the People who say "God told me, God spoke to me" extra biblical revelation

[LoveofTruth]

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Revelation from God has been written, there is no new revelation from God being given during this age. Any revelation now is from the god of this world.

There were many things from God that the apostles spoke and many prophesied in Corinth and they weren't written down, Many prophets have spoken In Christ and they were not written down as we see in scripture. Jesus spoke many things and did many things that were not written down and they were all from God

Nowhere in scripture do we read that the spiritual gifts and revelation have ceased, not one verse.

If you say there is, I would like to see them. I am familiar with the view f those who say the gifts have ceased and their views in some places and scripture does not say what they try to make it say as i have seen according to scripture.

and Jesus said His sheep hear his voice. If any say they do not hear His voice we should wonder why they don't, when jesus said his sheep do.

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"30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. 31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted."( 1 Cor 14:30,31)

 

[d taylor]

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God is not appending His Word. the revelation has been given, it is closed for this age. If you want to take a catholic position (along with other denomination's) believing God is giving new revelation, go ahead.

The Bible is perfectly equipped for me to know all that God wants me to know for now, during this age.

 

[Carl Emerson]

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God is not appending His Word. the revelation has been given, it is closed for this age. If you want to take a catholic position (along with other denomination's) believing God is giving new revelation, go ahead.

The Bible is perfectly equipped for me to know all that God wants me to know for now, during this age.

Is the Holy Spirit within silent in this age?

Does He no longer say "this is the way walk ye in it" ?

 

[Guojing]

Is the Holy Spirit within silent in this age?

Does He no longer say "this is the way walk ye in it" ?

If you can accept that God was completely silent during the 400 or so years from the conclusion of the book of Malachi, to when the angel Gabriel appeared to Zecharias, is it that hard to accept that we are now living under a similar time period?

You can imagine many Jews, when Pompey and Crassus defiled their temple, also wondering why God remain silent when Jerusalem was annexed by Rome, during those years of silence.

 

[Carl Emerson]

If you can accept that God was completely silent during the 400 or so years from the conclusion of the book of Malachi, to when the angel Gabriel appeared to Zecharias, is it that hard to accept that we are now living under a similar time period?

You can imagine many Jews, when Pompey and Crassus defiled their temple, also wondering why God remain silent when Jerusalem was annexed by Rome, during those years of silence.

No problem excepting it if it was true...

His relationship with believers in the Body of Christ is a different ball game altogether than His interaction with Israel.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

There were many things from God that the apostles spoke and many prophesied in Corinth and they weren't written down, Many prophets have spoken In Christ and they were not written down as we see in scripture. Jesus spoke many things and did many things that were not written down and they were all from God

Nowhere in scripture do we read that the spiritual gifts and revelation have ceased, not one verse.

If you say there is, I would like to see them. I am familiar with the view f those who say the gifts have ceased and their views in some places and scripture does not say what they try to make it say as i have seen according to scripture.

and Jesus said His sheep hear his voice. If any say they do not hear His voice we should wonder why they don't, when jesus said his sheep do.

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"30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. 31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted."( 1 Cor 14:30,31)

So what is God saying today that He hasn't already said in the Scriptures? Give us some examples.

 

[Guojing]

No problem excepting it if it was true...

His relationship with believers in the Body of Christ is a different ball game altogether than His interaction with Israel.

If the Jews had the Internet like us then, I am sure when the Romans were sieging Jerusalem, some of them will be creating discussion threads like what we are doing here.

 

[swordsman1]

I would usually consider not just one, but 5 things when judging a personal impression.

Show me a single example of a prophet in scripture receiving a prophecy via an internal "impression".


This is what God says about people who think that impressions of the mind are prophecies...

Jeremiah 14:14 Then the Lord said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.​

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Jeremiah 23:16. This is what the Lord Almighty says: “Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord."​

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Jeremiah 23:26 How long will this continue in the hearts of these lying prophets, who prophesy the delusions of their own minds?​

What this comes back to is this... - do His sheep hear His voice or not.

His "voice" is scripture. There are numerous verses that metaphorically refer to scripture as being God's "voice". (Eg.
Judges 2:20, 2 Kings 18:12, Psalm 106:24-25, Jer 9:13, Deut 13:18, Deut 15:5, Deut 26:14, Deut 30:8, Ex 19:4-8, Dan 9:10, Dan 9:11, 1 Sam 12:14, 1 Sam 12:14, Jer 11:3-4, Jer 26:12-13, Jer 40:2-3, Psalm 81:11, etc.)

Show me a single verse that refers to an internal impression or feeling as being God's "voice".

 

[swordsman1]

As I said before; the Bible tells us everything we need to know about God, salvation and doctrine, but there are some things it does not address. It is certainly possible to hear from God today and believe that he guided us to a particular job/house/church/partner.

If I were to say that God has told me I will give birth to the Messiah, that can be tested against Scripture and will be found to be false. (In fact, I suspect most Christians would just dismiss it outright, and rightly so.)
If I were to say that God spoke to me and told me to do/get a certain job, that can't be checked, or tested, against Scripture - unless the job was "serial criminal" or something else that is illegal.

God can certainly align our circumstances and paths in life. That is certainly a biblical way of determining God's will.

‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭2:12 When I came to Troas to preach the gospel of Christ, even though a door was opened for me in the Lord,​

Romans 1:10 I pray that now at last by God’s will the way may be opened for me to come to you.​

Romans 1:13 I planned many times to come to you (but have been prevented from doing so until now)​

Rom 8:28 All things work together for good​

Prov. 3:5-6 Trust in the Lord with all your heart … and he will make your paths straight.​

Following impressions, hunches, intuition, etc is not.

 

[swordsman1]

God gives the believer a peace that passes all understanding. This is not a normal human experience.

The peace that surpasses all understanding is the peace that comes from praying about a situation and leaving in God's hands. Here's the verse in context....

Phil 4:6-7 Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.​

It is nothing to do with deciding if an impression comes from God.

 

[swordsman1]

Is the Holy Spirit within silent in this age?

Does He no longer say "this is the way walk ye in it" ?

He never says that. It is human teachers who say those words. Here is your quoted verse in context...

Isaiah 30:19-21 And though the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction, yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more, but thine eyes shall see thy teachers: and thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.​

 

[d taylor]

Is the Holy Spirit within silent in this age?

Does He no longer say "this is the way walk ye in it" ?

The Holy Spirit guides a believer in Biblical truths. the Holy Spirit is not reveling new revelation.

If so then tell me a future event that will happen that is not recorded in The Bible, give me one that will happen a year from now.

 

[LoveofTruth]

So what is God saying today that He hasn't already said in the Scriptures? Give us some examples.

First of all, when you say “us” you sound like you have a unanimous agreement with all here against what I said. I will show “you” a few examples.

And I want you to show me where verses like this have ceased according to scripture and what do you think they were saying in such revelations and prophecy? And do you think they were adding to the gospel or scripture?

1 Corinthians 14: 30. If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace. 31. For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.”

I’m our home meetings we had many similar things happen. We would also have a teaching Ron one brother and others would sometimes have a revelation of scripture and meaning they would also share some spiritual discernment and songs etc.

I was walking downtown one day, ministering in the Lord, abd I was directed by God to go to a certain place as I have often been directed. I went there abd doors of ministry opened and as I was leaving I was walking across the road to the other side and another man was walking also towards me , we intersected and I preached repentance abd the gospel to him. Then, I said something to him that just came out of my mouth,I said if he keeps going the way he is going he would walk across the road get hit my a car and break his leg. He scoffed at me and went away.
About a week later or so Inwas ministering again downtown with another brother and I was far up north of the city this time. As I was walking I saw that same man coming towards me again with a broken leg and crutches. We were far from the place I saw him before. But somehow we both were walking towards eachother again. The Bible says the steps of a righteous man are ordered by the Lord.
When he saw me he was shocked abd I asked him what happened? He said he walked across the road got hit by a car and broke his leg. Then we ministered to him and bought him some food.

That to me was a revelation a kind of prophecy warning.

If not what do you call it? There have been other similar things to this happen as well. Sone even more shocking.

 

[LoveofTruth]

Show me a single example of a prophet in scripture receiving a prophecy via an internal "impression".


This is what God says about people who think that impressions of the mind are prophecies...

Jeremiah 14:14 Then the Lord said to me, “The prophets are prophesying lies in my name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and the delusions of their own minds.​

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Jeremiah 23:16. This is what the Lord Almighty says: “Do not listen to what the prophets are prophesying to you; they fill you with false hopes. They speak visions from their own minds, not from the mouth of the Lord."​

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Jeremiah 23:26 How long will this continue in the hearts of these lying prophets, who prophesy the delusions of their own minds?​

His "voice" is scripture. There are numerous verses that metaphorically refer to scripture as being God's "voice". (Eg.
Judges 2:20, 2 Kings 18:12, Psalm 106:24-25, Jer 9:13, Deut 13:18, Deut 15:5, Deut 26:14, Deut 30:8, Ex 19:4-8, Dan 9:10, Dan 9:11, 1 Sam 12:14, 1 Sam 12:14, Jer 11:3-4, Jer 26:12-13, Jer 40:2-3, Psalm 81:11, etc.)

Show me a single verse that refers to an internal impression or feeling as being God's "voice".

In scripture we read

Hebrews 3: 15. While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.”

Notice the voice speaks to the heart.

Also what scripture did Abraham or Noah have when they heard God”s voice?

And prove that they did not hear Gods voice in thier heart. Scripture says we can hear Gods voice in our heart.

This is so important that Paul makes it a examination if we are in the faith or not. We also read,

2 Corinthians 13: 3. Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you. ..5. Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?”

Deuteronomy 30: 14. But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it. 15. See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; …17. But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;”

Again the voice in the heart.

 

[LoveofTruth]

So what is God saying today that He hasn't already said in the Scriptures? Give us some examples.

There are many but.

It is on your part to prove that all the gifts of the Soirit are not for today. I eagerly wait for any scripture you bring to try and show this.

All the gifts of the spirit are for today and the ministries also.

 

[L.A.M.B.]

We get revelation from reading Gods word, the Holy Spirit teaches us shows us things. it's not talking about extra biblical visions. again the word of God is complete for us today we don't need anymore visions or extra biblical revelations.

I agree.
This is why we have cults of Joseph Smith's, E.G.White's, kingdom hall's, Moon, ect, bc ppl are so ready & willing to accept xtra-bibical writings as truth.
( Deuteronomy 4:2 ; Revelation 22:18/19 )

John 17:16/17
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world. 17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

 

[swordsman1]

In scripture we read

Hebrews 3: 15. While it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts, as in the provocation.”

Notice the voice speaks to the heart.

I'm affraid that's wrong. Read the verse again carefully, along with the next 2 verses.

It doesn't say His voice speaks to the heart. It says do not harden your heart after hearing His voice as the Israelites did.

When the Israelites "hardened their hearts" against God's voice and "rebelled" against God in the wilderness, it wasn't an inner impression they had, not even a literal voice. The "voice" they heard were the commandments God gave Moses. ie scripture, which they disobeyed. This is another example of God's "voice" being a metaphor for scripture!

Also what scripture did Abraham or Noah have when they heard God”s voice?

And prove that they did not hear Gods voice in thier heart. Scripture says we can hear Gods voice in our heart.

Abraham and Noah didn't hear an inner impression, they heard the literal audible voice of God....

Gen 15:1 After these things the word of the Lord came to Abram in a vision: “Fear not, Abram, I am your shield.....

Gen 17:1 When Abram was ninety-nine years old, the Lord appeared to him and said, “I am God Almighty....

Gen 17:9 Then God said to Abraham, “As for you, you must keep my covenant,

Gen 18:13 Then the Lord said to Abraham, “Why did Sarah laugh and say, ....

Gen 22:3 Some time later God tested Abraham. He said to him, “Abraham!” “Here I am,” he replied.

Gen 6:13 And God said to Noah, “I have determined to make an end of all flesh,

Gen 6:22 Noah did this; he did all that God commanded him.

Gen 7:1 Then the Lord said to Noah, “Go into the ark...

Gen 8:15 Then God said to Noah, “Go out from the ark...

We also read,

2 Corinthians 13: 3. Since ye seek a proof of Christ speaking in me, which to you-ward is not weak, but is mighty in you. .

Christ spoke to Paul because, as an apostle, he was an authorized spokesman of Christ (and it doesn't say it was an internal impression, presumably it was audible voice as on other occasions). We however are not apostles.

Being "mighty in you" does not mean "speak in you".

Deuteronomy 30: 14. But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it. 15. See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil; …17. But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;”

Again the voice in the heart.

Read the context. "The word that is very near to you" in this verse is referring to "this commandment" that is "not far off" in v11, which was "to keep his commandments and his statutes that are written in this Book of the Law, when you turn to the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul." (v10).

Again it is referring to scripture, not an inner impression.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Show me a single example of a prophet in scripture receiving a prophecy via an internal "impression".

I was talking about guidance not prophesy.

However I will point out that in the New Covenant the difference is that the presence of God speaking to the believer is now within the believer rather than external as in the Old Covenant.

And thus the communication is deeper than emotional feeling, rather it is His spirit to our spirit.

 

[Carl Emerson]

The peace that surpasses all understanding is the peace that comes from praying about a situation and leaving in God's hands. Here's the verse in context....

Phil 4:6-7 Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God. And the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.​

It is nothing to do with deciding if an impression comes from God.

Sorry but you seem to refuse to believe that the Peace of God comes from His indwelling presence.

 

[Carl Emerson]

He never says that. It is human teachers who say those words. Here is your quoted verse in context...

Isaiah 30:19-21 And though the Lord give you the bread of adversity, and the water of affliction, yet shall not thy teachers be removed into a corner any more, but thine eyes shall see thy teachers: and thine ears shall hear a word behind thee, saying, This is the way, walk ye in it, when ye turn to the right hand, and when ye turn to the left.​

The Holy Spirit within is our teacher and the principle remains - He shows us which way to walk.