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This speculation has been offered by some for the purpose of retaining Euro-centric "antichrist" theology telling that once the Muslim intransigence is obliterated in the Middle East by a pseudo-pre-tribulation war not found in the scope of the prophet's visions, then a Euro-little horn will come and attempt to destroy Israel for some advantage
Read the verses carefully. They are about the post Gog/Magog clean up.

12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.
13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord God.
14 And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search.
15 And the passengers that pass through the land, when any seeth a man's bone, then shall he set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamongog.
16 And also the name of the city shall be Hamonah. Thus shall they cleanse the land.

End of Gog's army, and the land cleansed of the dead bodies. in verse 16. Islam destroyed.

In Ezekiel 39:17-20, a new prophesy, the slaying of them by Jesus, in Revelation 19, 7 years later. 7 years after Gog/Magog and the end of Islam.

17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord God; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.
18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.
19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.
20 Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord God.
21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

No Gog/Magog mentioned after verse 16 - nor in the second feast in Ezekiel 39:17-20. Why not? Because Gog/Magog leads into the 7 years. Sets the conditions for the little horn, as the prince who shall come, to become the Antichrist.

 
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Sorry can't accommodate you on this one Doug

Ezekiel 39 is the battle of Armageddon at the end of the coming tribulation [the 70th week decreed for Israel] .... the same battle [Revelation 14:14-20; 16:1-16; 19:11-21]

.... Satan's beast in the human little horn does not come after, he goes down in flames at Armageddon

Bill Salus and company has inserted a pre-tribulation war that does not appear in the prophetic scriptures ... can't be found there

The Bible prophets are never wrong .... the speculation of men is always wrong .... the Muslim wipe out before the coming tribulation is not only pure speculation, but is is no even rational

Wiping out 400 million Middle Eastern Muslims is idle talk ... not going to happen .... and Israel's promised land expansion will not come until after the battle Armageddon is over .... not before

Salus wrote a book .... and he is wrong .... but he likes the money

.... and he cannot give up His reformation based interpretation of Bible prophecy for fear of losing his credibility .... he and the others of the same cloth have painted themselves into a corner from which they dare not escape

But they should be willing to do it .... better to be straight than crooked .... pleading ignorance will most likely not work

They may not think this is a big deal .... but it is
 
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Ezekiel 39 is the battle of Armageddon at the end of the coming tribulation [the 70th week decreed for Israel] .... the same battle [Revelation 14:14-20; 16:1-16; 19:11-21]
But there are two destruction's in Ezekiel 39. With detailed instructions of cleaning up the land following the first destruction - which specifically in the text as being on Gog's army.

The second destruction is after the clean-up. And Gog's army is not mentioned in that second destruction.

I wasn't talking about Bill Salus's theory. His theory is about a pre-Gog/Magog war, the Psalms 83 war, by the muslim countries having a common border with Israel.... which in his theory, will achieve the status of Israel living in peace before the Gog/Magog invasion of Ezekiel 38. Bill Salus's theory goes on to say that after Psalms 83 war is over, the Gog/Magog countries, those of which are muslim, are the muslim countries not having a common border with Israel - such as Iran (Persia) and Libya.

He may or may not be right. But regardless that has no bering on there being two destructions in Ezekiel 39.
 
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"The second destruction is after the clean-up. And Gog's army is not mentioned in that second destruction."


Scripture?

There is only one battle of Armageddon a the ending of the tribulation period

This battle will be instigated by Satan [gog] and will result in his defeat at the hands of the Lord's intervention .... his entire ploy will fail and he will be tossed into the abyss for 1000 years

.... and then to be released at end of the period to cause another human rebellion of which the Lord will destroy instantaneously .... no bird food .... no clean up required
 
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Read the verses carefully. They are about the post Gog/Magog clean up.

12 And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them, that they may cleanse the land.
13 Yea, all the people of the land shall bury them; and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified, saith the Lord God.
14 And they shall sever out men of continual employment, passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth, to cleanse it: after the end of seven months shall they search.
15 And the passengers that pass through the land, when any seeth a man's bone, then shall he set up a sign by it, till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamongog.
16 And also the name of the city shall be Hamonah. Thus shall they cleanse the land.

End of Gog's army, and the land cleansed of the dead bodies. in verse 16. Islam destroyed.

In Ezekiel 39:17-20, a new prophesy, the slaying of them by Jesus, in Revelation 19, 7 years later. 7 years after Gog/Magog and the end of Islam.

17 And, thou son of man, thus saith the Lord God; Speak unto every feathered fowl, and to every beast of the field, Assemble yourselves, and come; gather yourselves on every side to my sacrifice that I do sacrifice for you, even a great sacrifice upon the mountains of Israel, that ye may eat flesh, and drink blood.
18 Ye shall eat the flesh of the mighty, and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, of rams, of lambs, and of goats, of bullocks, all of them fatlings of Bashan.
19 And ye shall eat fat till ye be full, and drink blood till ye be drunken, of my sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you.
20 Thus ye shall be filled at my table with horses and chariots, with mighty men, and with all men of war, saith the Lord God.
21 And I will set my glory among the heathen, and all the heathen shall see my judgment that I have executed, and my hand that I have laid upon them.

No Gog/Magog mentioned after verse 16 - nor in the second feast in Ezekiel 39:17-20. Why not? Because Gog/Magog leads into the 7 years. Sets the conditions for the little horn, as the prince who shall come, to become the Antichrist.

Either you are misinterpreting scripture in error or you are purposely twisting it to conform to your flawed views?

The final war (during the Great Tribulation and ending towards the end of it with Armageddon) results in accumulative death of armies numbering some 200 million from the east. Armageddon happens during the seven bowl judgments (after we are taken out).The valley is filled with death. " And the winepress was trodden outside the city, and blood came out from the wine press, up to the horses' bridles, for a distance of two hundred miles." Rev. 14:20 This is symbolic and literal language. The blood represents dead bodies but the distance is literal in length multiplied by the width of the valley. This would account for 200 million or more dead, NOT that they all died in that location but at least that much in Israel alone. It gives us a visual of the size of the burial ground. Obviously, the death toll would be in the billions worldwide.

Quick summary of the 7 Trumpets:
1. "In Revelation 8:7, the first trumpet sounds and fire, hail and blood are released. One third of all the trees and grass on earth are burned. I would imagine that one third of the cities will be toast as well."
2. "The second trumpet sounds and something like a huge mountain on fire gets thrown into the sea and kills one third of the life in the sea and destroys one third of the ships in the sea." This may be an asteroid or volcanic eruption. Scientists are predicting a possible super volcanic eruption. Either of these scenarios can kill fish and create massive tsunamis.
3. "The third trumpet sounds and a star falls from heaven that is blazing like a torch. It poisons one third of all the rivers and springs, causing death to those who drink it." Could be an asteroid or a nuke which causes nuclear fallout.
4. "The fourth trumpet sounds and darkness from the smoke that blocks out one third of the sunlight, moonlight and starlight." *An eclipse would explain the sunlight and moonlight but not the starlight being blocked out. It just makes sense that if one third of the planet is on fire, there going to be a lot of smoke.
5. "The fifth trumpet sounds and releases an angel who has the key to the bottomless pit." It's opened, smoke comes out, like the smoke of a great furnace. This supports a super volcanic eruption and this darkens the sky as well -- oh, 200 million demon locusts come through this smoke and sting and torture men for five months!
6. "The sixth trumpet releases four angels who are bound at the Euphrates River. They have been reserved for the specific day and hour to kill one-third of the population.
7. "This is the pivotal point referred to as the last trumpet sound which is the 7th. Many things happen at this time.(Refer to Rev.11:15)
*The Mystery of God is revealed. (Rev.10:7)
*Christ appears!
*The 144,000 Jews are sealed with the Holy Spirit.
*The resurrection of the church occurs. (1 Cor. 15:51-53)
*The kingdoms of the world have become the Lord's.
*The dead are resurrected and judged also. All the souls in Hades that have been waiting for judgment are now given their bodies in the flesh back to suffer on earth during the Great Tribulation period, get thrown into the Lake of Fire and destroyed! That qualifies as a woe! (see Ezek. 37:5, 6)
*We receive rewards according to our deeds.
*The Temple of God is open in Heaven
*Finally, the seven Bowls of wrath in full are released." (quotes from Hell ... If I Know, by Ronald D. Bruno)
"Seven Bowls:
1. Foul and loathsome sores affect all men. (Rev. 16:2)
2. The sea turns to blood and all life in the sea dies. (vs.3)
3. Rivers and springs turned to blood. (vs.4-7)
4. The sun scorches men with fire.(vs.8,9)
5.The Beasts' kingdom is darkened and they gnaw their tongues because of pain. they blaspheme God. (vs.10,11)
6. Euphrates River dries up to allow forces from the east to cross and invade. This is the battle of Armageddon. (vs.12-16)
7. Great Earthquake shakes the entire planet and all buildings and even mountains and islands are leveled. One hundred pound hailstones fall. (vs.17-21) " (quotes from Hell ... If I Know by Ronald D. Bruno)
 
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Either you are misinterpreting scripture in error or you are purposely twisting it to conform to your flawed views?

The final war (during the Great Tribulation and ending towards the end of it with Armageddon) results in accumulative death of armies numbering some 200 million from the east.
Ronald, the final war is Armageddon. But the invasion of Gog/Magog in Ezekiel 38 and concluded in the first half of Ezekiel 39, with the clean up of those dead bodies, is 7 years before Armageddon.

Gog/Magog is not mentioned in Ezekiel 39 after verse 16. Likewise there is no mention of Gog/Magog in Revelation until after the 1000 years are over.
 
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"The second destruction is after the clean-up. And Gog's army is not mentioned in that second destruction."


Scripture?

There is only one battle of Armageddon a the ending of the tribulation period

This battle will be instigated by Satan [gog] and will result in his defeat at the hands of the Lord's intervention .... his entire ploy will fail and he will be tossed into the abyss for 1000 years

.... and then to be released at end of the period to cause another human rebellion of which the Lord will destroy instantaneously .... no bird food .... no clean up required

Straightshot, I quoted the verses and showed you that there are two destruction's in Ezekiel 39, separated from each other by 7 years. Yes, the final bible is Armageddon, but 7 years before then is the destruction of Gog's army, the muslims, ending Israel.

Gog is not mentioned within in Revelation during the time of the beast, because the Ezekiel 38/39 invasion of Gog/Magog will be over before the beast's time begins.
 
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I believe that Satan is addressed by the Lord as "gog".... both in Ezekiel 38 and Revelation 20 .... 1000 years apart

In other words Satan, his beast from the abyss, and the little horn are all part of the same package of his design heading for Armageddon at the end of this present age

So this is why you and I disagree on the matter

..... and it is this difference that has a big impact upon a number of other issues between us as well .... outside of this we pretty much agree on most other exegetical material
 
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Ronald, the final war is Armageddon. But the invasion of Gog/Magog in Ezekiel 38 and concluded in the first half of Ezekiel 39, with the clean up of those dead bodies, is 7 years before Armageddon.

Gog/Magog is not mentioned in Ezekiel 39 after verse 16. Likewise there is no mention of Gog/Magog in Revelation until after the 1000 years are over.
You are an adherent to the 70th week of Daniel, which would imply a 7-year tribulation period. I get it ... got it a long time ago. It used to be acceptable to me a long time ago, but not now.
This view also requires a Temple to be built in Jerusalem with the Jews once again sacrificing animals -- I don't think so. The liberal animal activists would not allow that. Besides, as I said, this would be an abomination to God, who died once and for all for our sins and destroyed the Temple. He prophesied it's destruction and since He is sovereign, He gathered the Roman army to do it as He gathered many armies in history to war against Israel to punish them.
This view requires a 7-year peace treaty and in the middle of that, a breaking of it, revealing who the antichrist is and igniting the second half and worst part of the GT. This is of course based on Daniel 9:24-27, which I believe is a reference to Jesus' First Coming only.
Now, a verse that would apply to both views, is "when they say, 'Peace and safety', sudden destruction comes upon them..."
1 Thes. 5:3 This new Iranian "deal" would not be it, because Israel does not believe that Iran will keep the agreement. They wouldn't be the ones saying Peace and safety. Iran wouldn't make that claim, they don't want it, they terrorize the world. The Palestinians don't really want peace, they are also perpetrators of terror continuously. So, I don't know who this peace treaty would be with. But you probably believe it is with a revived Roman Empire (who btw, if it was the EU / U.S., they are already at peace with Israel).
I think we are done here. My soul purpose was not to debate but to announce a prediction coupled with coming events that may be the beginning of the GT... or not.
 
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"This view also requires a Temple to be built in Jerusalem with the Jews once again sacrificing animals -- I don't think so."


There will be no temple of the Lord's on the mount during the coming 70th week [11:2]

.... and He has said not one stone standing .... there is not to this very day .... and there will not be

And Israel's sacrificial worship today is very different .... this does not include animal sacrifice

The most holy place today is the western wall at the base of the temple mount

When the little horn's armies surround, invade, and occupy Israel at the middle of the 70th week this will cause the destruction of their place at the wall, and a believing remnant part of the nation will flee

The completed Muslim occupation will begin and last for 2300 evenings and mornings [1150 days], and the Lord will intervene, drive the Muslims out [Isaiah 63:1-6; Daniel 7:25-27; 8:9-14]
 
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You are an adherent to the 70th week of Daniel, which would imply a 7-year tribulation period. I get it ... got it a long time ago. It used to be acceptable to me a long time ago, but not now.
This view also requires a Temple to be built in Jerusalem with the Jews once again sacrificing animals -- I don't think so. The liberal animal activists would not allow that. Besides, as I said, this would be an abomination to God, who died once and for all for our sins and destroyed the Temple. He prophesied it's destruction and since He is sovereign, He gathered the Roman army to do it as He gathered many armies in history to war against Israel to punish them.
This view requires a 7-year peace treaty and in the middle of that, a breaking of it, revealing who the antichrist is and igniting the second half and worst part of the GT. This is of course based on Daniel 9:24-27, which I believe is a reference to Jesus' First Coming only.
Now, a verse that would apply to both views, is "when they say, 'Peace and safety', sudden destruction comes upon them..."
1 Thes. 5:3 This new Iranian "deal" would not be it, because Israel does not believe that Iran will keep the agreement. They wouldn't be the ones saying Peace and safety. Iran wouldn't make that claim, they don't want it, they terrorize the world. The Palestinians don't really want peace, they are also perpetrators of terror continuously. So, I don't know who this peace treaty would be with. But you probably believe it is with a revived Roman Empire (who btw, if it was the EU / U.S., they are already at peace with Israel).
I think we are done here. My soul purpose was not to debate but to announce a prediction coupled with coming events that may be the beginning of the GT... or not.
Ronald, you have heard of people living in the past? Well, when I read your post, you are making assertions like were popular on discussion boards ten years ago - and then saying you don't go along with those.

A lot of advancement has been made since then which you don't seem to be latching onto. First it is not a 7 year tribulation period. It is the last week of Daniel 9's 70th week. The great tribulation is nominally 3 1/2 years long, not 7 years.

Also, since ten years ago, it is evident that there are two feasts in Ezekiel 39 which the 7 years of burning the war implements is no coincidental, but fits right in the end times scenario of someone becoming the Antichrist - who initiates that last 7 years.

Also, the term Antichrist itself is better understood to being the King of Israel, instead of Jesus the rightful king. Not just some evil world dictator who is against Jesus. It is not a term interchangeable with the beast, man of sin, little horn.

Also, the Antichrist is not revealed by going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God - but by the act of him overseeing the reading of the law to the nation of Israel, as in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

Also, the confirming of the covenant is not a peace treaty, but is the schmita requirement to commemoratively read the law to the nation of Israel based on the 7 year schmita cycle.

Futhermore, that Jesus did prophesy the destruction of the temple - Jesus did not gather the Romans armies to carry it out, as you are saying. It is in the text of Ezekiel 39:23, that God hide His Face from them so that their enemies overcame them and lead them into captivity, dying by the sword.

The 1thessalonians5 verse about peace and safety is when the Jews have embraced the person as their King of Israel, messiah, after Gog/Magog which btw is a view held by the Jews themselves of when their messiah will arrive. It not by virture of some peace deal. Islam will have been effectively done as a religion, and the muslim countries devastated...as the person confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant there on the temple mount. All within the Jewish view of Jeremiah 31, which they say is not the new covenant in Jesus - but a "renewal" of the Mt. Sinai covenant the giving of the Torah, the law, which they celebrate even today as "Shavout".

Ronald, you are out of touch, trapped in a time warp of ten years ago, eschatologically speaking.
 
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Ronald, you have heard of people living in the past? Well, when I read your post, you are making assertions like were popular on discussion boards ten years ago - and then saying you don't go along with those.

A lot of advancement has been made since then which you don't seem to be latching onto. First it is not a 7 year tribulation period. It is the last week of Daniel 9's 70th week. The great tribulation is nominally 3 1/2 years long, not 7 years.

Also, since ten years ago, it is evident that there are two feasts in Ezekiel 39 which the 7 years of burning the war implements is no coincidental, but fits right in the end times scenario of someone becoming the Antichrist - who initiates that last 7 years.

Also, the term Antichrist itself is better understood to being the King of Israel, instead of Jesus the rightful king. Not just some evil world dictator who is against Jesus. It is not a term interchangeable with the beast, man of sin, little horn.

Also, the Antichrist is not revealed by going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God - but by the act of him overseeing the reading of the law to the nation of Israel, as in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

Also, the confirming of the covenant is not a peace treaty, but is the schmita requirement to commemoratively read the law to the nation of Israel based on the 7 year schmita cycle.

Futhermore, that Jesus did prophesy the destruction of the temple - Jesus did not gather the Romans armies to carry it out, as you are saying. It is in the text of Ezekiel 39:23, that God hide His Face from them so that their enemies overcame them and lead them into captivity, dying by the sword.

The 1thessalonians5 verse about peace and safety is when the Jews have embraced the person as their King of Israel, messiah, after Gog/Magog which btw is a view held by the Jews themselves of when their messiah will arrive. It not by virture of some peace deal. Islam will have been effectively done as a religion, and the muslim countries devastated...as the person confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant there on the temple mount. All within the Jewish view of Jeremiah 31, which they say is not the new covenant in Jesus - but a "renewal" of the Mt. Sinai covenant the giving of the Torah, the law, which they celebrate even today as "Shavout".

Ronald, you are out of touch, trapped in a time warp of ten years ago, eschatologically speaking.
 
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Ronald, you have heard of people living in the past? Well, when I read your post, you are making assertions like were popular on discussion boards ten years ago - and then saying you don't go along with those.

A lot of advancement has been made since then which you don't seem to be latching onto. First it is not a 7 year tribulation period. It is the last week of Daniel 9's 70th week. The great tribulation is nominally 3 1/2 years long, not 7 years.

Also, since ten years ago, it is evident that there are two feasts in Ezekiel 39 which the 7 years of burning the war implements is no coincidental, but fits right in the end times scenario of someone becoming the Antichrist - who initiates that last 7 years.

Also, the term Antichrist itself is better understood to being the King of Israel, instead of Jesus the rightful king. Not just some evil world dictator who is against Jesus. It is not a term interchangeable with the beast, man of sin, little horn.

Also, the Antichrist is not revealed by going into the temple, sitting, claiming to be God - but by the act of him overseeing the reading of the law to the nation of Israel, as in Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

Also, the confirming of the covenant is not a peace treaty, but is the schmita requirement to commemoratively read the law to the nation of Israel based on the 7 year schmita cycle.

Futhermore, that Jesus did prophesy the destruction of the temple - Jesus did not gather the Romans armies to carry it out, as you are saying. It is in the text of Ezekiel 39:23, that God hide His Face from them so that their enemies overcame them and lead them into captivity, dying by the sword.

The 1thessalonians5 verse about peace and safety is when the Jews have embraced the person as their King of Israel, messiah, after Gog/Magog which btw is a view held by the Jews themselves of when their messiah will arrive. It not by virture of some peace deal. Islam will have been effectively done as a religion, and the muslim countries devastated...as the person confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant there on the temple mount. All within the Jewish view of Jeremiah 31, which they say is not the new covenant in Jesus - but a "renewal" of the Mt. Sinai covenant the giving of the Torah, the law, which they celebrate even today as "Shavout".

Ronald, you are out of touch, trapped in a time warp of ten years ago, eschatologically speaking.

OK, I will get in my DeLorean and see if I can get back to the future!
 
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An old ultra-orthodox Rabbi said, The Messiah is coming, we need to call all the Jews back to Israel. One Rabbi asked him, "I have 700 students, what should I do about them?" He said, "Bring them too!" He was asked when will the Messiah come? He said at
the end of the Sabbatical Year -- which ends on Sept. 12, 2015. He gave scriptural references of the gathering of Jews back home. (see article below)
Is it a coincidence that a partial Solar Eclipse will be visible in Israel on the 13th, (which starts on the evening of the 12th and which happens to fall on Rosh HaShanah) and then followed two weeks later by a Super Blood Moon, (the only one in the tetrad that is visible in Israel) and falling on a High Holy Day, Yom Kippur. Note that historically, the Jews in Israel viewed blood moons that fell on Holy Days as signs, warnings that war was imminent.
Is it also a coincidence that Sept. 20th happens to be the end of the 60-day Congressional review of this Iranian Deal?
I've studied eschatology for a long time but never paid attention to anything Rabbis said, nor do I recall them ever prophesying any event. They do anticipate the Messiah coming, yet do not know that He is Jesus. They will though, Romans 11 tells us that the veil will be lifted over their blinded eyes and when they will see Him, they will mourn. I can't imagine how they will feel when they realize that for almost 2000 years, they've rejected Him.
Coupled with the books and reports by key economists (Weidemer, Rickards and Stansberry), who all are predicting an economic collapse within the year, this may be it. I am not setting dates, this Rabbi seems to be though and who better to warn Jews to repent and prepare for the Messiah's return then a Rabbi?
This means, we can be two months away from the beginning of the Great Tribulation Period, in other words, Hell on Earth. It also means our resurrection is near.
I examined these Jewish holidays. Rosh HaShanah is a day of repentance, a time to ask for forgiveness and also a period of judgment. The Feast of Trumpets accompanies this holy day and continues for ten days during which time the books are opened and examined to see who is written in the Book of Life and who is not. On Yom Kippur, Sept. 22/23, they are sealed. I would discern that this sealing coincides with the 144,000 virgin males (Rev.14:3,4) who will be sealed along with the remnant 1/3 Jews together and this sealing, by the Holy Spirit, will take place prior to the destruction on earth. "... Do not harm the earth, the sea, or the trees till we have sealed the servants or our God on their foreheads." Rev.7:3
This remnant of Israel will be protected during the GT, but will not be transformed as we will be.
http://www.breakingisraelnews.com/4...ah-imminent-jewish-world/#hYuCdDkjIUbxQgMD.97
I apologize for the error above. Sept. 23rd is Yom Kippur and the Sept. 28th is Sukkot, which the blood moon falls on.
 
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Well that sure is a load off of my mind, I had been taking a stroke thinking that the tribulation could begin this weekend.
Well, it sounds like we will still be around so I can watch Ohio State get revenge on Virginia Tech....OH---IO:clap:
 
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>He said the Messiah is coming before the end of the Sabbatical year!
Do you mean Messiah ben Joseph or Messiah ben David?
Although the Jews are blinded to the identity of the Messiah, this one was not:
Yitzhak Kaduri predicted in 2007 that after Ariel Sharon's death, the Messiah would come. He was 108 years old and also said he met the Messiah and knew his name. Before he died, he revealed it on Yom Kippur, Yehoshua. Of course the Jews did not receive that well and hushed up about it.
Recently though, another prominent Ultra-Orthodox Rabbi (who also looks 100 years old), Chaim Kanievsky, predicted that the Messiah would return this year - by the end of the Sabbatical Year.
Of course he is referring to the true Messiah, Jesus (whether he realizes it or not). It is scripturally sound that the Jews have been blinded to this day (Romans 11) and will be saved through the Great Tribulation Period. Why is it difficult for you to accept a prophetic vision of a Rabbi? All the prophets were Jews. In Daniel, God him these visions would be sealed up until the end times. Well, ya think maybe the seal has been broken and we are in it?
 
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>Why is it difficult for you to accept a prophetic vision of a Rabbi?
If he was speaking about Messiah ben Joseph - no problem.
In Russian tradition the Messiah ben Joseph is the following man:
"5. And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
7. And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels…
(Revelation 12:5-7)"
The great Moscow princes from Ivan Kalita to Aleksey Mikhailovich considered themselves as the incarnation of the Michael. It's quite natural to be "small Messiah" (Messiah ben Joseph) in Moscow. Why not? Take it easy (in Russian tradition :) )
Sincerely yours,
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>Why is it difficult for you to accept a prophetic vision of a Rabbi?
If he was speaking about Messiah ben Joseph - no problem.
In Russian tradition the Messiah ben Joseph is the following man:
"5. And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
7. And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels…
(Revelation 12:5-7)"
The great Moscow princes from Ivan Kalita to Aleksey Mikhailovich considered themselves as the incarnation of the Michael. It's quite natural to be "small Messiah" (Messiah ben Joseph) in Moscow. Why not? Take it easy (in Russian tradition :) )
Sincerely yours,
Onisim
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If you actually read the article about the 108 year old Rabbi who had a vision, said he saw Elijah in a vision and revealed the name of the Messiah, YSHU - Yeshua, then you would also know he is speaking about Messiah ben David.
 
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Dear Ronald,

I've read about Rabbi Yitzhak at http://eliotelwarapologetics.com/2014/01/11/rabbi-yitzhak-kaduri-predictions/
Can you recommend more thorough description of his predictions? Thank you in advance.

I have two questions.
1. At http://eliotelwarapologetics.com/ I've read "...Rabbi Kaduri wrote that he met the Messiah". But how could he met Jesus (Messiah ben David) if we can met Jesus nowdays only according to the verse: "For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.(Luke 17:24)". If Rabbi met Messiah ben Joseph, there are no problems from Christian point of view.

2. The second question is very important because I'm living in Russia.
At http://eliotelwarapologetics.com/ I've read " On 24 September 2001, Rabbi Kaduri prophesied that the Gog and Magog War will commence and will last for seven or more years, according to Arutz Sheva Israel National Radio broadcast. This war involves a coalition of Islamic nations led by Russia against Israel, America, and the Western European powers."
The identification of the Russia as the country of Gog and Magog was invented by John Cumming in 1855 during Crimean War. Are the well-known events happened in Crimea in 2014, the sign, that the identification of Russia as the country of Gog and Magog is actual now again?

Sincerely yours,
Onisim
 
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