The Origin of the Nibiru, Planet X Story

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The idea was first put forward in 1995 by Nancy Lieder,[4][5] founder of the website ZetaTalk. Lieder describes herself as a contactee with the ability to receive messages from extraterrestrials from the Zeta Reticuli star system through an implant in her brain. She states that she was chosen to warn mankind that the object would sweep through the inner Solar System in May 2003 (though that date was later postponed) causing Earth to undergo a physical pole shift that would destroy most of humanity.

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Firstly, wondering why ANY Christian would believe the words of this woman, someone who is obviously deranged?

Secondly, why would you connect God's name with this fiction?
 

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The idea was first put forward in 1995 by Nancy Lieder,[4][5] founder of the website ZetaTalk. Lieder describes herself as a contactee with the ability to receive messages from extraterrestrials from the Zeta Reticuli star system through an implant in her brain. She states that she was chosen to warn mankind that the object would sweep through the inner Solar System in May 2003 (though that date was later postponed) causing Earth to undergo a physical pole shift that would destroy most of humanity.

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Firstly, wondering why ANY Christian would believe the words of this woman, someone who is obviously deranged?

Secondly, why would you connect God's name with this fiction?

Beats me. On both questions.
 
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'In 2017, a conspiracy theorist and self-proclaimed "Christian numerologist" named David Meade revived the Nibiru cataclysm by tying it to various passages from the Bible.[30] He initially predicted that Nibiru would arrive in October of 2017,[30] but he later revised the date to 23 September, referring to a supposedly unique configuration on that date of the Sun, Moon, and planets in Virgo,[31] and citing the solar eclipse of August 21, 2017 as a harbinger. His claims received extensive media attention.[32][33][34] Viral fake news stories circulated across the internet, falsely claiming that NASA had not only confirmed Nibiru's existence, but also announced that it was "headed straight for Earth".[35][7][36] In reality, NASA has repeatedly and emphatically denied Nibiru's existence.[35][7][36][37][38][39] NASA astronomer David Morrison produced a video for the occasion explaining why Nibiru could not exist.[40] Meade also faced criticism from fellow Christians; Ed Stetzer, writing for Christianity Today, stated that "there is no such thing as a 'Christian numerologist'",[41] and described Meade as "a made-up expert in a made-up field talking about a made-up event."[41] Christopher M. Graney, a professor with the Vatican Observatory Foundation, noted that the supposedly unique event was, in fact, quite common, having occurred four times in the last millennium.[31]'

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The origin of planet nibiru came from Zacharia Sitchin who said the God of the Bible was an annunaki alien from another planet who came to earth to mine gold for their planet, they created mankind as slaves to mine the gold.

This Nibiru story is the basic part of the Alien agenda,

NWO is hiding their flying saucers/UFO and their enginereed "aliens", the purpose is to deceive people in order to deny God's existence.
They will be "revealed" one day.
 
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The Annunnaki myth is Sumerian/Babylonian/Assyrian in origin. You know, polythesitic gods and all?

More and more, this myth is being proven to be totally un-Christian. So come on heterodoxers, prove this is totally Biblically based Chrisitanity.
 
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Planet Red Herring
Definition of a ‘red herring’; Something that diverts attention from what will actually happen. A false but plausible scenario, given perhaps to induce hope, while concealing the reality.

Planet X, Nibiru, etc, are thought by some to be the means God will use to ‘reset civilization’. Jesus said: ‘As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be when the Son of Man comes’. We are now in those days and the Lord will instigate His judgement/punishment upon the world very soon.

This forthcoming worldwide disaster is prophesied throughout the Bible, as fire sent by the Lord. He will use a seemingly natural event, a solar flare of unprecedented magnitude, that will literally fulfil all the graphic prophesies about that Day, but will allow people to continue in their disbelief of God. Only the Middle East region will be devastated and depopulated.

It will not be a space object fly past because:
1/ We would observe an approaching large object well before it arrives, but we are told that the ‘Day of the Lord comes as a thief’, that is unexpectedly.
2/ Its main effect would be flooding as the gravitational pull makes the oceans rise and fall in huge tides. God has specifically promised to never again flood the earth, so this will not happen. Genesis 9:11
3/ Such an event would not have all the effects as described in prophecy.

What we are told in more than 100 prophecies, is the Lord will send fire from His storehouse, the sun, Deuteronomy 32:22, that will ‘in one day burn up His enemies’. Isaiah 10:17
 
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Planet Red Herring
Definition of a ‘red herring’; Something that diverts attention from what will actually happen. A false but plausible scenario, given perhaps to induce hope, while concealing the reality.

Planet X, Nibiru, etc, are thought by some to be the means God will use to ‘reset civilization’. Jesus said: ‘As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be when the Son of Man comes’. We are now in those days and the Lord will instigate His judgement/punishment upon the world very soon.

This forthcoming worldwide disaster is prophesied throughout the Bible, as fire sent by the Lord. He will use a seemingly natural event, a solar flare of unprecedented magnitude, that will literally fulfil all the graphic prophesies about that Day, but will allow people to continue in their disbelief of God. Only the Middle East region will be devastated and depopulated.

It will not be a space object fly past because:
1/ We would observe an approaching large object well before it arrives, but we are told that the ‘Day of the Lord comes as a thief’, that is unexpectedly.
2/ Its main effect would be flooding as the gravitational pull makes the oceans rise and fall in huge tides. God has specifically promised to never again flood the earth, so this will not happen. Genesis 9:11
3/ Such an event would not have all the effects as described in prophecy.

What we are told in more than 100 prophecies, is the Lord will send fire from His storehouse, the sun, Deuteronomy 32:22, that will ‘in one day burn up His enemies’. Isaiah 10:17

So in other words, you're as full of un-Christian baloney as everyone that believed in this "prophecy"

Good to know
 
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So in other words, you're as full of un-Christian baloney as everyone that believed in this "prophecy"

Good to know
Yes, we know there will be scoffers and those who deny the plain prophesies.
Good luck to you.
 
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"Plain Prophecy" has been peddled for well over 100 years and NOTHING has come about....you want a list just since 1843?

1843 Dec 31 Millerites Although it was not officially endorsed by their leadership, many Millerites expected the Second Coming to occur on April 28 or at the end of 1843.
1843 Harriet Livermore The first of two years this preacher predicted the world would end.
1844 Mar 21 William Miller Miller predicted Christ would return on this day.
1844 Oct 22 Millerites After Christ did not return on March 21, 1844, the Millerites then revised William Miller's prediction to October 22, 1844, claiming to have miscalculated Scripture. The realization that the predictions were incorrect resulted in the Great Disappointment.
1847 Aug 7 George Rapp Rapp, the founder of the Harmony Society, preached that Jesus would return in his lifetime, even as he lay dying on August 7, 1847.
1847 Harriet Livermore The second prediction of the end of the world from this preacher.
1862 John Cumming This Scottish clergyman stated it was 6000 years since Creation in 1862, and that the world would end.
Joseph Morris An English convert to Mormonism, Morris had revelations to gather his followers and wait for the Second Coming, through successive prophesied days.
1863 John Wroe The founder of the Christian Israelite Church calculated that the Millennium would begin this year.
1873 Jonas Wendell In 1870, Wendell published his views in the booklet entitled The Present Truth, or Meat in Due Season concluding that the Second Advent was sure to occur in 1873.
1874 Charles Taze Russell Predicted the return of Jesus to occur in 1874, and after this date reinterpreted the prediction to say that Jesus had indeed returned in invisible form.
1875-1925 Wilford Woodruff Apostle of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, "[...] the Lord has not revealed to man the day or the hour, but he has revealed the generation [...] It is my faith that hundreds and thousands of the children that have been given to us will be alive in the flesh when Christ comes in the clouds of heaven in power and great glory." Historical life expectancy for Americans in 1875 was 50 years.
1881 Mother Shipton (attrib.) This 15th-century prophet was quoted as saying "The world to an end shall come, In eighteen hundred and eighty one" in a book published in 1862. In 1873 it was revealed to be a forgery; however, this did not stop some people from expecting the end.
1901 Catholic Apostolic Church This church, founded in 1831, claimed that Jesus would return by the time the last of its 12 founding members died. The last member died in 1901.
1892–1911 Charles Piazzi Smyth This pyramidologist concluded from his research on the dimensions of the Great Pyramid of Giza that the Second Coming would occur somewhere between the years 1892 and 1911.
1914 Charles Taze Russell "...the battle of the great day of God Almighty… The date of the close of that "battle" is definitely marked in Scripture as October 1914. It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874."
1915 John Chilembwe This Baptist educator and leader of a rebellion in the British protectorate of Nyasaland predicted the Millennium would begin this year.
1918 International Bible Students Association "Christendom shall be cut off and glorification of the Little Flock (The Church) in the Spring of 1918 A. D."
1920 International Bible Students Association In 1918, Christendom would go down as a system to oblivion and be succeeded by revolutionary governments. God would "destroy the churches wholesale and the church members by the millions." Church members would "perish by the sword of war, revolution and anarchy." The dead would lie unburied. In 1920 all earthly governments would disappear, with worldwide anarchy prevailing.
1925 Feb 13 Margaret Rowen According to this Seventh-Day Adventist, the angel Gabriel appeared before her in a vision and told her that the world would end at midnight on this date.
1926 Spencer Perceval Son of the former Prime Minister of Britain and one of the 12 Apostles of the Catholic Apostolic Church. He believed that the world was growing nearer and nearer to the Apocalypse due to what he viewed as the rampant immorality of the times in Europe.
1935 Sep Wilbur Glenn Voliva This evangelist announced that "the world is going to go 'puff' and disappear" in September 1935.
1936 Herbert W. Armstrong The founder of the Worldwide Church of God told members of his church that the Rapture was to take place in 1936, and that only they would be saved. After the prophecy failed, he changed the date three more times.
1941 Jehovah's Witnesses A prediction of the end from the Jehovah's Witnesses, a group which branched from the Bible Student movement.
1943 Herbert W. Armstrong The first of three revised dates from Armstrong after his 1936 prediction failed to come true.
1947 John Ballou Newbrough The author of Oahspe: A New Bible foresaw the destruction of all nations and the beginning of post-apocalyptic anarchy in this year.
1959 Apr 22 Florence Houteff The 2nd Prophet of the Branch Davidians predicted the apocalypse foretold in the Book of Revelation would proceed on this date. The failure of the prophecy led to the split of the sect into several subsects, the most prominent led by Benjamin and Lois Roden.
1969 Aug 9 George Williams The founder of the Church of the Firstborn predicted the Second Coming of Christ would occur on this day.
1972 Herbert W. Armstrong The second of three revised dates from Armstrong after his 1936 and 1943 predictions failed to come true.
1974 Jan David Berg Berg, the leader of Children of God, predicted that there would be a colossal doomsday event heralded by Comet Kohoutek.
1975 Herbert W. Armstrong Armstrong's fourth and final prediction.
Jehovah's Witnesses From 1966 on, Jehovah's Witnesses published articles which stated that the fall of 1975 would be 6000 years since man's creation, and suggested that Armageddon could be finished by then.
1977 John Wroe The founder of the Christian Israelite Church predicted this year for Armageddon to occur.
William M. Branham This Christian minister predicted the Rapture would occur no later than the year 1977.
1980 Leland Jensen In 1978 Jensen predicted that there would be a nuclear disaster in 1980, followed by two decades of conflict, culminating in God's Kingdom being established on Earth.
1981 Chuck Smith The founder of Calvary Chapel predicted the generation of 1948 would be the last generation, and that the world would end by 1981. Smith identified that he "could be wrong" but continued to say in the same sentence that his prediction was "a deep conviction in my heart, and all my plans are predicated upon that belief."
1982 Apr–Jun Tara Centers Full-page ads in many newspapers April 24–25, 1982, stated that "The Christ is Now Here!" and that he would make himself known "within the next two months".
1982 Jun 21 Benjamin Creme Creme took out an ad in the Los Angeles Times stating that the Second Coming would occur in June 1982 with the Maitreya announcing it on worldwide television.
1982 Pat Robertson In late 1976 on his 700 Club TV programme, Robertson predicted that the end of the world would come in this year.
1985 Lester Sumrall This minister predicted the end in this year, even writing a book about it entitled I Predict 1985.
1988 Sep 11–13, Oct 3 Edgar C. Whisenant Whisenant predicted in his book 88 Reasons Why the Rapture Could Be in 1988 that the Rapture of the Christian Church would occur between September 11–13, 1988. After his September predictions failed to come true, Whisenant revised his prediction date to October 3.
1989 Sep 30 Edgar C. Whisenant After all his 1988 predictions failed to come true, Whisenant revised his prediction date to this day.
1990 Apr 23 Elizabeth Clare Prophet Prophet predicted a nuclear war would start on this day, with the world ending 12 years later, leading her followers to stockpile a shelter with supplies and weapons. Later, after Prophet's prediction did not come to pass, she was diagnosed with epilepsy and Alzheimer's disease. [113][114]
1992 Sep 28 Rollen Stewart This born-again Christian predicted the Rapture would take place on this day.
1992 Oct 28 Lee Jang Rim
(이장림 or 李長林)

Lee, the leader of the Dami Mission church, predicted the rapture would occur on this day. [118]
1993 David Berg Berg predicted the tribulation would start in 1989 and that the Second Coming would take place in 1993.
1994 Sep 6/29, Oct 2 Harold Camping Camping predicted the Rapture would occur on September 6, 1994. When it failed to occur he revised the date to September 29 and then to October 2.
1995 Mar 31 Harold Camping Camping's fourth predicted date for the end. This would be Camping's last prediction until 2011. [
1997 Aug 10 Aggai The 1st-century bishop of Edessa predicted this date to be the birth date of the Antichrist and the end of the universe.
1997 Oct 23 James Ussher This 17th-century Irish archbishop predicted this date to be 6000 years since Creation, and therefore the end of the world.
1999 Jul Nostradamus A quatrain by Nostradamus which stated the "King of Terror" would come from the sky in "1999 and seven months" was frequently interpreted as a prediction of doomsday in July 1999.
James Gordon Lindsay This preacher predicted the great tribulation would begin before the year 2000.
Timothy Dwight IV This President of Yale University foresaw Christ's Millennium starting by 2000.
Credonia Mwerinde, Joseph Kibweteere An estimated 778 followers of this Ugandan religious movement perished in a devastating fire and a series of poisonings and killings that were either a group suicide or an orchestrated mass murder by group leaders after their predictions of the apocalypse failed to come about.
Jerry Falwell Falwell foresaw God pouring out his judgement on the world on this day.
Tim LaHaye, Jerry B. Jenkins These Christian authors stated that the Y2K bug would trigger global economic chaos, which the Antichrist would use to rise to power. As the date approached, however, they changed their minds.
2000 Apr 6 James Harmston The leader of the True and Living Church of Jesus Christ of Saints of the Last Days predicted the Second Coming of Christ would occur on this day.
2000 Peter Olivi This 13th-century theologian wrote that the Antichrist would come to power between the years 1300 and 1340, and the Last Judgement would take place around the year 2000.
Isaac Newton Newton predicted that Christ's Millennium would begin in the year 2000 in his book Observations upon the Prophecies of Daniel, and the Apocalypse of St. John.
Ruth Montgomery This self-described Christian psychic predicted the Earth's axis would shift and the Antichrist would reveal himself in this year.
Edgar Cayce This psychic predicted the Second Coming would occur this year.
Sun Myung Moon The founder of the Unification Church predicted the Kingdom of Heaven would be established in this year.
Ed Dobson This pastor predicted the end would occur in his book The End: Why Jesus Could Return by A.D. 2000.
Lester Sumrall This minister predicted the end in his book I Predict 2000.
Jonathan Edwards This 18th-century preacher predicted that Christ's thousand-year reign would begin in this year.
2003 May 27 Nancy Lieder Lieder originally predicted the date for the Nibiru collision as May 2003. According to her website, aliens in the Zeta Reticuli star system told her through messages via a brain implant of a planet which would enter our solar system and cause a pole shift on Earth that would destroy most of humanity.
2007 Apr 29 Pat Robertson In his 1990 book The New Millennium, Robertson suggests this date as the day of Earth's destruction.
2011 May 21 Harold Camping Camping predicted that the Rapture and devastating earthquakes would occur on May 21, 2011 with God taking approximately 3% of the world's population into Heaven, and that the end of the world would occur five months later on October 21.
2011 Sep 29 Ronald Weinland Ronald Weinland stated Jesus Christ would return on this day. He prophesied nuclear explosions in U.S. port cities by July 2008 as the blowing of the Second Trumpet of Revelation. After his prophecy failed to come true he changed the date for the return of Jesus Christ to May 27, 2012.
2011 Oct 21 Harold Camping When his original prediction failed to come about, Camping revised his prediction and said that on May 21, a "Spiritual Judgment" took place, and that both the physical Rapture and the end of the world would occur on October 21, 2011.
2012 May 27 Ronald Weinland Ronald Weinland stated that Jesus Christ would return and the world would end on this day. [159]
2012 Jun 30 José Luis de Jesús José Luis de Jesús predicted that the world's governments and economies would fail on this day, and that he and his followers would undergo a transformation that would allow them to fly and walk through walls.
2012 Dec 21 Various The 2012 phenomenon predicted the world would end at the end of the 13th b'ak'tun. The Earth would be destroyed by an asteroid, Nibiru, or some other interplanetary object; an alien invasion; or a supernova. Mayanist scholars stated that no extant classic Maya accounts forecasted impending doom, and that the idea that the Long Count calendar ends in 2012 misrepresented Maya history and culture. Scientists from NASA, along with expert archeologists, stated that none of those events were possible.
2013 Aug 23 Grigori Rasputin Rasputin prophesied a storm would take place on this day where fire would destroy most life on land and Jesus Christ would come back to Earth to comfort those in distress.
2014 Apr – 2015 Sep John Hagee and Mark Biltz The so-called Blood Moon Prophecy, first predicted by Mark Blitz in 2008 and then by John Hagee in 2014. These Christian ministers claimed that the tetrad in 2014 and 2015 may allegedly represent prophecies given in the Bible relating to the second coming of Jesus Christ.


I see a few names from the early church even people like Martin Luther that made such predictions (his was 1600) even Isaac Newton, but mostly I see the same type of "preachers", cult leaders like Jim Jones, Heaven's Gate and Aum Shinrikyo (the people that did the Sarin gas attack in Japan), Louis Farrakhan and others.

Guess what....the end didn't come.
 
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Guess what....the end didn't come.
Does that mean the end will never come?
What then should we do with the 1/4 to 1/3rd of the Bible, which is unfulfilled prophecy?
Sensible answers, please.
 
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Does that mean the end will never come?
What then should we do with the 1/4 to 1/3rd of the Bible, which is unfulfilled prophecy?
Sensible answers, please.

Some of us Christians are inordinately fond of boasting of the prophetic accuracy of the Bible. However, in order to have a verified example of prophecy fulfillment, there are certain criteria that must be adhered to:

1) THE PROPHECY MUST BE CLEARLY ISSUED AS A PROPHECY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY DESCRIBE THE EVENT WHICH IT PREDICTS. --- No hints or intimations from the Old Testament claimed to be fulfilled in the New. Example: Psalms allusions.

2) THE PROPHECY MUST BE PROVEN TO HAVE BEEN RECORDED PRIOR TO THE EVENT BEING PREDICTED --- Jesus may have predicted the destruction of Jerusalem, but the Gospels were written after this happened. We cannot produce an authentic first century manuscript of a gospel, let alone any written prior to this event. Example: nothing in Daniel can be shown to have been written before 165 BC.

3) THE PROPHECY FULFILLMENT MAY NOT CONSIST OF ANY EVENT CAPABLE OF BEING STAGED FOR THE PURPOSE OF FULFILLING PROPHECY --- Example: Jesus riding into town on a donkey.

4) THE EVENTS BEING PREDICTED MUST CONSIST OF SOMETHING THAT CANNOT BE EXPLAINED BY AN INTELLIGENT GUESS --- Example: Jeremiah predicting that Babylon, clearly an expansionist power, would soon sack Judea. This is mundane punditry, not supernatural prophecy.

5) THE EVENTS MUST HAVE ACTUALLY COME TO PASS --- The fact that the bible says they did is not sufficient in the absence of external confirmation. Example: The flight into Egypt by Jesus, Mary and Joseph.

These criteria are just as equally applicable to prophesy in scriptures other than the Bible and indeed in what might be called prophesy in other contexts.
 
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Revelations is less about prophecy then it is about talking to the then 1st century church and proclaiming what would come when the day comes, not about seeking to FIND the day like you that skew the bible into a tool for panic and fear do. It was meant to bring hope to a persecuted community at a time when proclaiming you were christian could very well be a death sentence. It was talking to church communities trying to get them to stay on task with proclaiming the gospel in such difficult times.

You turn it into a guide for hope and love into a tool for fear and and object of ridicule and oppression.

How Christian is that exactly?
 
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Some of us Christians are inordinately fond of boasting of the prophetic accuracy of the Bible. However, in order to have a verified example of prophecy fulfillment, there are certain criteria that must be adhered to:

1) THE PROPHECY MUST BE CLEARLY ISSUED AS A PROPHECY AND UNEQUIVOCALLY DESCRIBE THE EVENT WHICH IT PREDICTS. --- No hints or intimations from the Old Testament claimed to be fulfilled in the New. Example: Psalms allusions.

2) THE PROPHECY MUST BE PROVEN TO HAVE BEEN RECORDED PRIOR TO THE EVENT BEING PREDICTED --- Jesus may have predicted the destruction of Jerusalem, but the Gospels were written after this happened. We cannot produce an authentic first century manuscript of a gospel, let alone any written prior to this event. Example: nothing in Daniel can be shown to have been written before 165 BC.

3) THE PROPHECY FULFILLMENT MAY NOT CONSIST OF ANY EVENT CAPABLE OF BEING STAGED FOR THE PURPOSE OF FULFILLING PROPHECY --- Example: Jesus riding into town on a donkey.

4) THE EVENTS BEING PREDICTED MUST CONSIST OF SOMETHING THAT CANNOT BE EXPLAINED BY AN INTELLIGENT GUESS --- Example: Jeremiah predicting that Babylon, clearly an expansionist power, would soon sack Judea. This is mundane punditry, not supernatural prophecy.

5) THE EVENTS MUST HAVE ACTUALLY COME TO PASS --- The fact that the bible says they did is not sufficient in the absence of external confirmation. Example: The flight into Egypt by Jesus, Mary and Joseph.

These criteria are just as equally applicable to prophesy in scriptures other than the Bible and indeed in what might be called prophesy in other contexts.
Does this qualify?

Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
 
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Does this qualify?

Genesis 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

That's prophecy now is it?
 
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Does that mean the end will never come?
What then should we do with the 1/4 to 1/3rd of the Bible, which is unfulfilled prophecy?
Sensible answers, please.

How about praying, living for the Lord, and waiting for it to come to pass without setting these stupid dates?
 
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