The origins of atheism

[Cearbhall]

Is evidence more important to you than truth?

No. Evidence is important to me because truth is important to me. I would believe a lot of dangerous things if I didn't care enough about evidence.

 

[quatona]

If you hold your current position you'll never know because your current position is that when you die you cease to exist and the truth is never found by you personally.

Reflect on this your statement. I´m sure you are able to spot where it´s completely illogical.

 

[Loudmouth]

Because I value truth.

How do you determine what is true and what is not?

 

[Cearbhall]

Because I value truth.

As do we, so again I ask, why do you assume that you've done something right which we have failed to do?

 

[Chriliman]

So you are saying that the universe we can observe right now is consistent with a universe where there is no God?

I didn't say God has not made himself evident to me. In fact He has, I'm just waiting for Him to make Himself evident to all and I ask Him everyday what I can do to help.

I've already expressed what I feel Him leading me to do. So far well, until we meet again someday. I'm going to go help those who admit they are in need of love and truth.

 

[Loudmouth]

I didn't say God has not made himself evident to me. In fact He has, I'm just waiting for Him to make Himself evident to all and I ask Him everyday what I can do to help.

Why would we have to wait? Why can't you point to the observable evidence that convinced you?

If there is no such observable evidence, then it would seem to me that the obvious conclusion is that our universe is consistent with one where there is no God.

I've already expressed what I feel Him leading me to do. So far well, until we meet again someday. I'm going to go help those who admit they are in need of love and truth.

How do you know it is a deity doing that?

 

[anonymous person]

I find it interesting you state it is about; "getting it out of your system", like you are the victim of some attack.

You post, people make observations about your posts, others post, you make observations about their posts, that is the way this works. Some can take disagreement in stride, some can't.

And I'm sorry, but relying on what some theists do and claiming non believers are angry and this is why they disagree, is just weak, real weak.

Nah, just want yall to get some stuff off your chest. I'm here to be a listening ear.

I'm your friend and as such want to be here for you all as a friend.

I thank you for sharing with me how you see it. I have had a glorious breakthrough and God has used you all and put you all in my life as good gifts.

Every good and perfect gift comes from above.

 

[ScottA]

Actually, the fact that you think something happened isn't proof. I'd be hesitant to believe everything that you think you see/hear/feel.

Without confirmation, I would too. But that is not the case. And I never said I "think" it happened. I know better.

 

[quatona]

Nah, just want yall to get some stuff off your chest. I'm here to be a listening ear.

You suddenly changed your attitude? Ok.

 

[Chriliman]

How do you know it is a deity doing that?

Some feel lead to love and help those in need, some do not.

 

[ScottA]

In most conversations, proof and evidence mean that it has to be verifiable by someone else.

So how do I know that you are telling the truth? How do I know that you weren't delusional? What evidence can you present that is independent of yourself and can be verified by anyone who wants to?

I explained that I had my own proof, but could not prove it to you. It doesn't work that way. You will get nowhere questioning others...the matter is personal, between you and our Creator. You can take it up with Him anytime.

 

[Loudmouth]

Some feel lead to love and help those in need, some do not.

Some who feel the need to love and help those in need to so without claiming a deity caused them to do it.

 

[HitchSlap]

As Christians we are called to help the despondent. You don't seem despondent, so far well, until we meet again.

Sounds good.

 

[HitchSlap]

I explained that I had my own proof, but could not prove it to you. It doesn't work that way. You will get nowhere questioning others...the matter is personal, between you and our Creator. You can take it up with Him anytime.

Can I find him in the phone book?

 

[Loudmouth]

I explained that I had my own proof, but could not prove it to you.

I explained that there isn't such a thing as "my own proof". It doesn't work that way. If something is proven, then it is demonstrably true. If you can't demonstrate it is true, then you don't have proof.

It doesn't work that way. You will get nowhere questioning others...the matter is personal, between you and our Creator. You can take it up with Him anytime.

What's his email account? Is he doing a road tour that has a Q&A afterwards?

 

[anonymous person]

Ummm...care to elaborate? How can you "be a slave" to something that you did?

Let's use an easy example. You think stealing is a sin, right? So let's suppose that I visited you at your house, sat on your couch, reached between the cushions and found a fiver. Instead of giving you the money, I pocket it (stealing). I ultimately go on about my day like nothing happened...and for all you know, nothing did happen.

How am I now a "slave" to stealing?

You are a slave to that which made you steal the five.

You are a slave to that.

Lol. Get over yourself.

Indeed you and the others here are helping me to do just that and I thank God for you and I thank you personally.

 

[anonymous person]

My mom pulls this same martyr-deflection thing when she's caught. She has borderline personality disorder though.

It used to bother me. Now it's pretty transparent. Let me just say that it's probably having the opposite effect as to what you were hoping.

I am not worthy to be called a martyr, so you do me too much of an honor sir.

Nor am I deflecting, but receiving great things from you and the rest as a result of opening myself up to receive from you all.

The effect thus far is more than I could ever have hoped for and is having not only the effect I was hoping for, but as I said, more than I could have hoped for.

Thank you sincerely.

 

[anonymous person]

Why would we have to wait? Why can't you point to the observable evidence that convinced you?

If there is no such observable evidence, then it would seem to me that the obvious conclusion is that our universe is consistent with one where there is no God.



How do you know it is a deity doing that?

Read this:
http://www.christianforums.com/xfa-blog-entry/the-end-of-myself.198587/

Meditate on the latter portion.

 

[Davian]

He who commits sin does so because he chooses to.

In this context, "sin" is a religious transgression of some sort that one can consciously decide upon. Is that accurate?

He chooses to because he likes to.

For that you would need one of those mind-readin' hats.

Mind-Reading Hat

• Davian
• Jul 30, 2015

Such a one is a slave to their lusts and base passions and prideful estimation of themselves.

I do not relate to this. Are you speaking from personal experience?

He who chooses not to sin but to do what is good and just and pure and Holy does so because they choose to. They choose to because they like to do those things.

From what I gather, even the concept of genocide can be made to fit through these parameters in the mind of the experienced apologist.

He is a slave to righteousness.

The use of the word "slave" implying that this is not choice. But, your religion requires that it be choice, correct?

You forget my friend, that the concept of servitude does not preclude one from voluntarily becoming a slave. We are slaves of whatever we freely choose to be led and mastered by.

In the context of this thread, are you implying that belief - or disbelief - is something we can freely - and consciously - choose?

 

[Davian]

It was a call for transparency and love.

I have noticed no one addressed the question I asked, so I will ask it again. Surely we are obligated to love one another, right?

I addressed it.