I was hoping you’d show where He couldn’t prevent them from doing so.Are you serious? Do you want me to start in Genesis and quote every place God claims people are disobedient to him? I can't make a post that long.
6In those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did what was right in his own eyes.Thanks. That’s clearer. So then God could intervene, but chooses not to sometimes, correct?
That doesn’t answer the question. I know that God allowed it. The question is, could He have prevented it?6In those days there was no king in Israel; everyone did what was right in his own eyes.
That pretty much sums up the majority of human history. Again, to prove what you say about God controlling everything, you have to prove that what they did in every case was actually caused by God's decrees.
So He could, then. If you agree with that, then you agree that He’s completely sovereign over all events.Lol, I never said he couldn't. More twisting of words.
Apparently, not, and still have the type of world that this one is, a world where people can choose God or Satan, good or evil. See, this is not heaven yet, this isn't the new earth where God's rule is complete. He reigns until all his enemies are under his feet. That hasn't happened yet.That doesn’t answer the question. I know that God allowed it. The question is, could He have prevented it?
Just like if He Prevented Judas from betraying Him,Apparently, not, and still have the type of world that this one is, a world where people can choose God or Satan, good or evil. See, this is not heaven yet, this isn't the new earth where God's rule is complete. He reigns until all his enemies are under his feet. That hasn't happened yet.
So like I said, you believe God is powerless to stop certain acts of men.Apparently, not, and still have the type of world that this one is, a world where people can choose God or Satan, good or evil. See, this is not heaven yet, this isn't the new earth where God's rule is complete. He reigns until all his enemies are under his feet. That hasn't happened yet.
With your view, He’s not sovereign over much. But it’s not your view they concerns this thread.Of course God is sovereign. But not according to the all determining definition of sovereign used by high Calvinists.
Not so, again you misunderstand what sovereignty is. Is God subject to his power so that he has to constantly use it? The idea that God has to control everything, in order to succeed in the end, makes him less sovereign, not more.With your view, He’s not sovereign over much. But it’s not your view they concerns this thread.
BTW, thanks for basically staying on topic.
One last time (hopefully). If God can stop something from happening, murder for instance, and does not stop it, He has a reason.Not so, again you misunderstand what sovereignty is. Is God subject to his power so that he has to constantly use it? The idea that God has to control everything, in order to succeed in the end, makes him less sovereign, not more.
One last time (hopefully). If God can stop something from happening, murder for instance, and does not stop it, He has a reason.
Yes I have. Repeatedly.Says your human reasoning... God doesn't think like we do. And that really is not important to the topic. You have not shown that God is all controlling.
Yes.
I did this in General Theology a few years ago because of some of the discussions going on. I thought I’d try it here to see how it goes.
As usual, Reformed Theology is misrepresented by what folks think is being taught. Generally, it’s not accurate, though I’m sure it’s well-intentioned. I’m sure I made some of the same arguments myself.
So here's the challenge. Below you will find links to some various documents that those who hold to Reformed Theology will agree on, at least soteriologically. The challenge is to quote from one of them, and then state why you believe it is incorrect. This will hopefully lead to a reasoned discussion. Any argument that does not start this way will be considered off topic. You are, however, free to start your own thread on that matter.
Here are your links.
The 1689 London Baptist Confession of Faith (I would have used the Westminster Confession, but I'm Baptist )
Canons of Dordt
Heidelberg Catechism
Institutes of the Christian Religion, John Calvin, Christian Classics Books, Bible Study
Please respect what’s being asked. If you cannot, then just post elsewhere. Thanks.
ETA. Since this is now in Soteriology, let’s stick to that.