The problem of evil

[ToddNotTodd]

Well, I can't argue with that. It frustrates me too. But I still find the idea that every atheist on this forum has been 100% honest is absurd. And for Todd to refuse to admit it is in itself "dishonest" and stubborn. This is the last I will talk about this subject because it is woefully off topic.

I didn't actually say that every atheist on this forum has been 100% honest. I said I hadn't seen any dishonesty. So in actuality, you're (again) being the one that's "dishonest and stubborn".

And you're not going to respond to my post refuting your claim of another poster's dishonesty, are you?

How about responding to my posts that deal with the topic? You know, like I've asked before and you've ignored...

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

I didn't actually say that every atheist on this forum has been 100% honest. I said I hadn't seen any dishonesty. So in actuality, you're (again) being the one that's "dishonest and stubborn".

You are arguing with Miss Eelhsa and her comments that dishonesty is found on both sides while making insulting accusations about Christians. Yet every time she responds to your accusations you take that as an opportunity to argue with her.

And you're not going to respond to my post refuting your claim of another poster's dishonesty, are you?

I am really trying but I am having trouble with my app in linking the posts. At this point I don't think it's worth the trouble.

How about responding to my posts that deal with the topic? You know, like I've asked before and you've ignored...

I am sorry I have to brake the news to you. Some people, such as myself, do not think you are worth their time since you really don't want answers to anything other than to give you more fuel to argue. I am dusting the dirt off my sandals and moving on. You are now on my ignore list. Have a good day.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

You are now on my ignore list. Have a good day.

Color me unsurprised. If you can't accept that your arguments are flawed, it's much easier to plug your ears.

 

[bangmegafan]

"Dave Ellis, post: 69749599, member: 298910"]If he can't be known or understood, then how do you know he's holy, perfect and more knowledgeable?

My comment: Simple! He created sky, earth and all the creatures including u and myself so perfectly. Your heart is beating because of his blessings. We are debating over this topic because of the knowledge that he gave to us. I know him 95%. I said he is not known/understood for the remaining 5%. You tell me if not God, who else can do this.

Sure it will, if you claim he's omnibenevolent, but allows suffering, then we know your god is not actually omnibenevolent. That increases our understanding and can disprove some interpretations of god.

My comment: Out of 100, only 5 people are suffering. I have also suffered before knowing god around 3 months back. I understand him through my suffering. Otherwise, I could have completely forgotten him. Remaining 5 people out of 100 will also receive God blessings if they believe in him. Even if they are not free from those problems in this earthly life, eternity is ensured for them if they believe him

That's a testable claim, and one that has been disproven. There have been plenty of terminal cancer patients with people faithfully praying over them, and they don't get any better.

My comment: Pls re-read above. We can't blame God because of those 5 among 100. And I can say that many have been recovered.

That's a convenient way of giving credit to god when things go your way, and deflecting responsibility from god when things don't go your way. God can't possibly lose with that mindset.

My comment : have u ever come across any struggle in ur life through which u got benefited eventually? Those who are suffering with problems should talk to god and ask god why are they suffering. Then god not only answer them but also heals them.

I have seen plenty of people abandon their beliefs in god, virtually every atheist on this forum falls into that category.

My comment: That is sad part of the story! You can leave your father when you don't receive your gift. But you will come back to him because u will suffer more and you realize your father is still with you

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[FrumiousBandersnatch]

"Dave Ellis, post: 69749599, member: 298910"]If he can't be known or understood, then how do you know he's holy, perfect and more knowledgeable?

My comment: Simple! He created sky, earth and all the creatures including u and myself so perfectly. Your heart is beating because of his blessings. We are debating over this topic because of the knowledge that he gave to us. I know him 95%. I said he is not known/understood for the remaining 5%. You tell me if not God, who else can do this.
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Perhaps you could persuade your God to give you knowledge of the forum's quote facility? without it your posts are unnecessarily confusing to read.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

...Some people, such as myself, do not think you are worth their time since you really don't want answers to anything other than to give you more fuel to argue...

Um, this is the philosophy forum; making arguments is what it's all about.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

Um, this is the philosophy forum; making arguments is what it's all about.

I'm thinking of pasting in the statement of purpose for this board at the end of every post. Because there's a lot of non-Philosophy going on around here...

 

[Loudmouth]

Not only is plagiarizing dishonest, why would you waste your time on a forum just copy-pasting things from websites to argue your points? Makes no sense. It's almost as if he doesn't understand the arguments himself.

At times I wonder if people are convinced by really flashy bovine excrement just because they don't understand it. They figure that since it convinced them, it might very well convince others. I have seen students try this method, try to wow the audience with a bunch of big words and fancy pictures. However, a few well worded and basic questions usually cause their entire house to crumble to the ground. The same for many creationists we see on these forums.

 

[amariselle]

At times I wonder if people are convinced by really flashy bovine excrement just because they don't understand it. They figure that since it convinced them, it might very well convince others. I have seen students try this method, try to wow the audience with a bunch of big words and fancy pictures. However, a few well worded and basic questions usually cause their entire house to crumble to the ground. The same for many creationists we see on these forums.

Interesting, I've seen that from both sides. Whatever people choose to do I guess.

 

[ToddNotTodd]

At times I wonder if people are convinced by really flashy bovine excrement just because they don't understand it. They figure that since it convinced them, it might very well convince others. I have seen students try this method, try to wow the audience with a bunch of big words and fancy pictures. However, a few well worded and basic questions usually cause their entire house to crumble to the ground. The same for many creationists we see on these forums.

It's comforting to be able to prop up your beliefs with what you consider evidence. Whether or not that evidence is actually true doesn't matter to those that need it to be true.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I will have to look into those particular hoaxes. It is honestly no surprise to me however that science has also been dishonest. Like I said, it's a HUMAN issue, it is not confined to one particular set of beliefs or viewpoints.

Do you know who exposed those hoaxes? Scientists, doing science.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

I will not deny that there can be issues with "religious dogma". However, it is false to say that Christians are never open to "evidence."

I don't think close-mindedness is an honest approach to anything, not to science, and not to the Christian faith either.

Dogma is the issue. How can one approach such matters honestly and openly if one is not willing to accept the possibility of error or the need for conceptual revision?

 

[bangmegafan]

Perhaps you could persuade your God to give you knowledge of the forum's quote facility? without it your posts are unnecessarily confusing to read.

Ok, I might not use quote facility coz I'm new to forum. But I'm pretty sure, u r too intelligent and can understand what I have written. Perhaps u don't have any answer to my post

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[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Ok, I might not use quote facility coz I'm new to forum. But I'm pretty sure, u r too intelligent and can understand what I have written.

It's up to you; others here do it, it's not difficult.

Perhaps u don't have any answer to my post

Was there a question? Sorry, I must have missed it.

 

[bangmegafan]

It's up to you; others here do it, it's not difficult.
Was there a question? Sorry, I must have missed it.

In fact, I didn't ask you anything in my first post also. But your guys have asked too many questions. I have clarified them in my previous post. If you don't have any more questions, I can assume you are convinced with my responses

Pls come back to our father and believe in god

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[amariselle]

Do you know who exposed those hoaxes? Scientists, doing science.

And do you know who perpetrated them? Other scientists doing science. Interesting how that works. Apparently not all science is as truthful and honest as we've been led to believe.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

And do you know who perpetrated them? Other scientists doing science. Interesting how that works. Apparently not all science is as truthful and honest as we've been led to believe.

But they weren't doing science, at least not good science. Being honest and open in one's approach to such matters is essential to good science.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

But they weren't doing science, at least not good science. Being honest and open in one's approach to such matters is essential to good science.

You do know that there are a lot of scientists who are Christian...right? How do you know it wasn't Christian scientists who reported the science frauds?...[emoji4]

 

[amariselle]

But they weren't doing science, at least not good science. Being honest and open in one's approach to such matters is essential to good science.

Ah, Science apologetics. Why should I accept your defense of science? You do not accept Christian apologetics. You know, when Christians try to tell you and other non-Christians that anyone who claims to be a Christian and yet kills or does something hateful or violent in Jesus' name is not being a good or true Christian at all?

Same argument. Yet you choose to believe one and reject the other.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Ah, Science apologetics.

Unlike religion, science doesn't need apologetics. But it does need those who appreciate the work of science to dispel myths, misconceptions, and pseudoscience, which incidentally often comes from religion (e.g., creationism).

Why should I accept your defense of science? You do not accept Christian apologetics. You know, when Christians try to tell you and other non-Christians that anyone who claims to be a Christian and yet kills or does something hateful or violent in Jesus' name is not being a good or true Christian at all?

Because that is fallacious. You don't know that they aren't being a "true Christian." They certainly think that they are. By contrast, we have ways of showing that a scientist's work is of poor quality, and we have processes for evaluating their scholarship. Your evaluative processes are tied to your theology, which is not universal even among your fellow Christians.