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  1. omarose

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    So I came across something that throws my views into the spiral of confusion. I was advised by another Christian that the views of Hell didnt actually exist until the Greeks got a hold of the Bible and gave the thought of eternal life to the individual spirit. He stated that originally in Christianity the spirit would simply go to the pit- or death. Has anybody come across this? and what supporting evidence of this is there?
    If it is originally a Pagan concept, would it not be better to not have this taught?

    -Dont be angry people, I just want an intelligent discussion about it.




    -Will you or wont you be blessed today?
     
  2. St_Worm2

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    By "the Greeks getting a hold of the Bible", is your friend saying that they changed the Autographs where necessary to accommodate their presupposition :scratch:
     
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    The Bible speaks of the reality of hell in the same terms as the reality of heaven (Revelation 20:14-15; 21:1-2). In fact, Jesus spent more time talking about the fires of hell, than He did about the joys of heaven. The concept of a real, conscious, forever-and-ever existence in hell is just as biblical as a real, conscious, forever-and-ever existence in heaven .
     
  4. St_Worm2

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    IOW, that these "Greeks" added to and/or subtracted from verses/passages such as these (see below), and that what we have in our possession now is actually "their" words instead of God's (?)

    Matthew 25

    46 “These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

    Revelation 14
    9 Then another angel, a third one, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and his image, and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand,
    10 he also will drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is mixed in full strength in the cup of His anger; and he will be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.
    11 “And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever; they have no rest day and night, those who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.”

    Yours in Christ,
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    Revelation 20
    10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
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  5. St_Worm2

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    I haven't come across this before. What evidence did your Christian friend give in support of his/her claim?
     
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  6. frienden thalord

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    Paul once said many moons ago.................
    The HOLY SCRIPS which are able to make you wise unto salvation
    through faith in Christ.
    Believe me.............the devil knows this too.........
    thus...............if he cant get one out of them
    his next step is to say..............well maybe we didn't get the whole truth.
    IF we don't have the scrips to back up and stand on........
    tis then we can fall.
    MEN DID THIS
    in this day and age , I have never seen such an attack against the holy scrips
    and I know WHY this is..........
    to create doubt..........
    DID GOD really say............
    did the scrips really say their is such thing as hell.............
    NO , no says the serpent................man , changed it.
    Its how he works.................to create doubt so he can have us believe what he says.
    I say this to ENCOURAGE YOU...................
    don't fall for anything any one says.................
    its all about war against the scrips...........all out changing
    so men have nothing to test these NEW ideas against..........
    and by grace , I don't fall for anything , that contradicts the scrips.
    if todays society thinks me a dumb non evolved man that wont change
    or conform to new views.............then I say AMEN O LET ME LOOK even more foolish
    in the eyes of men.
    PRAISE THE LORD MY PEOPLES......................PRAISE THE LORD
     
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  7. omarose

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    To those who are asking for the basis- no he didnt give proof, which is why I am asking here if there has been anybody else who has come across this. He is also saying that they did alter verses of the Bible, translations of eternal souls and hell that is different than what the original context and meaning of the words were. Would this be under different denominations or something to that effect?
     
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    Pilate once said.............but what is truth............
    By grace I know the HOLY SCRIPS are TRUTH..........
    pick up a good old fashioned King james
    and feast , feast on the words of truth.
    get your belly full and bosoms swelled with the true holy scrips
    which make one wise unto salvation through faith in Christ...
    satan know this too..
    tis why he has many men , doing his bidding and saying
    oh the bible aint accurate for such and such a reason.
    FEED on the pure words and resist the darkness of lies by faith in CHRIST.
    His words shall be our judge at the end
    and satan knows this too...........so he will just twist a lil
    change a lil ..................and before one knows it.............they following the lies of men.
    SO STAND up peoples of the LORD....................an SING unto HIM with all your heart....
     
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  9. frienden thalord

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    By all means its denominational....................its men that done this....
    they have a goal..................its called get everyone under the lie of interfaith
    of all roads lead....of no hell, of just focusing on world peace......
    satan has long been at work to get the world ready and prepared.........
    and his men who so often appear as men of righteousness
    have been making ready a people.
    as JOHN , who once came in the Spirit of Elijah
    made ready the people for CHRIST
    this spirit too heralds down , creates doubts
    to make ready the people for not Christ, OH NO not HIS SECOND coming
    but rather the coming of the son of perdition.
    NOW DIG deep..................dig down deep...................deep
    HIS SAYINGS are the KEY to the FOUNDATOIN on which we stand....
    if we hear and do..............its on the ROCK
    if we hear and twist , omit or change and don't do.......its sand.....
    ps...............flee interfaith now........................flee it and never look back.
    I know interfaith aint the topic here...........but I had to warn.
     
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    satan knows , if in the hearts of men , their is no hell , no lake of fire
    if no judgment...............then why would man RUN TO CHRIST to even be saved........
    see why the prince of darkness who have us believe their is no lake of fire.
    and that man aint a sinner.............
    if we don't see ourselves as sinners, if we don't see a lake of fire for unrepentant sinners
    Then why would any IN HEART truly flee to a SAVOIR...........
    we must not be ignorant of satans devices.....
    I am so greatful ..............I was pulled out of darkness
    and by grace given only ONE book to read.........
    which by grace I have read daily for hours..................
    THEM SCRIPS DO make one wise unto salvation through faith in CHRIST....
    so one loud call to all...........IF you believe..........then put down all other books of men
    and read ONLY that bible................do it , and FEED on them words
    love them, let them be as honey to the taste amen.............
     
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    the dark one can manipulate man.
    let us again examine what this would do, IF believed.........
    if man aint wicked, if he aint a sinner
    and if their is no lake of fire for unrepentant sinners
    THEN why would any IN HEART run to a SAVOIR who
    can by grace ALSO transform us by this grace
    so as we walk not in sin, not in darkness, not ungodly following the lusts of the flesh.....
    THEY WONT DO IT...............NOT in HEART......
    let us remember.............that the grace of GOD that BRINGS SALVATION
    has appeared to all.............
    TEACHING.......oh yes...........TEACHING us to deny ungodliness and worldy lusts
    to be walking.............RIGHETOUSLY , soberly and godly in this wicked world.......
    that also is how we KNOW if we are TRULY UNDER grace
    HOW do we walk.................amen.
     
  12. frienden thalord

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    SO omarose, I leave you with these words of encouragement.
    and may we sing unto the LORD for his mercy of Grace given us in CHRIST......
    SING IT ...............and read that good holy book more and more.
    and advise your friend.............time to flee whoever gives him or her that advice..
    TIME for pure DOCTRINE to be brought back again with a flood of just honey tasting biblical
    teachings.................sweet to the taste , amen oh so sweet to the taste they are..........
     
  13. omarose

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    Honey I get that, but that isnt helping me in a rebuttal perspective. Many people will not take this as a proper explanation. So I need more information to combat on.
     
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    Seventh Day Adventists are the biggest promoters of the idea that there is no Hell in this forum. To be fair, the concept of "Sheol," as frequently mentioned in the Old Testament was possibly a word meaning only "the grave." Conservation of Biblical texts was pretty solid among Jewish scholars up to the time of Christ. The science behind studying the oldest texts and determining which is closest to the original, a science known as textual criticism, gives credit to them for maintaining the original scripture unchanged throughout history. Christians didn't do so well, but they were at the disadvantage of language and cultural barriers, as well as various regional sources of deliberate corruption. What this means is that at the time of Christ the scripture had remained very consistent throughout time, and we do know that the Jews of Christ's time believed in the Abyss, which was thought to be something of an underground prison made for fallen angels. In Luke 8:31, the demons were not merely asking to be spared from the grave. They were afraid of an eternal punishment in the Abyss. Romans 10:7 makes reference to Christ descending into the Abyss (between his death and resurrection). He wasn't merely descending into a grave (contrast that with verse 6, which mentions him ascending into Heaven. The grave and Heaven are not polar opposites, but Heaven and Hell are. The parallelism suggests that the intent of the author is to indicate two polar opposites).

    Similarity to Greek myth is of no concern. All of humanity has a common origin, so there's no reason to expect two Mediterranean cultures to have nothing in common. Pandora's Box is parallel to Eve taking the forbidden fruit, but we don't jump to the conclusion that Genesis was corrupted by the Greeks.

    The fact is that the idea of the afterlife was far more in question during the Old Testament times, but by the time of Jesus the parable of Lazarus and the Rich Man was useful only because so many of the Jews accepted as fact that there was such a thing as afterlife, eternal reward and eternal punishment. Otherwise, he could have made no point by using an illustration that no one could have accepted.

    I'm a back-seat theologian. Someone else can say it better.
     
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    It sounds like the person could be promoting the doctrine of "soul sleep", which is found among Jehovah's Witnesses and some others.

    They teach that the souls of dead Christians do not go to heaven.
    They believe we are only made up of a body.
    They say that the word "soul" refers to the body.
    In doing this they must ignore the following verse.


    Mat_10:28  And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

    All false doctrines are revealed not by the scripture quoted by its proponents, but rather by the scripture they must ignore to make it work. Matthew 10:28 destroys the doctrine of "soul sleep".


    Ask them if they are just a body and see what they say.

    Then put them on the spot by focusing on the following passages which deal with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, which we receive upon coming to faith in Christ.

    Mat_3:11  I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

    Mat_28:19  Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

    Mar_1:8  I indeed baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit."

    Mar_12:36  For David himself said by the Holy Spirit: 'THE LORD SAID TO MY LORD, "SIT AT MY RIGHT HAND, TILL I MAKE YOUR ENEMIES YOUR FOOTSTOOL." '

    Mar_13:11  But when they arrest you and deliver you up, do not worry beforehand, or premeditate what you will speak. But whatever is given you in that hour, speak that; for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit.

    Luk_1:15  For he will be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink. He will also be filled with the Holy Spirit, even from his mother's womb.

    Luk_1:35  And the angel answered and said to her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you; therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.

    Luk_1:41  And it happened, when Elizabeth heard the greeting of Mary, that the babe leaped in her womb; and Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit.

    Luk_1:67  Now his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying:

    Luk_2:25  And behold, there was a man in Jerusalem whose name was Simeon, and this man was just and devout, waiting for the Consolation of Israel, and the Holy Spirit was upon him.

    Luk_2:26  And it had been revealed to him by the Holy Spirit that he would not see death before he had seen the Lord's Christ.

    Luk_3:16  John answered, saying to all, "I indeed baptize you with water; but One mightier than I is coming, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

    Luk_3:22  And the Holy Spirit descended in bodily form like a dove upon Him, and a voice came from heaven which said, "You are My beloved Son; in You I am well pleased."

    Luk_4:1  Then Jesus, being filled with the Holy Spirit, returned from the Jordan and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

    Luk_11:13  If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!"

    Luk_12:10  "And anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man, it will be forgiven him; but to him who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit, it will not be forgiven.

    Luk_12:12  For the Holy Spirit will teach you in that very hour what you ought to say."

    Joh_1:33  I did not know Him, but He who sent me to baptize with water said to me, 'Upon whom you see the Spirit descending, and remaining on Him, this is He who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.'

    Joh_7:39  But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

    Joh_14:26  But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.

    Joh_20:22  And when He had said this, He breathed on them, and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit.

    Act_1:2  until the day in which He was taken up, after He through the Holy Spirit had given commandments to the apostles whom He had chosen,

    Act_1:5  for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now."

    Act_1:8  But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth."

    Act_1:16  "Men and brethren, this Scripture had to be fulfilled, which the Holy Spirit spoke before by the mouth of David concerning Judas, who became a guide to those who arrested Jesus;

    Act_2:4  And they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

    Act_2:33  Therefore being exalted to the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, He poured out this which you now see and hear.

    Act_2:38  Then Peter said to them, "Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

    Act_4:8  Then Peter, filled with the Holy Spirit, said to them, "Rulers of the people and elders of Israel:

    Act_4:31  And when they had prayed, the place where they were assembled together was shaken; and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit, and they spoke the word of God with boldness.

    Act_5:3  But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and keep back part of the price of the land for yourself?

    Act_5:32  And we are His witnesses to these things, and so also is the Holy Spirit whom God has given to those who obey Him."

    Act_6:3  Therefore, brethren, seek out from among you seven men of good reputation, full of the Holy Spirit and wisdom, whom we may appoint over this business;

    Act_6:5  And the saying pleased the whole multitude. And they chose Stephen, a man full of faith and the Holy Spirit, and Philip, Prochorus, Nicanor, Timon, Parmenas, and Nicolas, a proselyte from Antioch,

    Act_7:51  "You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears! You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you.

    Act_7:55  But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, gazed into heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God,

    Act_8:15  who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit.

    Act_8:17  Then they laid hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit.

    Act_8:18  And when Simon saw that through the laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Spirit was given, he offered them money,

    Act_8:19  saying, "Give me this power also, that anyone on whom I lay hands may receive the Holy Spirit."

    Act_9:17  And Ananias went his way and entered the house; and laying his hands on him he said, "Brother Saul, the Lord Jesus, who appeared to you on the road as you came, has sent me that you may receive your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit."

    Act_9:31  Then the churches throughout all Judea, Galilee, and Samaria had peace and were edified. And walking in the fear of the Lord and in the comfort of the Holy Spirit, they were multiplied.

    Act_10:38  how God anointed Jesus of Nazareth with the Holy Spirit and with power, who went about doing good and healing all who were oppressed by the devil, for God was with Him.

    Act_10:44  While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who heard the word.

    Act_10:45  And those of the circumcision who believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.

    Act_10:47  "Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?"

    Act_11:15  And as I began to speak, the Holy Spirit fell upon them, as upon us at the beginning.

    Act_11:16  Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, 'John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.'

    Act_11:24  For he was a good man, full of the Holy Spirit and of faith. And a great many people were added to the Lord.

    Act_13:2  As they ministered to the Lord and fasted, the Holy Spirit said, "Now separate to Me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them."

    Act_13:4  So, being sent out by the Holy Spirit, they went down to Seleucia, and from there they sailed to Cyprus.

    Act_13:9  Then Saul, who also is called Paul, filled with the Holy Spirit, looked intently at him

    Act_13:52  And the disciples were filled with joy and with the Holy Spirit.

    Act_15:8  So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us,

    Act_15:28  For it seemed good to the Holy Spirit, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things:

    Act_16:6  Now when they had gone through Phrygia and the region of Galatia, they were forbidden by the Holy Spirit to preach the word in Asia.

    Act_19:2  he said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" So they said to him, "We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit."

    Act_19:6  And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied.

    Act_20:23  except that the Holy Spirit testifies in every city, saying that chains and tribulations await me.

    Act_20:28  Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood.

    Act_21:11  When he had come to us, he took Paul's belt, bound his own hands and feet, and said, "Thus says the Holy Spirit, 'So shall the Jews at Jerusalem bind the man who owns this belt, and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.' "

    Act_28:25  So when they did not agree among themselves, they departed after Paul had said one word: "The Holy Spirit spoke rightly through Isaiah the prophet to our fathers,

    Rom_5:5  Now hope does not disappoint, because the love of God has been poured out in our hearts by the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

    Rom_9:1  I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Spirit,

    Rom_14:17  for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.

    Rom_15:13  Now may the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace in believing, that you may abound in hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.

    Rom_15:16  that I might be a minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering of the Gentiles might be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

    1Co_2:13  These things we also speak, not in words which man's wisdom teaches but which the Holy Spirit teaches, comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

    1Co_6:19  Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?

    1Co_7:34  There is a difference between a wife and a virgin. The unmarried woman cares about the things of the Lord, that she may be holy both in body and in spirit. But she who is married cares about the things of the world—how she may please her husband.

    1Co_12:3  Therefore I make known to you that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus accursed, and no one can say that Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit.

    2Co_6:6  by purity, by knowledge, by longsuffering, by kindness, by the Holy Spirit, by sincere love,

    2Co_13:14  The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the communion of the Holy Spirit be with you all. Amen.

    Eph_1:13  In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

    Eph_3:5  which in other ages was not made known to the sons of men, as it has now been revealed by the Spirit to His holy apostles and prophets:

    Eph_4:30  And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

    1Th_1:5  For our gospel did not come to you in word only, but also in power, and in the Holy Spirit and in much assurance, as you know what kind of men we were among you for your sake.

    1Th_1:6  And you became followers of us and of the Lord, having received the word in much affliction, with joy of the Holy Spirit,

    1Th_4:8  Therefore he who rejects this does not reject man, but God, who has also given us His Holy Spirit.

    2Ti_1:14  That good thing which was committed to you, keep by the Holy Spirit who dwells in us.

    Tit_3:5  not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,

    Heb_2:4  God also bearing witness both with signs and wonders, with various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit, according to His own will?

    Heb_3:7  Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says: "TODAY, IF YOU WILL HEAR HIS VOICE,

    Heb_6:4  For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit,

    Heb_9:8  the Holy Spirit indicating this, that the way into the Holiest of All was not yet made manifest while the first tabernacle was still standing.

    Heb_10:15  But the Holy Spirit also witnesses to us; for after He had said before,

    1Pe_1:12  To them it was revealed that, not to themselves, but to us they were ministering the things which now have been reported to you through those who have preached the gospel to you by the Holy Spirit sent from heaven—things which angels desire to look into.

    2Pe_1:21  for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.

    1Jn_5:7  For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.

    Jud_1:20  But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit,

    Rev_21:10  And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me the great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

    How can we be just a body if we have the Holy Spirit living inside of us?
     
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  16. Handmaid for Jesus

    Handmaid for Jesus You can't steal my joy

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    Believe the Bible. The Word of God is truth, all the truth you need.
     
  17. vinsight4u

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    Psalms 49:19

    “He shall go to the generation of his fathers; they shall never see light.”

    Does this verse sound like the soul lives on after death?
    Wouldn't this be odd to say if someone -the wickeds were just going to the grave to sleep in the dark? Why comment as to they would never see light?
     
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    Proverbs 21:16

    “The man that wandereth out of the way of understanding shall remain in the congregation of the dead.”
     
  19. omarose

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    Thank you kindly all, this is the kind of information i need. I can do further research with this I just had no idea where to start. I dont know if it is soul sleep or Sheol, Ill ask him further questions on that as well now that I know a bit more.
     
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    Take a look at Genesis 15:15 where God is speaking to
    Abraham.

    Also look up how Moses and Aaron - although brothers, did not seem
    to be gathered unto the same people.

    Deuteronomy 32:50

    “And die in the mount whither thou goest up, and be gathered unto thy people; as Aaron thy brother died in mount Hor, and was gathered unto his people:”
     
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