The problem of evil

[Dave Ellis]

Like putting the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil out of reach

Or even better, why even bother considering the ludicrous notion that you gain knowledge about good and evil from eating a piece of fruit?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

In this ridiculously long and drawn out response, you failed to answer my question.

I am aware Christian theology says sin entered through Adam and Eve, that's not what I asked.

I asked if you believe it's just to punish people for the crimes their ancestors committed?




So basically your response is this all happened because god is a narcissist. Ok.

I am sorry if that is all out got out of it. Is there anything else I can help you with?

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[Dave Ellis]

I am sorry if that is all out got out of it. Is there anything else I can help you with?

Well, that's all it ultimately boils down to. If this is all created to show off god's glory, that makes him a narcissist. A particularly vile one as well if it involves billions of people going to hell due to his design.

You haven't responded on whether you believe it's just to punish people for the crimes of their ancestors.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

You haven't responded on whether you believe it's just to punish people for the crimes of their ancestors.

Natural sin is simply the "desire" to sin. Not sin itself. We are not punished for desiring to sin. We are punished for the sin itself.

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[ToddNotTodd]

Yes He does have the power to create humans that do not choose to do evil.

Given the suffering that takes place due to humans choosing to do evil, do you believe that a god who doesn't create humans who don't choose to do evil can be called "good"?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Given the suffering that takes place due to humans choosing to do evil, do you believe that a god who doesn't create humans who don't choose to do evil can be called "good"?

God would be good regardless.

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[Dave Ellis]

Natural sin is simply the "desire" to sin. Not sin itself. We are not punished for desiring to sin. We are punished for the sin itself.

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When did I say anything about desiring to sin, or anything like that?

It's a very simple question I'm asking here. What's the problem?

Do you believe it's just to punish people for the crimes of their ancestors?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

When did I say anything about desiring to sin, or anything like that?

It's a very simple question I'm asking here. What's the problem?

Do you believe it's just to punish people for the crimes of their ancestors?

I am not in the position to say that anything God does or does not do unjust.

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[Dave Ellis]

I am not in the position to say that anything God does or does not do unjust.

But yet, if you believed his actions were just I doubt you'd be so hesitant to answer.

In essence, you answered without answering. That's good enough.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Why create the tree in the first place?

Because it's just an allegory, a morality tale?

Read post #826.

TL;DR

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Or even better, why even bother considering the ludicrous notion that you gain knowledge about good and evil from eating a piece of fruit?

That's how morality tales work. Seems to me that the people it was addressed to would have understood that; theirs was a mainly oral culture based on narrative mixtures of history, fiction, morality tales, and folklore. They may not have made as clear distinctions between those categories as we do, but they'd know a morality lesson when they heard one.

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

But yet, if you believed his actions were just I doubt you'd be so hesitant to answer.

In essence, you answered without answering. That's good enough.

You asked if it is just to punish people for the crimes of their ancestors. You did not specifically say who is punishing whom for what reason. If it is God doing the punishing, the answer is yes... it is just because God is just. Is there anything else I can help you with.

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[Dave Ellis]

You asked if it is just to punish people for the crimes of their ancestors. You did not specifically say who is punishing whom for what reason. If it is God doing the punishing, the answer is yes... it is just because God is just. Is there anything else I can help you with.

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What if it's anyone else punishing anyone else for the crimes of their ancestors?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

What if it's anyone else punishing anyone else for the crimes of their ancestors?

Who is getting punished for the crimes of their ancestors?

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[ToddNotTodd]

God would be good regardless.

Then the issue is, similarly to your non-standard definition of "meaning", you're using a definition of "good" that I (and most likely every non theist here) see as the antithesis of the common meaning of "good". Which makes any meaningful discussion about the topic impossible, since the result can only be arguing about definitions.

 

[Dave Ellis]

Who is getting punished for the crimes of their ancestors?

Does that matter? You're evading the question.

Is it moral for any person who is not god to punish other people for the crimes of their ancestors?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Does that matter? You're evading the question.

Is it moral for any person who is not god to punish other people for the crimes of their ancestors?

Are you getting punished for the crimes of your ancestors?

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[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

Does that matter? You're evading the question.

Is it moral for any person who is not god to punish other people for the crimes of their ancestors?

Yes

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[Dave Ellis]

Are you getting punished for the crimes of your ancestors?

Red Herring

 

[Dave Ellis]

Yes

Under what circumstance is it moral or ethical to punish someone for the crimes of their ancestors?