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The problem of Objective Morality. and why even biblical speaking it is subjective

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BarWi

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With god, there is only obedience to perceived authority, and no morality.
I believe objective morality is derived from one, easy to understand source that should hold in all possible worlds: Truth.

Truth is intuitively always preferable to the false. Morality is just a word we use to define the tension and resistance the false imposes on the true. Morality is thus derived from a reality of mixed truth and falsity. If one removes the false, morality vanishes. If the false is removed, truth conveys that quality inherent in it: perfection.

The subjective aspects of morality, some of which were offered in the op, are examples of mutable truth--which stands in deference to and is ever and always supervised by Truth [capitalized to indicate the absolute]. This holds for factual and moral existence imo. My two pesos, anyway.
 
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I believe objective morality is derived from one, easy to understand source that should hold in all possible worlds: Truth.
If that were the case, all reasonable people would agree on moral issues; the fact that they don't should tell you something.
 
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To reject the obvious would be his choice. My point is; I can demonstrate that the shape of the Earth is of a Sphere shape rather than flat, because the shape of the Earth is objective; not subjective.

But you can't demonstrate it to everyone. That's the point - even if something is objectively true, there will be people who will deny it.
 
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If that were the case, all reasonable people would agree on moral issues; the fact that they don't should tell you something.
You seem to be mistaking "reasonable" for wholly "truth-bearing". Disagreement is evidence of falsification, i.e., human agents exist in a fragmentally falsified reality. This follows from the fact that falsity creates tension and resistance in juxtaposition to truth.

I should mention; I use this abstract, unorthodox description of truth:

A dynamic quality inherent in the essence or information of all existents. Energy, matter, particularity and vivacity/animation are just a few of truth’s dynamic modes: the first two exist in factual reality, the second in both factual and normative, and the last in normative realms only. Truth’s nature is perfection. A fundamental feature of its dynamic is attraction1, truth in particulars and their properties exist in states of active, positive influence with truth states in others such that constituents are inclined to structure the perfection of the wholes they constitute and, causally, wholes naturally seek perfection in their relations and relationships to other wholes unless prevented from so doing. Phylogenetics, if it holds, would be due natural structuring of things in conformity to their interacting truth content.

This potency of truth in parts and wholes naturally works in cooperation with and under the supervision of external, unchangeable truth [Form]. This collaboration assures practical, operational and functional perfection of the operation of parts within their structures and wholes within their categorical systems.

organism:
any complex thing or system having properties and functions determined not only by the properties and relations of its individual parts, but by the character of the whole they compose and by the relations of the parts to the whole.

Proper function and ordering in the above definition would be explicated by the dynamic of truth-inherence in the essence of things. Verification of the truth principle can be evidenced in the various functions of truth: coherence, correspondence, unity, consistency, harmony, accord, etc.
1. Attraction is used here not in the same sense as attraction found between material things (though this is one form of truth-attraction). Rather, truth attraction is more along the lines of “proper ordering” among particulars, properties and their relations. Thus, the incompatibility of positive and negative electrical charges is a function of proper ordering between truth energies in different forms, resulting in their natural repulsion.
 
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But you can't demonstrate it to everyone. That's the point
But you can demonstrate it to everyone. You can take anybody in a rocket, enter outer space, and show them the shape of the Earth! Now this isn't going to prevent an unreasonable person from denying the obvious, it was still demonstrated to him.

- even if something is objectively true, there will be people who will deny it.
Just because an unreasonable person denies the truth, doesn't mean the truth hasn't been demonstrated to him
 
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But you can demonstrate it to everyone. You can take anybody in a rocket, enter outer space, and show them the shape of the Earth! Now this isn't going to prevent an unreasonable person from denying the obvious, it was still demonstrated to him.


Just because an unreasonable person denies the truth, doesn't mean the truth hasn't been demonstrated to him
A lot of people every day deny the truth, both unreasonable people, and reasonable people. Does that matter ?
 
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You seem to be mistaking "reasonable" for wholly "truth-bearing". Disagreement is evidence of falsification, i.e., human agents exist in a fragmentally falsified reality. This follows from the fact that falsity creates tension and resistance in juxtaposition to truth.
But an objective truth cannot be falsified. Can math be falsified? Can the effects of gravity be falsified? if something can be proven false, I don't think you can call it objective.
 
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Yahweh the Only Creator, the Almighty, in His Word says clearly that the whole society/world is deceived.

Objectively and subjectively this is truth, with no change since the first century, actually since long before the first century,

yet reasonable people (are there any reasonable people around today?)
and unreasonable people deny this.
 
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Yahweh the Only Creator, the Almighty, in His Word says clearly that the whole society/world is deceived.

Objectively and subjectively this is truth, with no change since the first century, actually since long before the first century,
Can you demonstrate this as an objective truth? Or is this just your subjective opinion.

yet reasonable people (are there any reasonable people around today?)
and unreasonable people deny this.
What are reasonable and unreasonable people denying? Are they denying that he actually said this? Or that what he said is the truth.
 
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He does that quite well for Himself. Ask Him. If He likes you, maybe He will help you.
He sends rain and sunshine on the righteous,
AND on the unrighteous,
so He might help you (or already is, actually), even if He doesn't like you.
Yahweh does not communicate with me. Again; prove he said all of that stuff and that it is the truth.
 
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2 Corinthians 2:15-17 Common English Bible (CEB)
15 We smell like the aroma of Christ’s offering to God, both to those who are being saved and to those who are on the road to destruction. 16 We smell like a contagious dead person to those who are dying, but we smell like the fountain of life to those who are being saved.

Who is qualified for this kind of ministry? 17 We aren’t like so many people who hustle the word of God to make a profit. We are speaking through Christ in the presence of God, as those who are sincere and as those who are sent from God.


Common English Bible (CEB)
Copyright © 2011 by Common English Bible

 
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2 Corinthians 2:15-17 Common English Bible (CEB)
15 We smell like the aroma of Christ’s offering to God, both to those who are being saved and to those who are on the road to destruction. 16 We smell like a contagious dead person to those who are dying, but we smell like the fountain of life to those who are being saved.

Who is qualified for this kind of ministry? 17 We aren’t like so many people who hustle the word of God to make a profit. We are speaking through Christ in the presence of God, as those who are sincere and as those who are sent from God.


Common English Bible (CEB)
Copyright © 2011 by Common English Bible

Quoting the Bible doesn't prove anything to be the truth. Care to try again?
 
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