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Once again, God gave us the ability to choose because love is a choice. Forced love is not love at all. It's rape. And God is not a divine rapist.
Indeed - if humanity doesn´t function well in regards to its purpose it´s bad (i.e. poorly designed). Just like a knife that´s created to cut but doesn´t.
Not according to mine.
Yes, as opposed to a possibly existing subjective purpose invented by a transcendent creator entity.
So, as predicted, you keep pointing out how your own analogy doesn´t apply - neither in your view nor in mine we are comparable to knifes and rocks - we are conscious creator-entities.
If he were, he would still be"objectively good and right" - according to your previous post. So you better abstain from modelling him after your subjective moral views.
Great! Then for what purpose did humanity come to exist? Don't worry, I have time.
He can't. Forced love is self contradictory like a round square or a married bachelor.
And again, there are only two option . Either we're like knives because we were created and designed for a specific purpose. Or we're like rocks that are created by nature through natural means and are void of created purpose. If you cannot agree with that then you are wrong and delusional. Was humanity created for a purpose or not?
Humm…. so where should I start?
If a rock is flat and smooth thus good for skipping, that is an objective quality is it not? If it is heavy thus good for a paperweight, that is an objective quality; it is not? The person taking ownership of the rock subjectively determines the value of the objective quality of the rock.
I never suggested the value of a rock was anything other than subjective, however it could depend on the rock; if the rock is a diamond……
Says who? Where is it written that an intelligent creation cannot make the decision as to it’s purpose?
I’m talking about freewill here; a mother does not give her son the freewill to touch a hot stove.
Love has no fundamental properties. It is a name we give to a category of behaviors. It is due to a sense of a need for coherent communication that we nearly mean the same thing by the term. I'd venture that no 2 people have an identical set of qualities that define love.
Obviously, for everything humanity does and can do.
We aren´t comparable to neither. We are experiencing, thinking, feeling, creating, purposefully acting entities - unlike knives or rocks.
I´m just not following your irrelevant false dichotomy.
I don´t know. I don´t think so. But more importantly, I don´t care - since if we have been created for a purpose (like a knife, for example), the purpose would be observable in what we do and are capable of.
In order to avoid semantic quibbles, let me reword my post: According to your line of reasoning, God could have given creation the purpose "rape", and rape would be the "objective" purpose, as well as "good and right".
No, the Christian God is the moral standard and judge of the universe, irrespective of whether you believe in Him or not.
You dont know this, your bias is just making you assume this. Ancient Israel was one of the most morally and politically advanced societies at the time.
Neither did the Japanese. You have yet to prove anything is wrong without an objective standard.
No, it is well known that drugs, indigestion, and hormones can make people act very differently and even change their views on many things including morality during the period that they are exposed
Give me an example of a human nature that we are incapable of changing.
I see people usually sitting with people from their neighborhood (which is often divided among race) but nobody is vilified for sitting next to someone of a different race.
So because you say so; that makes it so? Well 2 can play that game; how’s this!
Are you familiar with all of the societies 2000 years ago? Admit it; your bias is making you assume this.
Because somebody said God allowed it??? If his fellow Hebrews had an ounce of integrity, they would have defended the victim, cursed the kidnapper, and cursed anybody claiming God would allow this evil.
Numbers 31:18
That’s other people; I’m talking about me. Again; I know the difference between emotional pain and physical pain.
Well it took me practically no time and energy to refute Ken that in the texts he referenced there was anything about rape. And I have refuted others pretty easily that the Bible does not condone slavery, in fact it was a strong force against slavery in Western societies. And the claim that the Bible condones genocide I have also easily refuted without spending much time and energy.
If they arise from the Creator of the universe's objectively existing moral character, then they do have an objective basis which secular morality does not have. God's moral character exists outside the human mind, so therefore it is objective.
Yes, we have them in propositional form that can in most cases be easily understood when studied in the grammatico-historical context. And there is strong evidence that that written communication has a divine origin.
We generally learn this when we get to know Him personally, but there is also scientific evidence that points to following Christian morality is best for humans.
Christian moral philosophy has none of those characteristics.
Well, if God had established that the sole purpose for sex was procreation, rape would then be good because it fulfills and promotes that purpose. However, according to scripture, that is not what the purpose of sex is. Scripture explains that sex is a manifestation of love shared between a husband and wife. Since love is a choice that cannot be forced, rape goes against it's divine purpose. Thus, rape is evil.
