The New “No Straw Man” challenge

[Hammster]

If I was to use human reasoning, I would suppose that the only way God could have avoided sin being a possibility was to make us robots. The ironic thing is, calvinists basically claim he did make us robots, which makes God the only sinner. If God was really controlling everything, it seems pretty obvious to anyone who really considers it, that his perfect will would always be done and this world to be paradise.

OP fail. Try again.

 

[renniks]

OP fail. Try again.

Lol, since you haven't proven me wrong, why should I try using human reasoning, to prove what scripture has already proven?

 

[Hammster]

Lol, since you haven't proven me wrong, why should I try using human reasoning, to prove what scripture has already proven?

You make a straw man claim.

OP fail.

 

[renniks]

Well, either God is sovereign over all, or He’s not. You seem to believe that He’s not, so I doubt I can convince you with scripture.

No, but you have the wrong idea about what sovereign means. It merely means he's the supreme ruler, not that he chooses to control everything that goes on. Jesus explicitly said that Satan was the prince of this world. And in Genesis man is given dominion over this world. The Bible simply does not portray an all controlling God.

 

[Hammster]

No, but you have the wrong idea about what sovereign means. It merely means he's the supreme ruler, not that he chooses to control everything that goes on. Jesus explicitly said that Satan was the prince of this world. And in Genesis man is given dominion over this world. The Bible simply does not portray an all controlling God.

Okay. So are you saying that there are certain acts of men that God is powerless over?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Okay. So are you saying that there are certain acts of men that God is powerless over?

How did you even get that idea from @renniks post???

His post had nothing to do with your idea of powerlessness.

 

[Hammster]

How did you even get that idea from @renniks post???

His post had nothing to do with your idea of powerlessness.

Where he said “not that he chooses to control everything that goes on.“ Plus, other answers. Thanks for asking. So I’ll wait for his answer.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Where he said “not that he chooses to control everything that goes on.“

Again, THIS has nothing to do with powerlessness at all.
Rather, if anything, ever greater realization for men of His Power, and His Choice, His Decision, His Self-Control (not giving in to man's ways or ideas at all).

 

[Hammster]

Again, THIS has nothing to do with powerlessness at all.
Rather, if anything, ever greater realization for men of His Power, and His Choice, His Decision, His Self-Control (not giving in to man's ways or ideas at all).

The question is still unanswered.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

It's a straw man apparently.

 

[Hammster]

It's a straw man apparently.

No, it’s a legitimate question. Simple yes or no.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Okay. So are you saying that there are certain acts of men that God is powerless over?

No.

 

[Hammster]

No.

Okay. Then He’s in control of all things. And since He’s omniscient, omnipotent, and omniscient, then He’s ordained all things that come to pass.

 

[renniks]

You make a straw man claim.

OP fail.

What strawman?

 

[renniks]

Okay. So are you saying that there are certain acts of men that God is powerless over?

You keep trying to twist what I said. Men are free to make free will choices because God gave them that freedom. God chooses not to intervene in everything. Calvinism true to make God all about his power. God doesn't have to use his power.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Okay. Then He’s in control of all things. And since He’s omniscient, omnipotent, and omniscient, then He’s ordained all things that come to pass.

You keep trying to twist what I said.

Sorry to see.... defending a doctrine that is questionable instead of sticking with God's Plan and Purpose in Scripture as He Clearly Reveals even to "little children" ....

 

[Hammster]

What strawman?

Robots.

 

[Hammster]

You keep trying to twist what I said. Men are free to make free will choices because God gave them that freedom. God chooses not to intervene in everything. Calvinism true to make God all about his power. God doesn't have to use his power.

Thanks. That’s clearer. So then God could intervene, but chooses not to sometimes, correct?

 

[renniks]

Okay. Then He’s in control of all things. And since He’s omniscient, omnipotent, and omniscient, then He’s ordained all things that come to pass.

Not according to God. He says men did things that he did not intend or want.

 

[Hammster]

Not according to God. He says men did things that he did not intend or want.

Where does He say that?