The problem of evil

[Loudmouth]

Riiiiiiiiight! Because the courts side with the person abused by the cops so much of the time, huh?

You are aware that the US Constitution gives the courts the power to determine what is and isn't a violation of constitutional rights, correct?

Can you please point me to the article in the US Constitution where it says random people on internet forums determine what is and isn't constitutional?

 

[Aldebaran]

You are aware that the US Constitution gives the courts the power to determine what is and isn't a violation of constitutional rights, correct?

You are aware that a court can have it's own political bent and completely disregard what the constitution says about something when they make their ruling, correct?

 

[Loudmouth]

You are aware that a court can have it's own political bent and completely disregard what the constitution says about something when they make their ruling, correct?

Again, it's not up to a random guy on an internet forum. Just because you disagree with court rulings does not make them biased or unconstitutional.

 

[Aldebaran]

Again, it's not up to a random guy on an internet forum. Just because you disagree with court rulings does not make them biased or unconstitutional.

I guess that's your way of going right back to saying that "random" people in society just don't matter when they can clearly read what the constitution says. After all, the government is our master to be feared and obeyed, no matter that a law they want to put on us conflicts with the constitution. I really would love to see the look on your face if a SWAT team shows up at your house, assaults you and your family (maybe even causing permanent injury), destroys your home and everything you worked for, and takes all your money (based on "suspicion", of course), and then tell you that this is what the founding fathers intended for them to be able to do to you, and that court rulings that allow them to do this don't conflict with the constitution--regardless of it saying that you have the right to be secure in your home against such things. After all, you're just a "random person".

 

[Loudmouth]

I guess that's your way of going right back to saying that "random" people in society just don't matter when they can clearly read what the constitution says.

Again, can you show me the article in the Constitution where it says that Aldebaran of christianforums.com has the constitutional power to determine when someone's protected rights have been violated?

After all, the government is our master to be feared and obeyed, no matter that a law they want to put on us conflicts with the constitution. I really would love to see the look on your face if a SWAT team shows up at your house, assaults you and your family (maybe even causing permanent injury), destroys your home and everything you worked for, and takes all your money (based on "suspicion", of course), and then tell you that this is what the founding fathers intended for them to be able to do to you, and that court rulings that allow them to do this don't conflict with the constitution--regardless of it saying that you have the right to be secure in your home against such things. After all, you're just a "random person".

Yet another example of a conservative who doesn't like the US Constitution.

 

[Aldebaran]

Again, can you show me the article in the Constitution where it says that Aldebaran of christianforums.com has the constitutional power to determine when someone's protected rights have been violated?

Don't be childish.

Yet another example of a conservative who doesn't like the US Constitution.

Yet another statement made by someone who thinks the Constitution is subject to the will of the government rather than the people.

 

[Loudmouth]

Don't be childish.

Stop projecting.

Yet another statement made by someone who thinks the Constitution is subject to the will of the government rather than the people.

All of those judges were given their position as spelled out by the US Constitution, which is through the will of the people. The US Constitution was also adopted by the will of the people as written.

You are the one who wants to shred the US Constitution.

 

[Aldebaran]

All of those judges were given their position as spelled out by the US Constitution, which is through the will of the people. The US Constitution was also adopted by the will of the people as written.

You still can't accept the fact that abuse happens, can you? It's ok. There's a river in Egypt for you to swim in that I'm sure you're familiar with.

 

[Loudmouth]

You still can't accept the fact that abuse happens, can you?

You aren't pointing to abuse. You think disagreeing with a court ruling makes it unconstitutional. Your opinion has nothing to do with what is or isn't constitutional. What matters is how people vote. What matters is who those elected officials appoint. What matters is how those appointed judges rule. That's how the US Constitution works. You should actually read it sometime. You will find that court rulings are not based on a vote, or the random whinges of an internet poster.

It's ok. There's a river in Egypt for you to swim in that I'm sure you're familiar with.

Obviously, you know exactly where it's at.

 

[Aldebaran]

You aren't pointing to abuse. You think disagreeing with a court ruling makes it unconstitutional. Your opinion has nothing to do with what is or isn't constitutional. What matters is how people vote. What matters is who those elected officials appoint. What matters is how those appointed judges rule. That's how the US Constitution works. You should actually read it sometime. You will find that court rulings are not based on a vote, or the random whinges of an internet poster.

Fine. If the government takes everything you have without due process and the courts uphold it, then I guess that's fine. No conflict with the constitution whatsoever.

 

[Loudmouth]

Fine. If the government takes everything you have without due process and the courts uphold it, then I guess that's fine. No conflict with the constitution whatsoever.

But those things have not happened. Now you are holding the government liable for things that haven't happened. How does that make sense?

 

[Aldebaran]

But those things have not happened. Now you are holding the government liable for things that haven't happened. How does that make sense?

Maybe it hasn't happened to you personally, but it happens quite a bit more often than you'd be willing to admit. http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/30/the-7-most-egregious-examples-of-civil-asset-forfeiture/

 

[Loudmouth]

Maybe it hasn't happened to you personally, but it happens quite a bit more often than you'd be willing to admit. http://dailycaller.com/2015/01/30/the-7-most-egregious-examples-of-civil-asset-forfeiture/

What did the courts rule in these cases?

 

[bhsmte]

Fine. If the government takes everything you have without due process and the courts uphold it, then I guess that's fine. No conflict with the constitution whatsoever.

Let us know when that happens.

 

[FireDragon76]

This post has gotten very off-topic.

I was the one that originally started it, and the issue of the problem of evil for me is resolved (well, not completely but now I understand that it's a problem, but not one that is insurmountable). I think it's time that people that wish to discuss other things, start new posts.

 

[Dave Ellis]

This post has gotten very off-topic.

I was the one that originally started it, and the issue of the problem of evil for me is resolved (well, not completely but now I understand that it's a problem, but not one that is insurmountable). I think it's time that people that wish to discuss other things, start new posts.

What part of it is not resolved, and how do you think it's insurmountable?

 

[FireDragon76]

What part of it is not resolved, and how do you think it's insurmountable?

What's resolved for me is that I now have a better understanding of how God is present in the world.

I still don't know exactly how God is going to set everything straight, but it isn't as big a problem for me as it was.

 

[Kenny'sID]

9 million children die each year before the age of five. I have a hard time believing, they all deserved it.

When 2 year olds are diagnosed with inoperable cancer, or die painfully of starvation, how do you make sense of that?

It is once appointed man to die, and whenever that happens it happens. Rough punishment for original sin? I'd say so, especially in those cases. No fair or whatever, but many Christians just accept that the original sin was the reason for that. If one is an Atheist, they aren't gong to like it, but since they don't believe in God anyway, I suppose they'll have to come up with their own reasons why that happens. That or just say a God they don't even believe in is a meany for whatever reason...convince Christians of that? IDK?

The pain felt by an antelope when the cheetah sinks its teeth in — only by some sleight of hand can that be blamed on the sins of man or the machinations of satan:

Not necessarily only by sleight of hand, in that, as far as I know we didn't even eat animals before the original sin, and maybe there is nothing to verify this, and maybe there is but as far as I know animals didn't kill each other before the original sin. At the time it was a perfect word and when that changed to man must die, it would make perfect sense, then and only then did the animals that as far as I know weren't even really wild in the beginning...go into a wild state. All part of making things unpleasant for man (sweat of the brow and all) One indicator there was no wild animal state before sin could be that in the perfect world to come the lamb will lay with the lion, meaning it will go back to that perfect state so, makes some of those things I have no verification for somewhat plausible anyway.

But once again, an Atheist has no reason to believe any of that stuff, however, it should be easy to see how some Christians might draw that conclusion.

 

[FireDragon76]

Innocent suffering is part of the world we live in. What needs explaining is why we expect anything else. I believe because God has put that in our hearts. My frustration with evil and suffering is the very voice of God in my heart condemning sin, and the absence of God in this world is the very presence of God in this world. The ways that only God can be truly known in this world are through his Word and Sacraments, and the works of love that he works in our lives through us and with us. When I saw that was where God was, the issue was resolved for me and it was like scales falling off my eyes.

So that's why, it's no longer an issue for me. I would hope this thread stays on topic, or else the moderators can feel free to close it.

 

[Archaeopteryx]

Innocent suffering is part of the world we live in. What needs explaining is why we expect anything else. I believe because God has put that in our hearts. My frustration with evil and suffering is the very voice of God in my heart condemning sin, and the absence of God in this world is the very presence of God in this world.

That makes no sense.

The ways that only God can be truly known in this world are through his Word and Sacraments, and the works of love that he works in our lives through us and with us. When I saw that was where God was, the issue was resolved for me and it was like scales falling off my eyes.

How do you distinguish works of love done by human beings from "works of love that he works in our lives through us"?