The 'Macro-Micro' thing....again..

[AV1611VET]

Me: How long until you post that the Earth is 6,000 years old with only the appearance of a 4.5 billion year age?

AV1611VET: Never. Never have and never will.

http://www.christianforums.com/t7806587-4/#post65086288

I know what was asked, and I know what I said.

Is there a problem?

Slipping "only the appearance" will get a negative reaction from me.

I never said that, and I never will.

As I have said about ten times in the last eight years:

The earth appears 4.57 billion years old, because the earth is 4.57 billion years old.

And I have a feeling you know that.

Adam appeared 20 or 30, because Adam was 20 or 30.

 

[Loudmouth]

The earth appears 4.57 billion years old, because the earth is 4.57 billion years old.

Then that means the Earth came into existence 4.5 billion years ago. That's what 4.5 billion years old means.

 

[AV1611VET]

Then that means the Earth came into existence 4.5 billion years ago. That's what 4.5 billion years old means.

LOL ... trying to excite the newbies, are you?

 

[Loudmouth]

LOL ... trying to excite the newbies, are you?

Trying to hide behind semantics, are you?

 

[biggles53]

So...11 pages in and, despite the best efforts of AV to derail yet another thread which makes him squirm, NO-ONE has been able to suggest a BIOLOGICAL 'barrier' which would act to prevent the processes of evolution continuing beyond an arbitrary point...

Thank you....

 

[Smidlee]

So...11 pages in and, despite the best efforts of AV to derail yet another thread which makes him squirm, NO-ONE has been able to suggest a BIOLOGICAL 'barrier' which would act to prevent the processes of evolution continuing beyond an arbitrary point...

Thank you....

I pointed out a barrier in post #15 but I'm sure you will dismiss it. Even the scientist that discover this barrier just wave it off and claimed it had to be different 500 million years ago.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I think what you are looking for are "developmental gene regulatory networks " (dGRN).

Here's a quote from biologist Eric Davidson "There is always an observable consequence if a dGRN sub-circuit is interrupted. Since these consequences are always catastrophically bad, flexibility is minimal, and since the sub-circuits are all interconnected, the whole network partakes of the quality that there is only one way for things to work. And indeed the embryos of each species develop in only one way." (Eric H. Davidson, "Evolutionary Bio-science as Regulatory Systems Biology," Developmental Biology, 357 (September 1, 2011): 40.)

Evolutionist Marshall believes dGRN had to be a lot more flexible in the past since this has to be so in order for evolution to be true.

Why? I see no reason for this claim at all. Perhaps you should have quoted properly. Where was your link? Quotes without links are extremely hard to take seriously. You have only yourself to blame for this being largely ignored.

 

[biggles53]

I pointed out a barrier in post #15 but I'm sure you will dismiss it. Even the scientist that discover this barrier just wave it off and claimed it had to be different 500 million years ago.

Excuse me, but in your own words, how is that a barrier to further variation within the genome...?

 

[EternalDragon]

Then that means the Earth came into existence 4.5 billion years ago. That's what 4.5 billion years old means.

It came into existence before it was created into existence?

 

[Loudmouth]

It came into existence before it was created into existence?

The Earth came into existence 4.5 billion years ago, not 6,000 years ago.

 

[Loudmouth]

I pointed out a barrier in post #15 but I'm sure you will dismiss it. Even the scientist that discover this barrier just wave it off and claimed it had to be different 500 million years ago.

Can you please show us the peer reviewed scientific studies which demonstrate this barrier?

 

[AirPo]

It came into existence before it was created into existence?

Yes. It wasn't "created" into existence until some human came along and made up the story the it was "created" into existence.

 

[AirPo]

I pointed out a barrier in post #15 but I'm sure you will dismiss it. Even the scientist that discover this barrier just wave it off and claimed it had to be different 500 million years ago.

At best what you pointed out are guardrails, not a barrier.

 

[Smidlee]

At best what you pointed out are guardrails, not a barrier.

Guardrails? Guardrails that so far our best scientist can't break through. More like scientist using a BB gun to penetrate a M1 Abrams tank.

paper:
http://ac.els-cdn.com/S001216061100...t=1393453530_4362ffc32cfd10e3f4f28a8582b1501a

 

[Loudmouth]

Guardrails? Guardrails that so far our best scientist can't break through.

You haven't even shown us a scientific paper that supports what you are claiming. Perhaps you should start there.

Added by edit:

I did find this paper which outlines research on the evolution of genetic networks in Drosophila. Seems to show the opposite of what you are claiming.

http://genome.cshlp.org/content/early/2014/02/24/gr.163014.113.long

In that paper, they actually outline the mutations in gene networks and how they have caused populations to diverge over time, otherwise known as macroevolution.

 

[AV1611VET]

Deep time aside, God is a God of boundaries ...

Psalm 104:9 Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth.

... and He has set boundaries that nature cannot cross.

Including evolution.

Whether that boundary is a spiritual one, or whether it is somehow encoded in DNA to terminate a species before it becomes a new genus, or whether God predetermined extinction, or whatever; the point is: macroevolution is off limits by design.

 

[Loudmouth]

Deep time aside, God is a God of boundaries ...

Psalm 104:9 Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth.

... and He has set boundaries that nature cannot cross.

Including evolution.

Once again, AV has no problem adding to the Bible.

 

[AV1611VET]

Once again, AV has no problem adding to the Bible.

Really?

The Bible has the universe being created in 4004 BC, whereas you guys have it at 13,700,000,000 BC.

Who's adding more?

 

[HitchSlap]

Really?

The Bible has the universe being created in 4004 BC, whereas you guys have it at 13,700,000,000 BC.

Who's adding more?

Even your chief mucky-muck denies this. Additionally, if you can't site book and chapter with "4004 BC," then you're adding to the bible to serve your twisted world view.

Pat Robertson Attacks Ken Ham and Creationism after Bill Nye Science Guy Debate - YouTube

 

[Loudmouth]

Really?

The Bible has the universe being created in 4004 BC, whereas you guys have it at 13,700,000,000 BC.

Who's adding more?

You are trying to add evolution to this verse:

Psalm 104:9 Thou hast set a bound that they may not pass over; that they turn not again to cover the earth.