The new covenant was given to Israel, not Gentiles

[HARK!]

No, we are those from the nations God promised in covenant to Abraham before Sinai.

Impossible. We weren't with Moses at Sinai.

 

[ralliann]

Impossible. We weren't with Moses at Sinai.

Impossible because of Gods promises made to Abraham. Loosing the Gospel from those promises causes these issues IMO

 

[ralliann]

The olive tree is the nation of Israel(not the 1948 gentile nation called “Israel”)

Ah I see your own form of replacement theology.

 

[Dkh587]

Ah I see your own form of replacement theology.

Where?

 

[YeshuaFan]

Did you read the original post, or any of the previous replies?

the new covenant is between God & Israel, who is the church/ecclesia.

Jeremiah 31:31-33


The new covenant is with Israel, hence God saying “not according to the covenant I made with THEIR fathers”.

The New Covenant is for all who call upon the name of Yeshua, as both Jews and Gentiles are saved by Him!

 

[YeshuaFan]

The olive tree is the nation of Israel(not the 1948 gentile nation called “Israel”)

Israel in middle east are Jews!

 

[HARK!]

Israel in middle east are Jews!

Israel is anyone who is in covenant with YHWH, in Yahshua. Geographic location has nothing to do with it.

 

[HARK!]

The New Covenant is for all who call upon the name of Yeshua, as both Jews and Gentiles are saved by Him!

YHWH's new covenant is with Israel, not Jews, not Gentiles.

(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

 

[YeshuaFan]

That contradicts scripture.

(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

refers to the Second Coming Event, as at THAT time, Israel shall accept Jesus as their Lord and became real Israel of the Spirit, not of the flesh!

 

[YeshuaFan]

Israel is anyone who is in covenant with YHWH, in Yahshua. Geographic location has nothing to do with it.

What is the Church?

 

[YeshuaFan]

YHWH's new covenant is with Israel, not Jews, not Gentiles.

(CLV) Hb 8:10
"For this is the covenant which I shall be covenanting with the house of Israel after those days," the Lord is saying: "Imparting My laws to their comprehension, On their hearts, also, shall I be inscribing them, And I shall be to them for a God, And they shall be to Me for a people.

What is the NT Church?

 

[HARK!]

refers to the Second Coming Event, as at THAT time, Israel shall accept Jesus as their Lord and became real Israel of the Spirit, not of the flesh!

So we're still under the covenant with Moses?

 

[HARK!]

Church

Have you done any serious research as to the origin of this word?

 

[ewq1938]

Actually its the saved Jews, the so call spiritual Jews, that join the Church!

Not quite.

Believing Jews, the disciples, were the original body of Christ and Church. Gentiles joined the body of Christ/Church that these Jewish believers started which of course was first initiated by Christ himself whom they followed which made them the body and Church of Christ.

 

[DamianWarS]

**Disclaimer: Gentiles who believe on the Messiah are grafted into the olive tree, which is Israel - Romans 11. Also, Gentiles who believe on the Messiah are now fellow citizens with God’s people, Israel - Ephesians 2:19. Gentiles who believe in the Messiah are now Israel, and are partakers of the covenant given only to Israel**​

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According to the prophet Jeremiah, the new covenant is only with Israel

Jeremiah 31:31-33


The original covenant was also only made with Israel, according to Jeremiah.

Notice that he did not mention any other nation - he only mentioned Israel(and Judah). He did not say “the house of America”, “the house of Rome”, “the house of Greece” etc

People on here (and in real life) love to say “the old covenant was given only to Israel”, as if the new covenant was not given only to Israel, too.

By their logic, they exclude themselves from the new covenant by default, as the new covenant is only with Israel.

My question is: what covenant are these Gentiles that exclude themselves from Israel and her covenants a part of ?

Did any of the other prophets foretell of another covenant aside from the new covenant that’s only with Israel? If so, what is the covenant, and where is it in the Scriptures?

New Covenant = New Israel

 

[ralliann]

Ah I see your own form of replacement theology.

You want to replace the covenant promises made to Abraham, with covenant promises made to Israel. God made promises To Abraham to be made our father, not Israel.

 

[Dkh587]

New Covenant = New Israel

What do you mean by new Israel?

 

[Dkh587]

You want to replace the covenant promises made to Abraham, with covenant promises made to Israel. God made promises To Abraham to be made our father, not Israel.

Did you mean to quote me? If so, where did I say Israel was our father?

 

[ralliann]

Did you mean to quote me?

No if I had I would have

If so, where did I say Israel was our father?

We must be grafted into Israel to become children of promise We do not need to be graft into Israel. All men have promise in Abraham through Christ.

 

[Dkh587]

No if I had I would have

We must be grafted into Israel to become children of promise We do not need to be graft into Israel. All men have promise in Abraham through Christ.

I didn’t say we must be, we ARE grafted in.

The new covenant is with Israel only

Jeremiah 31:31-33
Hebrews 8:8-10

we can’t be in the new covenant if we are not Israel, which is part of us being in Messiah.

We are grafted into Israel through Messiah, and we join God’s people, which is Israel, and are partakers of the new covenant, made only with Israel, which is what this thread is about.

we can’t say that we are Abraham’s seed, and part of the new covenant, and exclude ourselves from Israel.