The messiah is almost here

[ViaCrucis]

If Luther is anti-Semitic, then the whole early church is anti-Semitic. How was Luther anti-Semitic, did he hate Jews because of their ethnicity? No, he did not. He despised Judaism but not Jews per se. If Luther is anti-Semitic because he hated Judaism, then Jesus is also anti-Semitic because he called the God of the Jews the devil (John 8:44).

Luther was antisemitic. There's no reason to make excuses for it. There is a long tradition of antisemitism in Christian history that is deplorable and should be addressed with humility and repentance--not justifying it.

Luther would be the first one to tell you not to idolize him. He knew he was a wretched sinner. And that is why Luther's theology matters, not the morality and individual Luther himself. Because it is the Theology of the Cross that is important.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[friend of]

That's Rome. Nothing else comes close to fitting that description

It's actually starting to sound like the Vatican to me, which is located in Rome, no?

 

[dfw69]

My Bible doesn't mention that.

Matt 24 Jesus speaking to the Jewish disciples asking a Jewish question answering a Jewish response when referring to false messiahs and prophets

He’s not talking about false messiahs in Chicago or la

Define "this coming age". Are you simply speaking about the future within this present fallen age? If so, yes. If you are talking about in the Age to Come when God makes all things new, the question becomes moot as there won't be any competing world views since all will be done and finished. Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

The coming false messianic age the Jews create

There's also never been a Buddhist bodhisattvic age. But I don't think it matters, and I'm not concerned about such a thing happening. I don't consider Buddhism to be a true religion, nor do I believe Buddhists are part of some kind of conspiracy, or part of some grand end times narrative.

Ok

Of history. Jesus said that on the ἐσχάτῃ ἡμέρᾳ (eschate hemera), the "last day" He would raise the dead to life everlasting (John 6:39-40). Last day means last day.

Doesn’t make sense does it ?
Last day of human government?
Last day of grace?
Last day of the millennium ?
Last day of earth ?

In Revelation ch. 17. Make special attention to the following details St. John gives us of this vision:

"And he carried me away in the Spirit into a wilderness, and I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was full of blasphemous names, and it had seven heads and ten horns. The woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet, and adorned with gold and jewels and pearls, holding in her hand a golden cup full of abominations and the impurities of her sexual immorality. And on her forehead was written a name of mystery: “Babylon the great, mother of prostitutes and of earth's abominations.” And I saw the woman, drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of the martyrs of Jesus." (Revelation 17:3-6)

Mystery Babylon

The beast she rides upon bears the imperial scarlet, and is described herself as wearing purple and scarlet, the Roman colors. She is described as drunk on the blood of the saints and martyrs.

"This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated; they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while. As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to destruction." - Revelation 17:9-11

The woman, Babylon, is seated on a beast with seven heads representing the seven mountains. Also representing seven rulers, five who have fallen, one is, and one has not yet come (in John's time). There is also an eighth represented by the beast itself.

Yes and Rome was just one of the heads

And finally, "And the woman that you saw is the great city that has dominion over the kings of the earth." (Revelation 17:18)

This doesn’t make sense to you in our day but when she is built it will

The woman, Babylon the prostitute, is a city with dominion over the kings of the earth. She is the city on seven hills, the center of trade and civilization, violent and drunk on the blood of Christian martyrs.

Yes

That's Rome. Nothing else comes close to fitting that description.

Well the messianic age the Jews are about to create may be the prime suspect

I don't believe in a literal millennium.

I do and this is why you probably don’t see what it’s all about

I have no desire to follow after heretics and false teachers coming along with new doctrines to tickle and deceive, which the Scriptures expressly warn about (2 Timothy 4:1-5).

You may already have with the teachings you hold now

The Bible only refers to one Parousia of Jesus Christ. You won't find anywhere that says Jesus has two Parousias.

Says those who can’t seem to fathom the gifts of god in Christ …

Our citizenship is in heaven because we are seated with Christ in heavenly places (Ephesians 2:6). We await, from heaven, the return of our Lord Jesus Christ. Philippians 3:20-21 doesn't say anything about Jesus beaming us up into heaven when he comes. Again, that's just not in the Bible.

Are we? Are you? Not yet …sooo guess what it’s coming

I don’t know about you but I have not received my glorious body yet to be able to be like Christ who went to heaven to sit by his father

When the Lord returns, that's it. Curtains closed, the play is over. All that's left is the after party.

-CryptoLutheran

Nope

 

[dfw69]

It's actually starting to sound like the Vatican to me, which is located in Rome, no?

Wait hold on … let’s see what the Jewish messianic age brings before we make any judgements

 

[Douggg]

Revelation says that the Antichrist will destroy Babylon. Do you understand? So Babylon cannot be something spiritual. It must be something physical. It is a city, a nation.

Not destroyed by the Antichrist (the beast), but destroyed by the ten kings who support the beast.

The ten kings destroy the woman riding the beast in Revelation 17:16-18.

There are several opinions who Babylon the Great is, who the woman is, who the great city is. With good rationale for each view.

My view is the woman herself is not Babylon the Great, but is influenced by Babylon the Great.

That the woman resides on 7 mountains, which lead many, like me, to think that the vatican (the woman) will be burnt to the ground by the ten EU leaders who will side with the beast person. The woman also sits on many waters, i.e. worldwide in many nations.

Babylon the Great's influence has been worldwide, and it is actually God, Who will destroy Babylon the Great.

In Revelation 16, the last of the vials of God's wrath...

17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.

19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

But 323 has no biblical significance.

In gematria it does...

He could become the false prophet or the high priest. I don't think he will become the Antichrist - false King of Israel, because the Jews are looking for a political figure with military ability - which I am looking at Zelensky for that reason instead. Plus, Zeklensky could become the little horn person leader over a group of ten EU leaders.

Zelensky was recently named NY Times Person of the Year. The end times personalities will not emerge in a vacuum when they rise to power. So like Zelensky, the Yanuka is getting a lot of exposure of the Jews clamoring over him, plus the Yanuka has been credited with doing, I think, five healing miracles. Plus, he has labeled with a special title - "the Yanuka".

It is particularly amazing that the two major figures are springing forth at the same time... if both or either is/are the guy(s).

"Could become"? I think you and many others might be reading way too much into this.

 

[ViaCrucis]

It's actually starting to sound like the Vatican to me, which is located in Rome, no?

Mons Vaticanus, from which Vatican City derives its name, is located outside of the old city of Rome and isn't one of the ancient seven hills upon which Rome was built.

What St. John was talking about in the Apocalypse has nothing to do with the Vatican.

If one wants to know what St. John was talking about one should study the early history of conflict between Rome and its persecution of the Church prior to Constantine. For example, there's a pretty good example of the way Rome made allegiance to Caesar--the Beast--a requirement in order for one to engage in buying and selling. It was called the libellus, it was literally a certificate of loyalty which was earned by Roman subjects offering a token sacrifice to the Roman state gods and to Caesar, to demonstrate their loyalty; and it was required in order to buy, sell, trade, etc. Christians, naturally, refused to offer sacrifices and thus were viewed as unloyal, resulting in the Decian Persecution. While the Decian Persecution was not an "active" persecution, such as earlier persecutions and the far worst of them all, the Diocletian Persecution, it was still a persecution. Christians who refused to swear their allegiance to Caesar by offering sacrifices and honoring Caesar's image were considered disloyal and, given Roman prejudice against Christianity that already existed, intensified the charges against Christians as troublemakers, atheists*, and upsetting the social order.

*The charge of atheism was one of the chief charges made against Christians, the term was applied to both Jews and Christians because both groups refused to recognize and worship the recognized gods claiming that the one true God was invisible. One of the most famous examples of this charge comes to us in the Martyrdom of St. Polycarp in the 2nd century (who was the pastor of the Church in Smyrna and one of the original recipients of the book of the Revelation, see Revelation 2:8-11). When Polycarp, an old man in his 80's was brought before the magistrate he was ultimately accused and charged with the crime of atheism, for which he surrendered his life as a blessed martyr for Christ.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[dfw69]

In gematria it does...


"Could become"? I think you and many others might be reading way too much into this.

Will see yeshua

 

[ViaCrucis]

Matt 24 Jesus speaking to the Jewish disciples asking a Jewish question answering a Jewish response when referring to false messiahs and prophets

He’s not talking about false messiahs in Chicago or la

And there certainly were false messiahs, both before the destruction of the Temple and afterward. For example Theudas in the 40's AD, and in the 2nd century Simon bar Kochba. Later on there would be individuals such as Moses of Crete and Sabatai Zvi. In modern times some Hassidic Jews, specifically within the Lubavitcher movement, claimed that Rabbi Menachim Schneerson was the messiah--a position which led to many Jews going so far as to reject the Jewishness of the Lubavitcher movement altogether.

So, yes, Jesus was warning His disciples about false messiahs. Something that has happened a number of times over the last two thousand years. Moreso outside of Judaism than within. Just look at the last century, with figures such as David Koresh. Wikipedia has a decent list of people who claimed to be the messiah/claimed to be Jesus. That's why Jesus is very clear that, concerning His return it will be without warning, it will be sudden, and nobody can know when it will happen. When He comes it will be Him, and it will be obvious. Nobody will have to say, "There he is" or "look he's in the desert", there will be false messiahs and false prophets, just as there would be wars, rumors of wars, natural disasters and so forth; not signs of the end, but rather the birth pangs of a fallen and injured creation filled with sinners (c.f. Romans 8:18-20).

The coming false messianic age the Jews create

A claim without any basis in Scripture, and comes across as nothing more than an antisemitic conspiracy theory.

Ok



Doesn’t make sense does it ?
Last day of human government?
Last day of grace?
Last day of the millennium ?
Last day of earth ?

The Last Day of this present age. That's what the Bible means when it speaks of the last day--the day when Christ returns, the day of Judgment, the day when the dead are raised, the day when God shall accomplish all that He has set out to accomplish.

Mystery Babylon

Yes, because it isn't literal babylon. It is "Babylon" revealed in mystery, that's what Rome was.

Yes and Rome was just one of the heads

The heads are hills and kings, not empires or cities. The woman is the city, and the beast she rides upon is the power of empire wielded by the Roman basileis, the rulers (aka emperors) of Rome.

This doesn’t make sense to you in our day but when she is built it will

Every prediction thus far about the future I've seen on this forum hasn't come to pass. Before I was even on this forum I used to see, on another forum, followers of Harold Camping. They had lots of predictions too and they told me the same thing--it's going to happen. Then it didn't, and they didn't bother to come back and talk about it, can't imagine why.

Yes


Well the messianic age the Jews are about to create may be the prime suspect

If you replaced "Jews" with lizard people, it would be just as biblical.

I do and this is why you probably don’t see what it’s all about




You may already have with the teachings you hold now

I believe what Christians have always believed. If you want to call into question the basic teachings of Christianity, you are free to do so. But I remain committed to the word of God and to the faith which we have received from the beginning.

Says those who can’t seem to fathom the gifts of god in Christ …

So you are appealing to extra-biblical revelation then?

Are we? Are you? Not yet …sooo guess what it’s coming

I don’t know about you but I have not received my glorious body yet to be able to be like Christ who went to heaven to sit by his father




Nope

Ephesians says we are, present tense, seated with Christ in heavenly places. The saints reign with Him right now, we are with Him as He is at the right hand of the Father. We are present there not in body, but through the mystery of God's grace. We are *in* Christ.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Maria Billingsley]

So if your view is wrong , are you a deceiver or just wrong in your interpretation? would you classify yourself teaching an abomination or expect others to label you a deceiver?

I have taken the time to discern. I don't expect you to do the same. I was once in your system and now I am out of it. So just reaching out to others that have been blind sided. This is my last post. Be blessed.

 

[dfw69]

And there certainly were false messiahs, both before the destruction of the Temple and afterward. For example Theudas in the 40's AD, and in the 2nd century Simon bar Kochba. Later on there would be individuals such as Moses of Crete and Sabatai Zvi. In modern times some Hassidic Jews, specifically within the Lubavitcher movement, claimed that Rabbi Menachim Schneerson was the messiah--a position which led to many Jews going so far as to reject the Jewishness of the Lubavitcher movement altogether.

So, yes, Jesus was warning His disciples about false messiahs. Something that has happened a number of times over the last two thousand years.

Yes and there will be more so if a Jewish messianic age begins soon and last for quite a while

Moreso outside of Judaism than within. Just look at the last century, with figures such as David Koresh. Wikipedia has a decent list of people who claimed to be the messiah/claimed to be Jesus. That's why Jesus is very clear that, concerning His return it will be without warning, it will be sudden, and nobody can know when it will happen. When He comes it will be Him, and it will be obvious. Nobody will have to say, "There he is" or "look he's in the desert", there will be false messiahs and false prophets, just as there would be wars, rumors of wars, natural disasters and so forth; not signs of the end, but rather the birth pangs of a fallen and injured creation filled with sinners (c.f. Romans 8:18-20).

They are signs and birth pains comes before the birth of a manchild

A claim without any basis in Scripture, and comes across as nothing more than an antisemitic conspiracy theory.

So if a messianic age does in fact takes place soon would you still hold to it being an antisemitic conspiracy theory ?

The Last Day of this present age. That's what the Bible means when it speaks of the last day--the day when Christ returns, the day of Judgment, the day when the dead are raised, the day when God shall accomplish all that He has set out to accomplish.

So do you see another age coming after this current age? What is that called ? Eternity?

Yes, because it isn't literal babylon. It is "Babylon" revealed in mystery, that's what Rome was.

Assumption that Babylon is Rome no scripture says mysterious Babylon is Rome

The heads are hills and kings, not empires or cities. The woman is the city, and the beast she rides upon is the power of empire wielded by the Roman basileis, the rulers (aka emperors) of Rome.

More assuming viacrucis

Every prediction thus far about the future I've seen on this forum hasn't come to pass.

This is the discussion of eschatology not a school of prophets

Every prophecy in scripture has its time to be fulfilled

Before I was even on this forum I used to see, on another forum, followers of Harold Camping. They had lots of predictions too and they told me the same thing--it's going to happen. Then it didn't, and they didn't bother to come back and talk about it, can't imagine why.

You mean the rapture? Pretrib ? Will see

I believe what Christians have always believed. If you want to call into question the basic teachings of Christianity, you are free to do so. But I remain committed to the word of God and to the faith which we have received from the beginning.

the rapture is Paul message from the beginning for anyone to read and see for themselves that Jesus comes two different times

Church fathers been wrong before and so are the traditions of men

So you are appealing to extra-biblical revelation then?

I believe I have received from my father correctly the teachings of the rapture

Ephesians says we are, present tense, seated with Christ in heavenly places. The saints reign with Him right now, we are with Him as He is at the right hand of the Father. We are present there not in body, but through the mystery of God's grace. We are *in* Christ.

-CryptoLutheran

God calls thing that be not as though they are … by faith we will be in heaven some day if we remain in the faith

It’s kinda like this scripture
1 John 3:2 notice how it says we are now god’s children but we don’t appear to be?
But when he appears we will becoming like him? Eternal ..and like the children of god

Rev 1:14-16 reveals what our transformation will look like

 

[dfw69]

I have taken the time to discern. I don't expect you to do the same. I was once in your system and now I am out of it. So just reaching out to others that have been blind sided. This is my last post. Be blessed.

You too sis peace

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Will see yeshua

In what context are you saying this? what do you mean?

 

[dfw69]

In what context are you saying this? what do you mean?

You said many are reading to much into this

You may have been talking about the gematria In which I agree


But I may have assumed you meant the Yanuka being the possible future Jewish messiah so I said “will see”

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

You said many are reading to much into this

But I may have assumed you meant the Yanuka being the possible future Jewish messiah so I said “will see”

Yes I meant the Yanuka...people are reading too much into this...as I said before, he was not born in Bethlehem

 

[whatisinausername]

If the messiah is almost here then the Messianic age is about to begin …

He already arrived. His name is Donald Trump. He is the self proclaimed King of the Jews, the Seconding coming of God, and the Chosen one. He had four wives, like what Muhammad limited to other men.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

He already arrived. His name is Donald Trump. He is the self proclaimed King of the Jews, the Seconding coming of God, and the Chosen one. He had four wives, like what Muhammad limited to other men.

Self proclaimed LOL!?? I don't remember Trump being born in Bethlehem either...I hope you were joking

 

[whatisinausername]

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

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Trump is not saying that...someone else is. The key word is "LIKE". Yes Trump has done much for Israel.

 

[whatisinausername]

Trump is not saying that...someone else is. The key word is "LIKE". Yes Trump has done much for Israel.

Let me explain this to you. That was incredibly inappropriate to say much less to quote as a President of the United States. It really doesn't matter because despite everything he did he attracts to a certain category of people.
They'll find themselves before God and they'll see all their dreams of riches.

Just bite into this apple. It's the best. I say to you this is the best.
Best apple. I am telling you the best. You'll be so smart you don't have to pay taxes.