The messiah is almost here

[friend of]

Did Trump really say that? What a maniac.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Let me explain this to you. That was incredibly inappropriate to say much less to quote as a President of the United States. It really doesn't matter because despite everything he did he attracts to a certain category of people.
They'll find themselves before God and they'll see all their dreams of riches.

You do not need to explain it to me. I don't even know the context it was presented in. He has done great things for israel.
Five years ago President Trump recognized Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.

“I have determined that it is time to officially recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel. While previous Presidents have made this a major campaign promise, they failed to deliver. Today I am delivering.”

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Did Trump really say that? What a maniac.

I think someone else said it about him.

 

[Emun]

Luther was antisemitic. There's no reason to make excuses for it. There is a long tradition of antisemitism in Christian history that is deplorable and should be addressed with humility and repentance--not justifying it.

Luther would be the first one to tell you not to idolize him. He knew he was a wretched sinner. And that is why Luther's theology matters, not the morality and individual Luther himself. Because it is the Theology of the Cross that is important.

-CryptoLutheran

You claim that I idolize Luther. That is very far-fetched.

I didn't say Luther wasn't an anti-Semite, I said that if he was an anti-Semite because he hated Judaism, then Jesus is also an anti-Semite because he called the God of the Jews the devil (John 8:44) and said their synagogues are of the devil (Revelation 2:9). Luther was inspired by Jesus his Lord.

 

[dfw69]

He already arrived. His name is Donald Trump. He is the self proclaimed King of the Jews, the Seconding coming of God, and the Chosen one. He had four wives, like what Muhammad limited to other men.

In order for a Jewish messianic age to arrive there will be one man anointed king of the Jews like Saul..the first king

like Solomon he will built a temple dedicated to god and temple worship will begin with morning and evening sacrifices

He is not going to be a self proclaimed king of the Jews

He will be a Jewish man and son of David

A man of peace and prosperity

 

[dfw69]

You claim that I idolize Luther. That is very far-fetched.

I didn't say Luther wasn't an anti-Semite, I said that if he was an anti-Semite because he hated Judaism, then Jesus is also an anti-Semite because he called the God of the Jews the devil (John 8:44) and said their synagogues are of the devil (Revelation 2:9). Luther was inspired by Jesus his Lord.

Just to be clear emun he didn’t call the god of the Jews the devil John 8:44

He is the son of the god of the Jews so he not calling his father the devil


He accused the leaders of the Jews worshiping satan and following doctrines of devils because he knew in their hearts they were not really pious and holy nor following true Judaism before the true god of Israel ,they were liars and hypocritical and lived contrary to true doctrine

They used their position of power to destroy lives and Jesus was one of their victims

Their works were devilish satanic and contrary to the works of the law they were supposed to be examples of

If you do the works of Jesus then Jesus is your father
If you do the works of satan ,satan become your father

 

[Timtofly]

He accused the leaders of the Jews worshiping satan and following doctrines of devils because he knew in their hearts they were not really pious and holy nor following true Judaism before the true god of Israel ,they were liars and hypocritical and lived contrary to true doctrine

True Judaism? Sounds like what a Catholic would say about True Christianity.

Judaism is a religion. Christianity is a religion. Islam is a religion. None of them are Biblical followers of God. As a religion, they are followers of human theology.

The authority of religion is apostate in all forms.

A person who is redeemed is a follower of the Holy Spirit. Anything else would be doctrines of devils.

 

[dfw69]

True Judaism? Sounds like what a Catholic would say about True Christianity.

Judaism is a religion. Christianity is a religion. Islam is a religion. None of them are Biblical followers of God. As a religion, they are followers of human theology.

The authority of religion is apostate in all forms.

A person who is redeemed is a follower of the Holy Spirit. Anything else would be doctrines of devils.

What are you saying the teachings of Jesus is a religion? And apostate?

The holy spirit testimony is of Jesus

Listen to what the word says Roman 8:15

 

[ViaCrucis]

You claim that I idolize Luther. That is very far-fetched.

I didn't say Luther wasn't an anti-Semite, I said that if he was an anti-Semite because he hated Judaism, then Jesus is also an anti-Semite because he called the God of the Jews the devil (John 8:44) and said their synagogues are of the devil (Revelation 2:9). Luther was inspired by Jesus his Lord.

This sounds like Marcionism.

No, Jesus did not call "the God of the Jews the devil", he rebuked those religious leaders for their religious hypocrisy and said "you are of your father the devil", because they were imitating the devil in their hypocrisy, bitterness, and violent attitudes. All who act like the devil are children of the devil through their behavior and hypocrisy.

We worship the God of the Jews, He is the one God who made heaven and earth, all things both seen and unseen. We worship the Jewish Carpenter from Galilee. That's Christianity. Marcion was a heretic. And antisemitism, like all forms of bigotry, prejudice, and hatred, is of the devil. It is the spirit of antichrist that leads men to hate their fellow man, for in hating others one shows themselves to hate Christ who says, "Whatever you have done to the least of these you have done it unto Me". And St. John has said in his epistle, that whoever says they love God but hates their brother is a liar and the truth is not in them.

Repent.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

You claim that I idolize Luther. That is very far-fetched.

I didn't say Luther wasn't an anti-Semite, I said that if he was an anti-Semite because he hated Judaism, then Jesus is also an anti-Semite because he called the God of the Jews the devil (John 8:44) and said their synagogues are of the devil (Revelation 2:9). Luther was inspired by Jesus his Lord.

Our Jewish God, Lord, and King, Jesus Christ. was not a hater of Himself or His kinsmen of Israel. I regard even suggesting that the Lord was antisemitic to be blasphemous.

Luther was a sinner who sinned by speaking evil against his Jewish neighbors. And he himself became a hypocrite, for he had himself written in his Large Catechism that the commandment not to murder includes not even speaking evil about our neighbor.

Luther was a sinner. And he will be judged for what he said concerning the Jewish people. As each and every single one of us will have to stand before the Throne of Judgment on the Last Day and give account for every thought, every word, every action, whatever was done both in open and in secret.

If you hate the Jews, or if you hate others for believing things differently than you, then you make yourself a child of the devil who was a liar, a thief, and a murderer from the beginning. Therefore, repent.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Emun]

This sounds like Marcionism.

No, Jesus did not call "the God of the Jews the devil", he rebuked those religious leaders for their religious hypocrisy and said "you are of your father the devil", because they were imitating the devil in their hypocrisy, bitterness, and violent attitudes. All who act like the devil are children of the devil through their behavior and hypocrisy.

We worship the God of the Jews, He is the one God who made heaven and earth, all things both seen and unseen. We worship the Jewish Carpenter from Galilee. That's Christianity. Marcion was a heretic. And antisemitism, like all forms of bigotry, prejudice, and hatred, is of the devil. It is the spirit of antichrist that leads men to hate their fellow man, for in hating others one shows themselves to hate Christ who says, "Whatever you have done to the least of these you have done it unto Me". And St. John has said in his epistle, that whoever says they love God but hates their brother is a liar and the truth is not in them.

Repent.

-CryptoLutheran

Context of John 8:44:

41 You are doing the deeds of your father.” They said to Him, “We were not born as a result of sexual immorality; we have one Father: God.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I came forth from God and am here; for I have not even come on My own, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand [what I am saying? It is because you cannot listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil

Jesus calls the God of the Jews the devil.

 

[ViaCrucis]

Did Trump really say that? What a maniac.

It was a quote from someone else. But Trump certainly seemed to enjoy it.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[ViaCrucis]

Context of John 8:44:

41 You are doing the deeds of your father.” They said to Him, “We were not born as a result of sexual immorality; we have one Father: God.” 42 Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I came forth from God and am here; for I have not even come on My own, but He sent Me. 43 Why do you not understand [what I am saying? It is because you cannot listen to My word. 44 You are of your father the devil

Jesus calls the God of the Jews the devil.

Jesus still doesn't call the God of the Jews "the devil", and you are advocating wickedness and heresy by saying so. That is the spirit of antichrist.

Marcionism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Emun]

Jesus still doesn't call the God of the Jews "the devil", and you are advocating wickedness and heresy by saying so. That is the spirit of antichrist.

Marcionism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

-CryptoLutheran

Then you better change religion if you call Luther and the church fathers antichrists.

 

[Emun]

@dfw69 @ViaCrucis
Just to clarify:

I know that Jesus is an ethnic Jew. But what I mean by Jews are the followers of Judaism who reject the gospel. According to Jesus, they worship the devil. This is quite simple to understand. But obviously some here are not able to understand.

And regarding this Lutheran who defames Luther here. Luther knew the Bible better than you and me. He knew of course that Jesus was a Jew. The absurd claim that he hated Jews is simply an invention of Christian haters who aim to defame Christian history. As with the case of Constantine, who is said to have been an Arian. Which is also a fabricated lie. Therefore I say again: Luther hated Judaism, but not the Jews.

 

[whatisinausername]

In order for a Jewish messianic age to arrive there will be one man anointed king of the Jews like Saul..the first king

I think that is what will happen if he gets reelected

 

[ViaCrucis]

Then you better change religion if you call Luther and the church fathers antichrists.

Oy veh.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[Emun]

Oy veh.

-CryptoLutheran

Yes, you really should change your religion. You insult Luther, you insult the church fathers. Although their thinking was purely biblical.

And regarding Marcionism. That's a heresy, of course. But as I said, you have to learn to distinguish between ethnic Jews and religious Jews. Religious Jews, who belong to Judaism, are condemned in the Bible. Their God is not the Christian God. The beloved apostle Paul was also an ethnic Jew. Through him, we can see that there are true Christians among the Jews as well.

You seem to be liberal. I have heard that Lutherans are generally liberal. Luther would be disappointed.

 

[dfw69]

@dfw69

I know that Jesus is an ethnic Jew. But what I mean by Jews are the followers of Judaism who reject the gospel. According to Jesus, they worship the devil. This is quite simple to understand. But obviously some here are not able to understand.

Judaism is not evil Jesus came to teach the proper way to practice Judaism

 

[Emun]

Our Jewish God, Lord, and King, Jesus Christ. was not a hater of Himself or His kinsmen of Israel. I regard even suggesting that the Lord was antisemitic to be blasphemous.

Luther was a sinner who sinned by speaking evil against his Jewish neighbors. And he himself became a hypocrite, for he had himself written in his Large Catechism that the commandment not to murder includes not even speaking evil about our neighbor.

Luther was a sinner. And he will be judged for what he said concerning the Jewish people. As each and every single one of us will have to stand before the Throne of Judgment on the Last Day and give account for every thought, every word, every action, whatever was done both in open and in secret.

If you hate the Jews, or if you hate others for believing things differently than you, then you make yourself a child of the devil who was a liar, a thief, and a murderer from the beginning. Therefore, repent.

-CryptoLutheran

You said: Luther was a hypocrite, Luther will be judged. Luther was a sinner.

Mate, really, It's time to change your religion. Convert to Judaism. I think that's the better place for you.

I love Luther and the Reformers, I love the Church Fathers. They were great teachers inspired by the spirit of Jesus Christ.