The Pinnacle of Evolution

[smaneck]

Yes, I know. I'm PCUSA. I attended seminary, but was working on my doctorate in theology, not going into ministry. Some students went four years, to better handle their internship.

A Presbyterian who is actually a Calvinist, imagine that! I was raised Presbyterian but never took Predestination seriously until I studied under Heiko Oberman.

 

[Hoghead1]

A Presbyterian who is actually a Calvinist, imagine that! I was raised Presbyterian but never took Predestination seriously until I studied under Heiko Oberman.

No, I am definitely not a Calvinist, though I translated two published volumes of his sermons. I would identify myself as a process theologian.

 

[smaneck]

I would identify myself as a process theologian.

Ah, the United Methodists excel at that.

 

[Hoghead1]

Ah, the United Methodists excel at that.

Yes, the certainly do. The Center for Process Studies is at the Claremont School of Theology, Claremont, CA, which is essentially a Methodist seminary. However, there are also major process people from other churches as well.

 

[PsychoSarah]

That all depends upon how theologically minded he is, doesn't it? Not everything can be summed up in a single paragraph.

This is a matter of reasonably dividing one's time. Do you have any idea, the number of 1 hour+ long videos people I debate toss at me? The number of written sources that exceed 10 pages? Since these aren't formal debates, why hold them to the formal debate standard of reading and watching all the source material of the opponent? Remember, we are also often debating on multiple subjects in multiple threads with multiple people. It is not uncommon for me to post in 10 different threads on a very active basis at a time. Eventually, it becomes physically impossible to look at every source thrown at me, even if I exclude obvious bad sources, like Answers in Genesis.

That's why, instead of just posting a bunch of sources, I explain the material in my own words, and present sources upon request most of the time, and I try to make those sources as short and concise as possible because I don't have some file of them saved away, I google search for them anew each time. After all, I learned a lot of what I know in college lectures and from performing experiments myself, which aren't exactly easy for other people to access.

 

[smaneck]

Yes, the certainly do. The Center for Process Studies is at the Claremont School of Theology, Claremont, CA, which is essentially a Methodist seminary. However, there are also major process people from other churches as well.

But they all go to Claremont.

Do you know Roland Faber?

 

[lesliedellow]

This is a matter of reasonably dividing one's time. Do you have any idea, the number of 1 hour+ long videos people I debate toss at me? The number of written sources that exceed 10 pages? Since these aren't formal debates, why hold them to the formal debate standard of reading and watching all the source material of the opponent?

It wasn't my source material.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Oh, baloney. He went to jail because he was a crook and guilty of tax evasion.

Same difference as Forest says: "stupid is as stupid does".

 

[joshua 1 9]

Correct. Most mainline churches require their pastors to have master's degrees. In the Presbyterian Church that is a three year program.

My son wants to take a five year computer science program. What advantage is that degree over a four year engineering program? He already has a years worth of college credit in high school and his scholarships last for 4 years. So in four years he can get a five year degree.

 

[smaneck]

My son wants to take a five year computer science program. What advantage is that degree over a four year engineering program? He already has a years worth of college credit in high school and his scholarships last for 4 years. So in four years he can get a five year degree.

Which does he love, computer science or engineering?

My son was in the same position as yours. He had a full four-year scholarship and enough AP credits to cover a year of college. He took his time, tried out virtually every major in the book starting out with a double major in English and Physics. He eventually graduated with a major in math, which I could have told him he would major in when he was five years gold. But his life is richer for having tried all those other things.

 

[Hoghead1]

But they all go to Claremont.

Do you know Roland Faber?

No, absolutely not. We did and do not all go to Claremont. I didn't.

 

[Hoghead1]

My son wants to take a five year computer science program. What advantage is that degree over a four year engineering program? He already has a years worth of college credit in high school and his scholarships last for 4 years. So in four years he can get a five year degree.

What on earth does this have to do with the discussion at hand?

 

[joshua 1 9]

What on earth does this have to do with the discussion at hand?

Nothing, I just wanted to ask him a question just like people ask me 50 million, billion, quadrillion questions all the time non stop.

 

[Jimmy D]

Nothing, I just wanted to ask him a question just like people ask me 50 million, billion, quadrillion questions all the time non stop.

If you start topics like this one you might expect a few questions mate!

 

[DogmaHunter]

OH, how typical.....attack the scientist...forget the science.

NEXT

Hovind, a scientist?

That's hilarious...

 

[DogmaHunter]

He does, my cut and paste is not working right now or I would give you the quote. All of Christianity is based on becoming like Jesus. I did not put "Jesus is the pinnacle of evolution" in the title because it would have shut down the discussion.

http://www.beliefnet.com/news/scien...threatened-by-our-scientific-adventures.aspx?

If you wish to know Collins' stance on mainstream biology, check my sig.

On that note: you still owe me an answer to the question on wheter or not you agree with that view of biology that Collins expresses.

 

[joshua 1 9]

If you wish to know Collins' stance on mainstream biology, check my sig.

On that note: you still owe me an answer to the question on wheter or not you agree with that view of biology that Collins expresses.

Collins - Theistic Evolution is clearly deterministic as apposed to non deterministic random events. Evolutionists universally claim that natural selection is anything but random and very deterministic. God had a plan for us - humans from the very beginning of the universe. Adam and Eve were the first humans 6,000 years ago. Adam was the first husband and Eve was the first wife, they were the first man and women, before them you had male and female. It would take a whole book to discuss all that happened in the Garden of Eden 6,000 years ago. All backed with rock solid scientific evidence. You may not understand the difference between theistic and atheistic evolution but that maybe because when you scan the brand of atheists there are areas of their brain that do not work on the same level as theists. Of course the reverse also shows that atheists have analogical areas of their brain that light up more then the theists.

 

[joshua 1 9]

If you start topics like this one you might expect a few questions mate!

Yes and I have two hours a day to answer questions. There are limits though because I can not spend all day dealing with the usual pratt questions (point refuted a thousand times). People need to come up with something new and different that we have not already gone over a million billion times.

 

[lesliedellow]

Collins - Theistic Evolution is clearly deterministic as apposed to non deterministic random events. Evolutionists universally claim that natural selection is anything but random and very deterministic. God had a plan for us - humans from the very beginning of the universe. Adam and Eve were the first humans 6,000 years ago. Adam was the first husband and Eve was the first wife, they were the first man and women, before them you had male and female. It would take a whole book to discuss all that happened in the Garden of Eden 6,000 years ago. All backed with rock solid scientific evidence. You may not understand the difference between theistic and atheistic evolution but that maybe because when you scan the brand of atheists there are areas of their brain that do not work on the same level as theists. Of course the reverse also shows that atheists have analogical areas of their brain that light up more then the theists.

I don't know where you got the above from, but I would be prepared to bet it was a creationist website.

This is somebody reporting on what Collins said at a meeting which took place in 2011:

"Collins presented a new problem yesterday I was not aware of. In his opinion, the human genome is too diverse to have come from one parent (remembering that Eve got her DNA from Adam). He thinks thousands would have been necessary (he also pointed out that the genome of homo neanderthalis, which they have also decoded in full,is very similar to homo sapiens, possibly implying continuity between the two species."

 

[Jimmy D]

Adam and Eve were the first humans 6,000 years ago. Adam was the first husband and Eve was the first wife, they were the first man and women, before them you had male and female. It would take a whole book to discuss all that happened in the Garden of Eden 6,000 years ago. All backed with rock solid scientific evidence.

What scientific evidence is there that Adam and Eve were the first humans 6000 years ago? Don't you count Neolithic cultures?

For example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peiligang_culture