No; I don’t dismiss higher education that way, I dismiss YOUR (so called) higher education that way. When you claim to be of higher education, yet spit out a bunch of nonsense that is not used in the real world; what else am I supposed to call it? I don’t need a PHD to recognize B.S. when I hear it!
Why is it whenever I have these types of conversations with you guys, you almost always eventually get to the point of insisting I use faith, or have some type of religion. Why is that? Why do you guys seem to struggle with accepting I am no more than I claim to be? Why do you have to try to make me out to be like you? I’M NOT!!! If you told me you believe some bearded guy who lived in the clouds is looking over everybody’s shoulder keepin’ score; I would accept that as what you believe! Why can’t you do the same for me? When I tell you what I don’t believe, you feel a need to create a belief and accuse me of believing it! Why do you guys insist on doing this? Could it be because as an atheist I don’t have to defend anybody’s beliefs and actions other than my own? But as a Theist it is your job to defend absurd claims, and you don’t want to be the only one in the conversation to have to do this? C’mon tell the truth! Why???
But how can a subjective being get knowledge of objective truth and X? Oh yeah; only via communication from whatever IS a true reference point; right? But who is this true reference point? Lemme guess….. Humm…. perhaps YOUR concept of God? Not anybody else's concept of God, or those who don’t communicate with God’s at all; only yours and those who share your belief; right??? So according to you, Christians are the only ones on Earth capable of knowing objective truth, because their God only communicates to them, nobody else! But then, as a human, how do you know your idea of God is a true reference point? How do you know he is not lying to you??? Oh yeah; FAITH!!! Look Chief! If you want to believe you and your kind know everything and nobody else does; that’s cool but don’t expect everybody else to.
Ken, sadly you’re at it again.
No; I don’t dismiss higher education that way, I dismiss YOUR (so called) higher education that way. When you claim to be of higher education, yet spit out a bunch of garbage that is not used in the real world; what else am I supposed to call it? I don’t need a PHD to recognize B.S. when I hear it!
This is “priceless.” On what grounds do you “
dismiss [my] (so called) higher education?” What degree do you possess whereby you are qualified to make determinations that “my” education is not to par? And, this speaks to your arrogance since this indictment also includes the University and the Doctoral Board who granted my PhD.
Hysterical! You really don’t know when to “come in out of the rain.” If you only realized that the further this discussion goes on you appear more and more childish.
Of course, when the uneducated term what is “spit out” from the educated class as “garbage and B.S.” is because the uneducated have no idea what they are discussing. On what grounds can you claim that anything is B.S.? What education can you demonstrate makes you qualified to determine this? The only answer, once again, is that you make the definitions. I hope that you come to some semblance of sensibility because you’ve sufficiently demonstrated that you have no idea what you are discussing. You’ve justified your faith by “belief” and “assumption” and you’ve provided no basis whereby you can demonstrate that your “belief” and “assumption” are based in objective truths. These are the simple facts from our discussion. I do appreciate the laughs though.
Why is it whenever I have these types of conversations with you guys, you almost always eventually get to the point of insisting I use faith, or have some type of religion. Why is that? Why do you guys seem to struggle with accepting I am no more than I claim to be? Why do you have to try to make me out to be like you? I’M NOT!!! If you told me you believe some bearded guy who lived in the clouds is looking over everybody’s shoulder keepin’ score; I would accept that as what you believe! Why can’t you do the same for me? When I tell you what I don’t believe, you feel a need to create a belief and accuse me of believing it! Why do you guys insist on doing this? Could it be because as an atheist I don’t have to defend anybody’s beliefs and actions other than my own? But as a Theist it is your job to defend absurd claims, and you don’t want to be the only one in the conversation to have to do this? C’mon tell the truth! Why???
While I cannot speak for anyone else who clearly understands you better than you do yourself, the answer to why I call you a person of faith is simple. It is because you are a person of faith. While I’ve come to know that you only understand the world when you dictate the terms, nonetheless, those of us in the “unreal world, with subpar educations (as determined by Ken)” have to justify our positions. I know, I know, that PhD standard is too strict for the kindergarten set but, it is the standard that our universities, our legal system, our medical system, etc. are based upon. Alas, poor Ken, you don’t get to make the rules. As I began with my first response to your first post to me; the rules equally apply to you.
Sadly, as hard as you try, you do not get to make the rules. In fact, you clearly are not educated enough to even have a say. And, since the rules equally apply to you and due to the fact that you’ve only posited “
assumption in empirical experiences” and “
belief in your perceived experiences” and that “
just because you know something doesn’t mean you are right, it only means you perceive it as truth; which means you could still be wrong” the only truly logical, non-B.S., non-garbage, etc. conclusion to draw is that since you have no basis to know that you are holding that these subjective truths are objectively true, is by faith. It is clear that you were not raised well enough to be honest with yourself but, that does not change the only logical conclusion to be drawn from your words.
But how can a subjective being get knowledge of objective truth and X? Oh yeah; only via communication from whatever IS a true reference point; right?
What other way can you offer? And, whatever you offer must withstand the same scrutiny. I have subjected my positions to the same scrutiny as I expected of you. Sadly, you have not reciprocated.
But who is this true reference point? Lemme guess….. Humm…. perhaps YOUR concept of God? Not anybody else's concept of God, or those who don’t communicate with God’s at all; only yours and those who share your belief; right??? So according to you, Christians are the only ones on Earth capable of knowing objective truth, because their God only communicates to them, nobody else! But then, as a human, how do you know your idea of God is a true reference point? How do you know he is not lying to you??? Oh yeah; FAITH!!!
This was actually pretty good inference from you. Sadly, your conclusions have many flaws but, this is better than anything else that you’ve written.
Look Chief! If you want to believe you and your kind know everything and nobody else does; that’s cool but don’t expect everybody else to.
Sadly, your childish behaviors rear their ugly head again. I haven’t “expected” anything of you other than that you live by the same standards that you demand of the Christian. And, to date, you’ve failed to live to the same standards. Again, it is of no consequence to me what your faith is but, I do expect you to have some semblance of integrity. I’m still hopeful for that.
Respectfully,
T R-R
