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The Moral Argument

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Assuming one is Christian, but how is what your god says objective if it is only one of many?

"For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God.." Deuteronomy 10:17

My God is the God revealed in Christ Jesus. In Colossians chapter 1, a stunning section of Scripture crescendos to verse 18, expressing God's desire and priority throughout the ages, that in all things, Jesus Christ, is the preeminent One. Preeminent means superior to or notable above all others; superiority in excellence; distinction above others in quality, rank, etc.

www.sharefaith.com/guide/christian-apologetics/preeminence-of-christ.html

Jesus' resurrection from the dead was the proof that was furnished as a public vindication of His radical claims. The death and resurrection of Jesus stands as the ultimate miracle to prove His divine nature. He predicted His resurrection (John 2:19-21), His death was confirmed (John 19:33), Roman soldiers guarded His tomb (Matthew 27:62-66), yet the tomb was empty on the third day, and no claim was made that His body was ever found. Many eyewitnesses claimed to see Him alive (1 Corinthians 15) for 40 days.

www.compellingtruth.org/arguments-divinity-Jesus.html


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Now after looking at this, how do we say that God is good? I'm not saying He is bad, just that He can't be measured by those terms. You would have to ask, "What is God's purpose?". He just exists, and wasn't created with a purpose. He can do whatever He pleases, can't He?

God's purpose that he bestowed unto Himself is to love and be loved in return . (1 John 4:16). But, is one capable of love if there is nothing or nobody to love? It is impossible. So God created the universe and created mankind. Our created purpose is to love God and love our neighbors.(Matthew 22:36-40). This commandment to love is written on our hearts. ( Romans 2:15 )
Love is not an emotion or feeling, it is an action that we choose to do. (1 Corinthians 13). Love has to be a choice. If we did not have a choice to love, we would be nothing more than "lovebots". Our love would mean nothing. That is why God allows so much wickedness to continue. It is because that freedom to choose is so precious that God will allow people to choose not to love.

Since our created purpose was to love God and love each other, if we choose not to do so....we are defective and God will destroy all the defected. Thus, I would be so bold to claim that it is objectively morally good to love. It is the one thing that is common in all cultures, religions, and races and is found all over the globe. Even remote tribes who never even heard of God know about love and believe it to be good. I would argue that this fact alone is evidence to support the existence of God because it was our created purpose.
 
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Though Divine Command theory falls within the ethical subjectivism category, God's decrees and commands are objective in the sense that they are not subject to the dictates of humans. IOW, when God says "you shall have no other gods before Me", that moral obligation comes from a person, God, and is yet objective for us in the sense that it obtains regardless of what we think about it.

This is a point that is often misunderstood.
See here.
 
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"For the LORD your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God.." Deuteronomy 10:17

My God is the God revealed in Christ Jesus. In Colossians chapter 1, a stunning section of Scripture crescendos to verse 18, expressing God's desire and priority throughout the ages, that in all things, Jesus Christ, is the preeminent One. Preeminent means superior to or notable above all others; superiority in excellence; distinction above others in quality, rank, etc.
This is plagiarised from here.
 
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Jesus' resurrection from the dead was the proof that was furnished as a public vindication of His radical claims. The death and resurrection of Jesus stands as the ultimate miracle to prove His divine nature. He predicted His resurrection (John 2:19-21), His death was confirmed (John 19:33), Roman soldiers guarded His tomb (Matthew 27:62-66), yet the tomb was empty on the third day, and no claim was made that His body was ever found. Many eyewitnesses claimed to see Him alive (1 Corinthians 15) for 40 days.
And this is plagiarised from here.
 
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Objective in the argument is used to signify independent of human opinion. Thanks for showing me that my writing was unclear and ambiguous.
Why should it be limited only to the opinions of humans? Is it not also independent of the opinions of angels and demons?
 
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Why should it be limited only to the opinions of humans? Is it not also independent of the opinions of angels and demons?

Sure but the argument is not presented to angels or demons, but people like you. You are a human not a demon or an angel. So technically yea I could have defined it to include those beings, but I did not really see it necessary to tell you the truth. Thanks for the insight.
 
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This isn't the first time you've engaged in intellectually dishonest behaviour.

Sometimes I get lazy. That's about all it is really. Thanks again though. You make me a better apologist. God is using you to help me so much I really do appreciate you.
 
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Sure but the argument is not presented to angels or demons, but people like you. You are a human not a demon or an angel. So technically yea I could have defined it to include those beings, but I did not really see it necessary to tell you the truth. Thanks for the insight.
So why shouldn't it also apply to deities? Why have you drawn the line at humans, angels, and demons?
 
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Sometimes I get lazy. That's about all it is really. Thanks again though. You make me a better apologist. God is using you to help me so much I really do appreciate you.
Having hit rock bottom, you cannot help but drill furiously into the ground.
 
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