the Mandela Effect...

[Howard1955]

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[Howard1955]

Chuck had an engineering and science background and some interesting past work relationships. He had a unique perspective on some of the phenomenon around that really can throw people off course. But he seemed very focused and knew scripture and had a true heart for Jesus as was evident more than once in his messages. And I'll leave it at that.

If evidence of that truck kit ever shows up I'll let you know lol !

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I think he is someone I would have enjoyed meeting. We have some of his books and DVD’s.

I would be interested in hearing about it, if you learn more about your truck, or your memory.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

If I see the sky is blue, I will say the sky is blue.

If someone else does not see the blue, that is not a problem (except with some job occupations).

When someone says the sky is gray because a giant rabbit made it gray, that is not going to be accepted. It is not truth.

If someone says the effects of a giant rabbit are causing the various effects that are explained IN SCRIPTURE, then also it will not be accepted, and should not be.

If the mandela effect was in harmony with Scripture, with things as God explains them, then it would be okay.
The Bereans would test it as they did all messages - even messages from an apostle or from a supposed angel of light,
and if it was not in line with Scripture, they rejected it.

Today the Bereans would test , until proven true or false, the statements of the mandela effect, by Scripture.

That is what every believer is called to do.

Since the statements of the mandela effect are real, (or even if they were just imagined),
and they are explained in Scripture, it
is totally
proper to stay with Scripture, and explain the effects as God does.

 

[Howard1955]

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[Dave G.]

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I think he is someone I would have enjoyed meeting. We have some of his books and DVD’s.

I would be interested in hearing about it, if you learn more about your truck, or your memory.

Interesting guy for sure.

I just scratch my head about the truck. I know I built one, in fact it was the last model I built unpainted and I was ten or eleven yo or so. Well,maybe not the last but it was one of the first that wasn't glue bomb though.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

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Love you, brother.

Adios.

Remember Jesus Words: If you loved me, you would listen to me. (test everything, verify it, but don't claim to love me if you continue in error after hearing the truth).

 

[Howard1955]

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[The Parson]

The truth can set people free....

Here you go quoting a scriptural reference that's no longer there...

Does anyone here recall seeing the word ‘pound’ used in the parable of the talents?

Parson?

Not that I recall. Let me look at that...

 

[The Parson]

Pounds, not talents? So the pound sterling is part of the 1st century economy now? The King James translators didn't and wouldn't have made that substitution. Of that I'm sure.

 

[Lulav]

I often think of the account of Peter walking on the water with Jesus. As long as he kept his attention on the Lord, he was okay - but when he got distracted by the storm around him, he sank.


We must keep our focus on the Lord, no matter what is going on around us.


Whatever is going on, it’s massive and affects much more than just some printed words. It does not help us if we argue with each other. The fact is, some of us are seeing changes while others are not. Rather than trying to convince others that I’m right, I have decided to simply state what I see, and allow others to do the same.


I’ve identified twelve possible explanations of the QE/ME. Here they are:



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THE QUANTUM/MANDELA EFFECT




I’ve always understood that ‘Reality’ is malleable. The miracles we read about in the Bible, and sometimes witness firsthand, are powerful demonstrations of the changeable nature of things.


But if I hadn’t been personally confronted by what we’re calling the ‘Quantum Effect’ (or the ‘Mandela Effect’) I probably wouldn’t believe it to be true.


Partly, that’s because of the seemingly random occurrences of the QE/ME, and partly it’s because of the staggering scope of the thing.


On one hand, we have odd little changes that seem to have little (if any) importance. Things like an author’s name suddenly changing, or some trivial detail in a movie suddenly changes...


Then on the other hand, the entire geography of the planet seems to be changing. Absolutely stunning, impossible changes - but the weirdest part of it is, most people don’t see that anything has changed.


I’ve been considering this for awhile, and praying about it. There are several possibilities/explanations I’ve encountered (or that have come to mind) as I try to understand what’s happening.



POSSIBLE EXPLANATIONS



Possibility (1) - Christ’s Return & The End of the Age


We are nearing the return of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the powers & activities in The Heavens are in closer proximity to us. Some might say “The veil is thinning.” There could be powers and activities in the Heavens that are causing what we call the ‘Quantum Effect’, or ‘Mandela Effect’.



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Possibility (2) - Altered Perceptions


Nothing has changed, but (for those of us who see the changes) our perceptions have been altered. It may be that some unknown Power has the strange effect of altering human perception, and those of us who are noticing the QE/ME are simply a bit more sensitive to that influence. Whether that influence is coming from another dimension (Heaven?), or from activities here on Earth (CERN, D-Wave Quantum computers?), or some combination of sources - who knows?



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Possibility (3) - Creation’s Foundational Laws Are Being Tampered With


There is a prophecy in the Bible (the Daniel 7:25 prophecy) that seems to be saying that the Enemy will be granted some extra authority/leeway, just prior to the end of this Age. In the prophecy, it states that he will ‘desire to change Times, and Laws’.


Many have thought the “times & laws” statement applies to human calendars, kingdoms, and such. But - what if the prophecy is telling us that the fallen angels are going to attempt to change the foundational laws of Creation? That they will actually start to monkey around with Time itself?


(2 Thessalonians 2:8-10 supports the idea that the Enemy will cause massive confusion just prior to the end of the Age.)



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Possibility (4) - The ‘Strong Delusion’ Is Upon Us


The prophecy in 2 Thessalonians includes a statement that says God is going to send a ‘Strong Delusion’ upon the Earth.


If the QE/ME is part of that delusion, then which group is seeing the Truth? Those who are affected by the QE/ME, or those who don’t see any changes?



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Possibility (5) - Confabulation


It’s all a shared mis-remembering, a Confabulation. Modern communications have allowed us to share our experiences with each other as never before, and have allowed people to connect with others who have the same faulty memories.



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Possibility (6) - Multiple Universes Are Mixing Together


The ‘Multiple Universes’ theory is correct, and for some reason there is a crossing/blending/confusion of the universes.



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Possibility (7) - Multiple Timelines Are Mixing Together


The ‘Multiple Timelines’ theory is correct, and for some reason there is a crossing/blending/confusion of timelines. (This theory may simply be another way of describing the ‘Multiple Universes’ theory.)



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Possibility (8) - We Are In A Simulation


We exist within a simulation (like in the movie “The Matrix”), and someone/something is monkeying around with the programming.



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Possibility (9) - We Are Dead


We are dead, and in some type of holding area that closely resembles the world we once inhabited.



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Possibility (10) - We Have Been Moved


We have been moved (by some unknown Power) to a duplicate Earth, where some things are the same, and some things are different than the world we once inhabited.



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Possibility (11) - A Combination Of Things



Some combination of Possibilities 1-10 is happening.



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Possibility (12) - We Cannot Know


We have absolutely no frame of reference for what is happening. It is so far out of our ability to comprehend, we simply cannot know what is going on. We are so completely out of our depth that we cannot even form a useful question about what is happening.


(Remember Richard Feynman and his ‘bug in the swimming pool’?)


Here’s a link to that discussion:

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SUMMARY



Either the changes are happening, and some (most?) people don’t notice - or the changes are not happening, but some people are perceiving them as real.


I believe the changes are real, and of all the explanations I’ve encountered my best guess is that Possibility 3 is what we are experiencing (the Daniel 7:25 prophecy is unfolding).


To me, it looks as if some Power is reaching into the past, and making changes there. The changes then ripple forward through Time, affecting our present reality. (Although... How this could change the geography of the planet, I do not know. But it may be that the QE/ME is a completely separate issue from the geographic changes. Or, the QE/ME may be much larger than, and encompass much more, than Time Manipulation.


But - If this (manipulation of Time) is happening, then the random/trivial changes we are seeing could be the result of that Power simply getting a feel for the controls of the system they’re using. Like someone getting into the driver’s seat of a car, and fiddling around with the controls to see how everything works.


And - If this is the case, then it is possible that the truly mind-boggling stuff hasn’t happened yet. When they figure out all the controls (Hey, where’s the clutch on this thing?), then the serious changes will begin. Something major, like... making it seem that the Lord Jesus Christ never existed... or, completely re-writing the Bible... or, making it seem that the Bible never existed... (Amos 8:11 - Behold, the days come, saith the Lord GOD, that I will send a famine in the land, not a famine of bread, nor a thirst for water, but of hearing the words of the LORD


The Word of God (that is, the Lord Jesus Christ himself) cannot be changed - but the Bible can, and has been changed.


The clearest example of someone changing the Bible is the re-writing of the scriptures that was done by the homosexuals. They rewrote the King James Bible, leaving out the scriptures that offended them. Their version of the Bible is called the Queen James Bible, and can be purchased on Amazon.com.


In bygone days, the re-writing (or copying) and dissemination of a book took a long time. Then, the printing press was invented. Still, it took time to copy - or rewrite - a book.


But now, we can cut-and-paste changes into a written document or book with a few keystrokes. Another press of a button, and the altered writing is on the internet, available worldwide.


Advances of technology have allowed this kind of thing to be done. The early scribes, carefully copying one letter at a time, had no inkling that such technology was even possible.


If the fallen angels are involved, there’s no telling what technologies they possess, or what they are doing with that tech. If they have been allowed access to the foundational laws of Creation, even for a limited time, there is no way to predict what they’ll do. But I suspect that they will cause great confusion, while simultaneously trying to escape God’s wrath - and their doom.


This kind of thing is far beyond us - but it is not too much for the Almighty God. He knows what He’s doing, and has the strength and authority to do exactly as He pleases.


I believe we are nearing the end of this Age - and if I’m right, things are going to get progressively weirder, more confusing, and much, much more dangerous.


Fellow Christians, buckle up. We may have to fight; we may have to endure persecution; we may die, before the Lord returns. But, he is coming.


Keep your attention on the Lord, even in the face of the lethal persecution that is coming. (That moment has already come, for 21 Christian men on a beach in Libya... and for uncounted numbers of our brothers and sisters around the world.)


For everyone else: Come to Jesus, if you can.The

Quite a well thought out list there Howard. I do believe we are in the final countdown and the enemy is well aware his time is short and with information flying here and there in nano seconds the race is on to 'beat' out the Holy one, but it won't happen.

But the thing to remember is that we need to get close as we can to our God and Savior as that is the only hope, the more you get to know him the more you won't be deceived.

 

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[Jipsah]

Does anyone here recall seeing the word ‘pound’ used in the parable of the talents?

Talent in Matthew, pound (less than a talent) in Luke.

 

[Jipsah]

Pounds, not talents? So the pound sterling is part of the 1st century economy now?

A "pound" is a fraction of a talent (1/60th?), not £1.

 

[The Parson]

Talent in Matthew, pound (less than a talent) in Luke.

I've found that the changes, no matter what the change, may or may not be a word of equal, lesser, or greater power or value. That's the vexing part of this whole mess.

 

[Howard1955]

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[Lulav]

Because IMHO, as of right now, there isn't a true and faithful rendering in the English language in my eyes. And there has been changes in the NKJV as well as the other versions with the Alexandrian texts.

I believe something is happening if not in print then interpretation there of.. As I said way back nearer the beginning of the thread, I have a friend who is convinced of this as well, he's already fed me a bunch of these a year back or so.. What's going on in the old testament, anything there ?

It's a spiritual attack that won't even be realized or noticed for the most part because they believe it physically impossible.

Speaking of the changes in the Bible, the LORD knew this time would come and when he gave his word way back on the mountain outside of Egypt he gave strict instructions, instructions that Christians for millennia have been disregarding.

This is something that Jews know well though and it is a commandment, Jesus even spoke of it as the Greatest commandment but it has mostly been ignored.

Jesus added a caveat to many of his sayings and it is lost to most gentiles.

He who has ears to hear.......

That is the commandment given way back in Deuteronomy

Shema Israel! HEAR Israel (my people)

This commandment is about hearing, speaking, and Teaching but why? To insert it into the memory banks of your mind and heart so that you won't be deceived when that day comes..

1 Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
2 That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
3 Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.

That is Moses preamble but now comes the part that is called the 'Shema', and every Jew knows it and did back then when Jesus referred to it. He did not recite the whole thing because it was well known.

4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
8 And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.
9 And thou shalt write them upon the posts of thy house, and on thy gates.​

The part in blue is what Jesus quoted but the rest was known to follow.
The rest shows what we are talking about here, basically the prevention against it.

The commands of Gods commands are as follows:

1. HEAR!
2. The words shall be in your heart
3. TEACH them to your children diligently
4. TALK about them when you are

• In your house, outside your house
• When you go to bed
• When you wake up

5. SURROUND your dwelling with the words on the posts and gates

If this is done then no matter what happens it is basically embedded within you and can't anyone change it.

 

[Lulav]

Lulav said: ↑
Some say this is a result of what has been happening at CERN.

That's from the "CERN is magic" crowd.

Lulav said:If you've ever watch The Flash you will see that many others are aware of this but it's not Sci-Fi. They talk about Earth 1 and Earth 2 etc and that really is just another way of saying Dimension or Plane.​

The Flash is a comic book character.

I don't know what you mean by the 'magic crowd' but certainly they are doing things there that shouldn't be done

As far as the Flash, I was referring to the show, which comes from the comic book but what they are showing on the show comes from things happening today. It is the enemies way of pulling in followers and strutting his stuff to show what he's done, making it more mainstream, not just for those who read science journals.

 

[Lulav]

Again, this is a supernatural event, not a natural. I can say that I have never seen unicorn in the scriptures until the past few years. Much less satyr.

I'm not here to debate that, just testify to my own experience.

It's funny I remember as a teen, quite a long time ago, liking unicorns and my mother buying me one as a gift. It was not attached to fantasy but was explained to me that they were in the Bible.

Unicorn simply means having one horn. Now the interpretation of it is of a horse with a central horn in the middle of it's head. But there is nothing that explains it that way, that actually would be a crossing of species which is forbidden by the creator.
Instead I would refer to the Rhinoceros that has 'one horn', a 'uni horn'.

But just to say that I remember it being in the bible over 40 years ago, BUT I remember looking it up in a concordance and it only appeared ONE time, and I seem to recall it was in Psalms, can't remember which one, but I would say it was in Psalms.

According to scripture we've already shown where he can through anti-Christ, or the spirit of anti-Christ.
Daniel 7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time. (KJV)
Times meaning history, and laws meaning scripture. "And they shall be given into his hand" means what???

I've wondered for 30+ years just what that's meant. How does one
wear out the saints'?

To me, it looks as if some Power is reaching into the past, and making changes there. The changes then ripple forward through Time, affecting our present reality. (Although... How this could change the geography of the planet, I do not know. But it may be that the QE/ME is a completely separate issue from the geographic changes.)

This power doesn't have to reach back into the past as they have been here before man was created. What I do tend to lean to is the dimension theory, Paul spoke about this in the best way he knew how back then. He called it things like , third heaven, principalities. I think he learned about things that he would rather have not.

No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us.
38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor principalities, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers,
39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.…​

But - If this (manipulation of Time) is happening, then the random/trivial changes we are seeing could be the result of that Power simply getting a feel for the controls of the system they’re using. Like someone getting into the driver’s seat of a car, and fiddling around with the controls to see how everything works.

That's a good thought. Or could be testing the water, we're talking about a lot of people it affecting here, lots at one time with the technology we have today and ease of information.

In bygone days, the re-writing (or copying) and dissemination of a book took a long time. Then, the printing press was invented. Still, it took time to copy - or rewrite - a book.

But now, we can cut-and-paste changes into a written document or book with a few keystrokes. Another press of a button, and the altered writing is on the internet, available worldwide.

Advances of technology have allowed this kind of thing to be done. The early scribes, carefully copying one letter at a time, had no inkling that such technology was even possible.

Yes, as I stated before it was a commandment to really get the word within you, to teach it to your children 'diligently' as this is where the mind and heart are the most susceptible to internalizing things that will later on regulate your life.

It was also known back then as a proverb. 22:6

Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.​

And we need to quit treating this event as the "Mandela Effect". It's a biblically proclaimed supernatural event and is directly resulting from Daniel 7:25 and Amos 8:11-12 prophecies. Everything that's happening in the world today is because of these prophecies.

That is fine and well for believers but it was a name given so all could understand what was being talked about. Deja vu has been thrown around too much to use that term but it is similar. Using a world figure to coin a phrase is easier for all to know what is being referred to.

I don’t know if there are past experiences or traits that cause us to be aware of this Effect.

Have you come across anything in your personal life that has changed?

I have experienced two major ones.

1. Being told a loved one was deceased to later find out (many years later) that they were still alive)

2. Being told by a life long known relative about a huge sum of money being given and not remembering this ever happening. And it wasn't just me, my husband doesn't remember this either.

 

[Lulav]

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. (KJV)

• Was heavens plural, not heaven singular.

Yes it says heavens and it still does in the Hebrew

בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ.

ha-shamayim ==== The heavens

the 'im' ending indicates plurality while this is disputed though when speaking of 'Elohim' vs Eloah.

Psalms 78:65 Then the Lord awaked as one out of sleep, and like a mighty man that shouteth by reason of wine. (KJV)

• The psalmist is comparing God to a drunk man being woke up.

I'm not so sure that is a change, but rather an interpretation. The Psalmist I believe was trying to use known human traits to get his point across, not to say the Lord was drunk but to envision how one who was 'sleeping it off' awakens with a roar, ready to fight.

Isaiah 13:21 But wild beasts of the desert shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of doleful creatures; and owls shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there. (KJV)

• It was evil spirits, not satyrs.

The Hebrew reads:

But wild-cats shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of ferrets; and ostriches shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there.

The word that is translated 'satyrs' is actually 'hairy' but meaning goat or wild goat, specifically a male.

So I don't think it's so much a change but a translation interpretation.

How do you remember the dollar sign?

Serious question.

I think something like that depends on fonts used

Although growing up I remember writing it out with two lines.

 

[HopeInJesusOnly]

Yes it says heavens and it still does in the Hebrew

בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ.

ha-shamayim ==== The heavens

the 'im' ending indicates plurality while this is disputed though when speaking of 'Elohim' vs Eloah.

I'm not so sure that is a change, but rather an interpretation. The Psalmist I believe was trying to use known human traits to get his point across, not to say the Lord was drunk but to envision how one who was 'sleeping it off' awakens with a roar, ready to fight.

The Hebrew reads:

But wild-cats shall lie there; and their houses shall be full of ferrets; and ostriches shall dwell there, and satyrs shall dance there.

The word that is translated 'satyrs' is actually 'hairy' but meaning goat or wild goat, specifically a male.

So I don't think it's so much a change but a translation interpretation.

I think something like that depends on fonts used

Although growing up I remember writing it out with two lines.

I'm just catching up, are you noticing the effect, and if so, are you concerned?

Thanks in advance for your response.