the name of Mohammad in the Old testament

[habibii zahra]

@KWCrazy

You are trying to justify the acts of the crusades..well both crusades and terrorists have nothing to do with Christianity or islam

This book “Bukhari” is not t a trusted book for us we Shia muslims...thus all the narrations from that book is rejected by us

Prophet Mohammad called us to be kind in all the Quran

No when Aisha became mature the marriage happened when she was nine there was no intercourse

So you're telling me that Mohammed and his men had the permission of all the captives and slaves that they raped.

No I am telling you that they used to marry women who were captive not against their will but same as a normal marriage .do you call that raping???



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And yet, even today Muslims are kidnapping girls and selling them for sex slaves.

This is not true this is a fake truth

Our prophet is not a false one he is a true prophet for billions of people

 

[habibii zahra]

Dear HZ, irrational would mean that there was a logical contradiction somewhere. You have recognized that there is no logical contradiction involved in the personal union of two incommensurate things, soul and body. Likewise there is no contradiction involved in the union of Divine and human in the Person of Jesus.
As for what is possible for God, God Himself must tell us, right? And He has told us in the Holy Scriptures that the Incarnation not only is possible but also that it has occurred. We should rejoice!
You affirm that God can be seen through Jesus. How true! Do you agree with the Lord Jesus’ statement, “He who has seen Me has seen the Father” (John 14:9)?

yes I do believe that statement but I do not believe in the incarnation or in the idea of god taking a man as a son

 

[KWCrazy]

Actually "Crazy" Aisha was the third wife of Prophet Muhammad.

According to Anas ibn Malik, the Prophet Muhammad used to visit all eleven of his wives in one night; but he could manage this, as he had the sexual prowess of thirty men. The historian Al-Tabari calculated that Muhammad married a total of fifteen women, though only ever eleven at one time; and two of these marriages were never consummated. This tally of fifteen does not include at least four concubines. source

That's the first I've ever seen that Mohammed only had 3 wives.

 

[KWCrazy]

You are trying to justify the acts of the crusades..well both crusades and terrorists have nothing to do with Christianity or islam

[COLOR=#660000]Not what I said.
I said that if God had authorized the Crusades they would have succeeded.[/COLOR]
[quote]No when Aisha became mature the marriage happened when she was nine there was no intercourse [/quote]
[COLOR=#660000]I stand with the history you disavow.[/COLOR]
[quote]No I am telling you that they used to marry women who were captive not against their will but same as a normal marriage. [/quote]
[COLOR=#660000]They also raped their captives and traded them as sex slaves. That's a historical fact.[/COLOR]
[quote]This is not true this is a fake truth [/quote]
[I][COLOR=#660000]New York Times reporter Rukmini Callimachi recently outlined the Islamic State’s systematic, logistically complex program of sex trafficking of captured Yazidi women and girls. Her narrative is chilling; the survivors’ testimonies are horrifying. It is obvious that ISIS soldiers (and leaders) commit terrible abuses, including widespread rape. In addition to adding specific charges to the year-long trickle of information about ISIS sexual offenses, Callimachi’s story makes a bold pronouncement: the Islamic State espouses a “theology of rape.” [/COLOR][/I] [URL='http://www.huffingtonpost.com/kecia-ali/islam-sex-slavery_b_8004824.html']source[/URL]
[COLOR=#660000]I disagree with nearly everything you say, but you are not a disagreeable person. I sincerely wish that you would renounce the false religion of islam and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior. Then perhaps we could continue this discussion in heaven while sitting together and looking out over eternity with awe-struck expressions. [/COLOR]

 

[Hank77]

these webs contains the prophecy of Mohammad in the bible:
Bible Prophecies of Muhammad (part 2 of 4): Old Testament Prophecies of Muhammad - The Religion of Islam

Bible Prophecies of Muhammad (part 3 of 4): New Testament Prophecies of Muhammad - The Religion of Islam

According to NT scriptures Jesus the Christ is the prophet spoken of in Deut. 18. note Acts 3:22

Act 3:20 and He may send Jesus Christ who before hath been preached to you,
Act 3:21 whom it behoveth heaven, indeed, to receive till times of a restitution of all things, of which God spake through the mouth of all His holy prophets from the age.
Act 3:22 `For Moses, indeed, unto the fathers said--A prophet to you shall the Lord your God raise up out of your brethren, like to me; him shall ye hear in all things, as many as he may speak unto you;
Act 3:23 and it shall be, every soul that may not hear that prophet shall be utterly destroyed out of the people;
Act 3:24 and also all the prophets from Samuel and those following in order, as many as spake, did also foretell of these days.
Act 3:25 `Ye are sons of the prophets, and of the covenant that God made unto our fathers, saying unto Abraham: And in thy seed shall be blessed all the families of the earth;
Act 3:26 to you first, God, having raised up His child Jesus, did send him, blessing you, in the turning away of each one from your evil ways.'

 

[Mediaeval]

yes I do believe that statement but I do not believe in the incarnation or in the idea of god taking a man as a son

At least we agree on that statement. I am glad of that. Which characteristics of God do you see manifested in Jesus? In your view, how did He exemplify these characteristics?

 

[Arthra]

According to Anas ibn Malik, the Prophet Muhammad used to visit all eleven of his wives in one night; but he could manage this, as he had the sexual prowess of thirty men. The historian Al-Tabari calculated that Muhammad married a total of fifteen women, though only ever eleven at one time; and two of these marriages were never consummated. This tally of fifteen does not include at least four concubines. source

That's the first I've ever seen that Mohammed only had 3 wives.

"Crazy"...Please!

See my last post here:

the name of Mohammad in the Old testament

I didn't write that "Muhammad only had three wives".... I wrote that Aisha was His third wife... meaning as in order... His first wife was Khadijih! He was married to her alone for twenty some years... a monogamous marriage in a polygamous society. After Khadijih passed away He married Sawdah bint Zam'a. she was over fifty years of age. A serious attempt was made to assassinate the Prophet and He fled to Medina (The Hijra) and later He married Aisha...His third wife.

See:

Muhammad's wives - Wikipedia

 

[habibii zahra]

They also raped their captives and traded them as sex slaves. That's a historical fact. They also raped their captives and traded them as sex slaves. That's a historical fact

I told you dozens of times that the truth is that they used to marry captives there is no trade as sex slaves ..this is forbidden in Islam ...trading sex slaves in islam is called fornication

Do you call yazeed muslim?? Yazeed killed the household of the prophet and took his women slaves and captives from Iraq into Syria...yazeed is a criminal person whom ALLAH will put him in hell

 

[habibii zahra]

According to NT scriptures Jesus the Christ is the prophet spoken of in Deut. 18. note Acts 3:22

Act 3:20 and He may send Jesus Christ who before hath been preached to you,
Act 3:21 whom it behoveth heaven, indeed, to receive till times of a restitution of all things, of which God spake through the mouth of all His holy prophets from the age.
Act 3:22 `For Moses, indeed, unto the fathers said--A prophet to you shall the Lord your God raise up out of your brethren, like to me; him shall ye hear in all things, as many as he may speak unto you;
Act 3:23 and it shall be, every soul that may not hear that prophet shall be utterly destroyed out of the people;
Act 3:24 and also all the prophets from Samuel and those following in order, as many as spake, did also foretell of these days.
Act 3:25 `Ye are sons of the prophets, and of the covenant that God made unto our fathers, saying unto Abraham: And in thy seed shall be blessed all the families of the earth;
Act 3:26 to you first, God, having raised up His child Jesus, did send him, blessing you, in the turning away of each one from your evil ways.'

So for you jesus is a prophet?? The bible mentioned the raising of a prophet from among the brethren of jews ..it is prophet Mohammad coz he comes from the brethren of jews

 

[habibii zahra]

At least we agree on that statement. I am glad of that. Which characteristics of God do you see manifested in Jesus? In your view, how did He exemplify these characteristics?

Well I see the beauty of ALLAH through jesus I see the mercy of ALLAH through jesus..the power of ALLAH through him...he was given great powers so that he used to revive the dead and cure sick people

 

[Mediaeval]

Divine beauty, mercy, and power--well said, sister! Would you agree that God's love was displayed in Jesus?

 

[Hank77]

So for you jesus is a prophet?? The bible mentioned the raising of a prophet from among the brethren of jews ..it is prophet Mohammad coz he comes from the brethren of jews

Did He speak prophecy?

Mat 24:2 and Jesus said to them, `Do ye not see all these? verily I say to you, There may not be left here a stone upon a stone, that shall not be thrown down.'

Prophecy filled in 70AD.

Jesus couldn't be God come in the flesh, the Son of God, and speak prophecy? Sure He could, He did.

 

[Krikey]

Truly, in Hosea it seems Mohammad is mentioned, it also puts him in with the tribe of Ephraim which is headed for destruction to worship idols and false gods, and ultimately be disowned by God as Ephraim is not even counted in the 12 tribes in the book of revelation. This is all the more reason why if it is a mention of mohammad, proves that muslims are from a lost tribe led astray by their prophet. Truly muslims are supposed to be brothers and sisters in Christ, but they are lost. I pray for them.

Here are a few things that need to be said:

Jesus is mentioned in the koran 25 or more times, in a positive light. Yet there's confusion as to where mohammad is mentioned in the Bible.

Jesus clearly fulfilled over 300 prophecies of the Torah, as the Messiah. Mohammad (the mad prophet) fulfilled the prophecy that the tribe of Ephraim will be led astray by a mad prophet, to serve idols.

The temple of Jerusalem held the genealogical records which could prove the roots of the Messiah, which was destroyed around 70AD (about 500 years before islam begins), which means that the Messiah would have had to be on the scene before the destruction of the temple in order to validate his genealogy. Mohammad was not on the scene. Jesus was.

I think there are many Christians who are afraid to say that Mohammad was a prophet, because they don't know how to fit him into everything. The truth is, there have been many prophets through the ages. We must remember though that prophets are still human, still open to mistakes, and still open to influence of Satan if they are not walking a straight path. If the Bible tells me that Mohammad is misguided, that is all I need to know about him.

As for Jesus, there are so many obvious points to mention but I will say this, instead. Jesus was a prophet, and he was a man, made by the great God above without seed of a man. He is the son of God. This made Him pure, infallible and beautiful in the eyes of God. But when Jesus arrived to be baptized by John the Baptist, the Holy Spirit entered Jesus and lived within Him. And from that point on, He contained within Him the part of God that loved us all deeply. And this is the pivotal turning point where Jesus was no longer "just" a prophet. Jesus cannot be compared to Mohammad...Mohammad,who in all the days of his life, was still just a man.

God bless

 

[Arthra]

We must remember though that prophets are still human, still open to mistakes, and still open to influence of Satan if they are not walking a straight path. If the Bible tells me that Mohammad is misguided, that is all I need to know about him.

Well it's interesting isn't it? Jesus was accused of being under the influence of Beelzebub you'll recall in the Gospel of Luke:

11:15 But some of them said, He casteth out devils through Beelzebub the chief of the devils.
11:16 And others, tempting him, sought of him a sign from heaven.

In the Gospel of Mark Jesus alluded to Himself as a Prophet...

6:2 And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands? 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

6:4 But Jesus, said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.

I don't think the "Bible" tells you "Muhammad is misguided" or that "Mohammad (was) (the mad prophet) ". What's speaking there I believe are your own prejudices that you may have learned from other Christians.

 

[Krikey]

Well it's interesting isn't it? Jesus was accused of being under the influence of Beelzebub you'll recall in the Gospel of Luke:

11:15 But some of them said, He casteth out devils through Beelzebub the chief of the devils.
11:16 And others, tempting him, sought of him a sign from heaven.

In the Gospel of Mark Jesus alluded to Himself as a Prophet...

6:2 And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach in the synagogue: and many hearing him were astonished, saying, From whence hath this man these things? and what wisdom is this which is given unto him, that even such mighty works are wrought by his hands? 6:3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

6:4 But Jesus, said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, but in his own country, and among his own kin, and in his own house.

I don't think the "Bible" tells you "Muhammad is misquided" or that "Mohammad (was) (the mad prophet) ". What's speaking there I believe are your own prejudices that you may have learned from other Christians.

Just to be clear, I have no prejudices against anyone. I also have muslim friends. Also, most of what I have learned of the Bible has been through personal Bible study and not with other Christians because I don't want to sort through the man-made doctrine. What I said is what I read through the Bible and came to understand through prayer.

Satan will always try to discredit God. There were accusations which were properly rebuked. If I say "the sky is not blue!" Does that make me right simply because I said it? People spoke against Jesus, but it did not make them right.

Jesus referred praise to God and not to Himself. He referred to Himself as our brother, and also said "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone," (mark 10:18).

I know that I am in the minority with this understanding, but it seems to me that although we are to honor Jesus, He made it pretty clear that we are to save our worship for God above. Jesus was a prophet and God's son, yes. He was sent to do God's work and fulfill His law, but Jesus came to save us as sinners and funnel our praise TO GOD, and not to Himself. And I will continue to lovingly pray for any who have not accepted Jesus as Messiah.

 

[Arthra]

Jesus referred praise to God and not to Himself. He referred to Himself as our brother, and also said

"Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone," (mark 10:18).
I know that I am in the minority with this understanding, but it seems to me that although we are to honor Jesus, He made it pretty clear that we are to save our worship for God above.

Actually that's not such a bad understanding "Krikey". The Qur'an also has a similar passage!

A good example had ye in Abraham, and in those who followed him, when
they said to their people, "Verily, we are clear of you, and of what ye worship
beside God: we renounce you: and between us and you hath hatred and enmity
sprung up for ever, until ye believe in God alone."

(The Qur'an (Rodwell tr), Sura 60 - She Who is Tried)

- Art

 

[Krikey]

Actually that's not such a bad understanding "Krikey". The Qur'an also has a similar passage!

A good example had ye in Abraham, and in those who followed him, when
they said to their people, "Verily, we are clear of you, and of what ye worship
beside God: we renounce you: and between us and you hath hatred and enmity
sprung up for ever, until ye believe in God alone."

(The Qur'an (Rodwell tr), Sura 60 - She Who is Tried)

- Art

Well, you agree with me because you are not a Christian. It is hard for Christians to understand. Truly, Christ is our Savior. Jesus is our Judge. We love Him, appreciate His sacrifice, follow His teachings, and think of Him always. There is no way to be pure enough to stand before God without accepting the blood of Jesus as our sacrifice. But Jesus came not to distract us from God by worshiping multiple entities, but came to save us from the chains of the law and refocus our attention on God. Jesus was selfless in every way. Although He contains within him a piece of God (the piece that most loves us all), he sends all the praise to the Father (which by doing so the praise will filter down to Jesus, too because He is part of God).

Logically, I understand though why people worship Jesus, directly. He has a piece of God in him and is the son of God. Logically we should worship Him, right? But Jesus defers to God, always and as Christians we are supposed to follow the example of the Christ, so we also are to defer to God, always.

I know I didn't need to make this another long point but for my fellow Christians who read this in the future, I want them to be wholly informed.

 

[Arthra]

Although He contains within him a piece of God (the piece that most loves us all), he sends all the praise to the Father (which by doing so the praise will filter down to Jesus, too because He is part of God).

I think the First chapter of the Epistle to the Hebrews says it better...

1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high: 1:4 Being made so much better than the angels, as he hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.

In order to reflect an "image" you need a mirror...

See:

Strong's Hebrew: 7209. רְאּי (rei) -- a mirror

Consider

25
For she is the breath of the power of God, and a pure
influence flowing from the glory of the Almighty: therefore can
no defiled thing fall into her.
26
For she is the brightness of the everlasting light, the
unspotted mirror of the power of God, and the image of his
goodness.

(Deuterocanonical Apocrypha, Wisdom)

We Baha'is believe Jesus was a Manifestation of God.

Before I forget though I wanted to post an excellent summary of how many Muslims view Prophet Muhammad is prophesied in the Bible as this is close to the thread topic:

Muhammad in the Bible - Wikipedia

 

[habibii zahra]

Divine beauty, mercy, and power--well said, sister! Would you agree that God's love was displayed in Jesus?

for sure

 

[habibii zahra]

Did He speak prophecy?


Mat 24:2 and Jesus said to them, `Do ye not see all these? verily I say to you, There may not be left here a stone upon a stone, that shall not be thrown down.'


Prophecy filled in 70AD.


Jesus couldn't be God come in the flesh, the Son of God, and speak prophecy? Sure He could, He did.

well jesus can be the spirit of god and speak prophecy...god is god ..jesus is the lord the manifestation of god the father