).
Jesus locates the second coming with the judgment of the sheep and goats (Mt 25:31-33).

 

[dwb001]

question or statement (your'e being pedantic now) the same attitude comes through, just saying

I pose an actual question and you decide to take offense.
That is your choice and and I wish you the best with that attitude.
By the way there were many Christians that went to synagogue.
So the question has merit.
But I think this exchange has shown more of your character than an answer to my question ever would have.

 

[dwb001]

Not according to apostolic teaching which locates the resurrection, rapture and judgment together, and
where no time location is given in 1 Co 6:2-3, and the prophecies of Jer and Isa are riddles (Nu 12:1-8), subject to more than one interpretation, yours not being in agreement with the following apostolic teaching authoritative to the church on the matter.

Paul locates the resurrection with the rapture (1 Th 4:16).
Jesus locates the rapture with the second coming (Mt 24:39-41).
Jesus locates the second coming with the judgment of the sheep and goats (Mt 25:31-33).

And that lines up with Rev 20:12-13.

Nice line of reasoning.

 

[Sorn]

I pose an actual question and you decide to take offense.
That is your choice and and I wish you the best with that attitude.
By the way there were many Christians that went to synagogue.
So the question has merit.
But I think this exchange has shown more of your character than an answer to my question ever would have.

Your 'question' insinuated I was 'confused' (at best & thats being kind).
I didn't take offence, again, another judgement from you. I didn't like it though so didn't respond.
You last line is once again, confrontational and judgemental in nature - my character, yeah, don't like to be disrespected, no one does, you brought it up though in Post#69