The Pinnacle of Evolution

[smaneck]

Please, credit given where credit is due, that is at least a double wide. It would have taken two semis hauling to get that fine edifice in place.

Hey, I did say a mobile home, not a trailer.

 

[Hoghead1]

OH, how typical.....attack the scientist...forget the science.

NEXT

Hovind is definitely no scientist. He's a con man. That was my point.

 

[Hoghead1]

You do realize a true Calvinist can't be a theo-evo guy. The "T" goes away.

What on earth brought up Calvin here? No, of course, a Calvinist would not be into evolution. The T goes away? What do you mean by that?

 

[Hoghead1]

He does not believe in man's law. I do not know what he thinks about God's law. He things he is only responsible and accountable to the Law of Christ. Whatever he perceives that to be. I wrote him an email once before he went to jail and I tried to reason with him but he ignored it. There is an easy way and a hard way and sometimes we choose to do it the hard way. Either way we will end up where God is wanting us to go. God has a plan for him and God has a plan for you and we need to do what we can to yield to the plan that God has for us. When I look at people and see how hard headed and stubborn they are, then I look at myself and see that I can be pretty hard headed also. So I can not really judge them for the things I need to deal with in myself.

Oh, baloney. He went to jail because he was a crook and guilty of tax evasion. he may be trying to get sympathy by pleading he is being persecuted because of his religion, but that is totally bogus. Also, Jesus make it clear we should pay our taxes.

 

[lesliedellow]

What on earth brought up Calvin here? No, of course, a Calvinist would not be into evolution. The T goes away? What do you mean by that?

He is having a dig at me, because I am both a Calvinist and a theistic evolutionist.

 

[Hoghead1]

There is a difference between Calvinism and hyper calvinism. Calvin asked some questions and began a conversation. Only the hyper people think what he said was engraved in stone.

Absolutely no. Calvin had very definite ideas he wanted set in stone. He was absolutely right, everyone else absolutely wrong. That's why the city of Geneva pronounced his "Institutes" a sacred work. That's why he had Servet burned at the stake. That's why Geneva has been called the new Rome, and Calvin the Pope of Geneva.

 

[Hoghead1]

Then explain how through one man sin and death entered. How does evolution allow for Total Depravity...or Radical Corruption?

I don't believe that Original Sin is a biblical doctrine, top start with. That's how.

 

[Hoghead1]

It is a little difficult to believe that a Bible teacher does not read his Bible. Although in the churches he goes to they often have a pastor with only a two year degree. Compared to mainline denominations where the pastor or priest is required to have a Phd level degree from a Seminary.

Pastors are definitely not required to have Ph.D.'s. The Ph.D. is a research degree, not a service degree. Some clergy have a D. Min. and therefore are called "doctor." However, the D. Min, is not equal to a Ph.D., is a service degree.

 

[Hoghead1]

He is having a dig at me, because I am both a Calvinist and a theistic evolutionist.

This I gotta hear.

 

[lesliedellow]

This I gotta hear.

You will hear all you are going to hear by reading the exchange which followed.

 

[Hoghead1]

You shouldn't need any kind of degree to be familiar with the Bible. Especially when it involves a book that has been pivotal in the history of Christianity.

Depends how you mean "familiar." If you really want to dig into it, then,yes, you do need at least college-level classes and also it is helpful if you learn the biblical languages.

 

[Hoghead1]

You will hear all you are going to hear by reading the exchange which followed.

I am waiting with bated breath.

 

[Hoghead1]

There are lots of people with two year degrees that do a wonderful job of preaching and teaching the Bible. I know of people that graduated from our sunday school program that can preach the Bible. But they can not council or advise people. That is when you need a post grad degree. According to what I am reading he was making between one and two million dollars a year. So when you have that amount of money involved I can see where he could run into a lot of problems. Still if your going to go to court you need a good attorney, someone that gets along with that judge. He had the money to hire an attorney to work out a deal but he did not seem to be smart enough to do that. He does not seem to understand how the good ol boy club works.

You can't always cut deals. it is harder than you think. He was guilty, hands down.

 

[lesliedellow]

Depends how you mean "familiar." If you really want to dig into it, then,yes, you do need at least college-level classes and also it is helpful if you learn the biblical languages.

I mean familiarity with the ordinary English translations.

 

[Hoghead1]

I just looked at some of ted davis work..and it became obvious real quick where he changed the bible to force it to conform to evolutionism.

Although I think this interpretation captures an important representative role of Adam, I would suggest that “Adam” should also be understood as having an historical reference, as also representing what could be called the “stem-father” of the human race. In evolutionary terms, such a “stem-father” would be the first group of evolving hominids that gained moral and spiritual awareness. This idea of Adam representing the “stem-father” fits better with Paul’s use of “Adam” in Romans 5 than merely viewing “Adam” as representing human beings in general. -

Your thinking is very confused here. He didn't change the Bible at all. What he did change and challenge is the fundamentalist interpretation of the Bible. The Bible isn't the issue here, one's interpretation is.

 

[smaneck]

That's why he had Servet burned at the stake.

Not exactly. Servetus was burned at the stake for rejecting the Trinity, something that was a capital offensive throughout the Holy Roman Empire. Calvin recommended that he be beheaded not burned at the stake but the city council overruled him.

 

[smaneck]

Pastors are definitely not required to have Ph.D.'s. The Ph.D. is a research degree, not a service degree. Some clergy have a D. Min. and therefore are called "doctor." However, the D. Min, is not equal to a Ph.D., is a service degree.

Correct. Most mainline churches require their pastors to have master's degrees. In the Presbyterian Church that is a three year program.

 

[smaneck]

I don't believe that Original Sin is a biblical doctrine, top start with. That's how.

It was by the time Paul was done with the Adam and Eve story.

 

[Hoghead1]

Correct. Most mainline churches require their pastors to have master's degrees. In the Presbyterian Church that is a three year program.

Yes, I know. I'm PCUSA. I attended seminary, but was working on my doctorate in theology, not going into ministry. Some students went four years, to better handle their internship.

 

[Hoghead1]

Not exactly. Servetus was burned at the stake for rejecting the Trinity, something that was a capital offensive throughout the Holy Roman Empire. Calvin recommended that he be beheaded not burned at the stake but the city council overruled him.

That's not the point. My point was that Calvin was not easy-going, just raising questions. He meant business, his way or the highway to Hell.