You can tell a lot about a person by the books they read

[Godsunworthyservant]

"Widely reported" is in the category of ":everyone says." That has the implication of multiple sources. In this case what's "widely reported" is a claim by Ivana Trump. The one question (and the one I really thought you'd address) is whether Ivana Trump's statement is accurate. Having never known Ivana Trump, I can't say one way or the other. Note that Josephus' accuracy concerning the First Jewish Revolt has been questioned, so this is something that's common in history. The elephant in the room is whether the statement by an ex wife about a former spouse is always accurate. To this we can answer a definite "Maybe."

I'm sorry if you find this offensive, but this is part and parcel of history, whether it's Trump or Titus.

As to Unhuman, from experience I can say what is reported about a book may or may not be accurate. That's why I ended up reading Godsey's When We Talk About God, Let's Be Honest. The same for Caldwell's Tobacco Road. Read only opinions about a book, and you come away knowing the opinions but not the contents.

From your statement above, it appears you haven't read Unhuman either. Should you chose to do so, I recommend finding it in a library rather than buying a copy, if at all possible. That way, if you find it to be objectionable, you haven't spent money lining the author's pocket.

As for the question about whether Ivana Trump's Statement is accurate, as I stated in the original post, she of all people should know and given Donald's propensity to quote Hitler phrases only adds credence her account. Trump himself, when asked, didn't deny it but instead tried to brush it off by saying the book was given to him by a friend. As for "Unhumans" when dozens of independent authors report exactly the same quotes from it and even those who are touting the book don't deny the contents but instead bolster them, that's enough for me. I have no intention of reading it. I simply reported that Vance had championed it. "There are none so blind as those who will not see".

 

[Laodicean60]

I didn't say Trump (or anyone else) was Hitler!

Maybe imply?

I simply pointed out that he seems to use Hitler quotes in his rhetoric.

I missed the quotes, I'll go back and reread your post.

Don't try to read between the lines. It's never a good path to understanding.

I can't tell a lot about a person by reading one book. just saying

 

[com7fy8]

Adolph was anti-Semitic, but Donald has been helping Israel. And Donald has been acting to penalize educational institutions which have helped or allowed anti-Semitic activity . . . in liberal places, I am told, places supporting Democrats, not Donald.

Adolph considered African people to be inferior to the race which Adolph wanted. But Donald had a black man praying at a meeting with Donald.

So, knowing the books Donald has read might not tell you anything about him.

If I were to read a book by Adolph, I could be looking to see things about him that were true about me so I could trust God to correct me of those evil ways and tendencies. Because I am human, too. And many Jewish mothers and fathers were able to demand the crucifixion of their Messiah. I am human, I could have done that, too.

So - - if I read a book by Adolph, would this tell you that I am checking to see any evil things that could be true of me so I can get rid of them?

 

[Godsunworthyservant]

Maybe imply?

Didn't imply anything. Simply stated the facts.

I can't tell a lot about a person by reading one book. just saying

You can tell a lot when their actions and/or speech reflects the writings in those books.

 

[Godsunworthyservant]

Adolph was anti-Semitic, but Donald has been helping Israel. And Donald has been acting to penalize educational institutions which have helped or allowed anti-Semitic activity . . . in liberal places, I am told, places supporting Democrats, not Donald.

Yes, now he is touting a pro-Israel stand, but we must remember that in his first term he said of Neo-Nazi marchers in Charlottesville who were shouting "blood and soil" and "Jews will not replace us" that, there were good people on both sides, refusing to call out the antisemitic hatred. It kinda seems that Mr. Trump says whatever he thinks will win him the support of the most people.

Adolph considered African people to be inferior to the race which Adolph wanted. But Donald had a black man praying at a meeting with Donald.

Hitler indeed touted the superior Aryan race. Again, you must question the motives of a politician as they have a vested interest in seeming to be fair and impartial. We don't know why he had a black man praying but if I were a political consultant, I would certainly urge him to do something of the kind to bolster his image especially since he has a history of discrimination against blacks in his NY housing apartment buildings. If you'll remember in the 1970s Trump was sued by the Justice Department for discrimination in housing. the suit was based on a undercover operation where a black prospective renter would apply for an apartment that was listed for rent and be told it was already rented. Then a white undercover would go the next day and apply and be offered the same apartment. At the time the Justice Department called the case "one of the most significant race bias cases" we have encountered. After being confronted by both the white and black applicant in one instance the building super said "'Well, I'm only doing what my boss told me to do, I am not allowed to rent to black tenants". He later repeated the statement when questioned by authorities. Trump fought the case for 2 years before finally settling out of court for an undisclosed amount and was required to place ads in local NY newspapers stating that "they welcomed black applicants and to take classes to familiarize themselves with the Fair Housing Act. As with most out of court settlements the Trump Management Company did not have to admit guilt to receive the settlement. Although Trump did not admit guilt (as is his MO) the official DOJ record of the case stated that Trump had "“failed and neglected to comply with the Fair Housing Act". In 2017, the FBI released nearly 400 pages of records on the investigation. While they were heavily redacted, included in those records is the testimony of a former Trump building doorman who said, "A supervisor told me that if a black person came to 2650 Ocean Parkway and inquired about an apartment for rent, and he, that is [redacted] was not there at the time, that I should tell him that the rent was twice as much as it really was, in order that he could not afford the apartment,". And let's don't forget that Trump was a leading proponent of the oft debunked Obama birther conspiracy. To add fuel to the fire as late as 2024, trump still maintained that the Central Park Five, a group of five mostly black teenagers, were responsible for the 1989 white woman in the Central Park jogger case, despite the fact that they were exonerated by DNA in 2002. We must look at the totality of all the evidence and not the single act of a black man praying at a meeting.

So, knowing the books Donald has read might not tell you anything about him.

Agreed. It might not, but if you take them in context with the fact that he used Hitler's rhetoric in many of his speeches, it certainly tells us something about him. I sincerely doubt that Trump independently came up with the same slogans as Hitler used, especially given the fact that Ivana said he read Hitler speeches.

 

[Laodicean60]

That's taking the argument to the absurd.

What's absurd is carrying on the Hitler delusion that the left has been pushing for so many years, to the point of accusing him of Russian collusion.

I can only share what's been reported about what they have read and what books they endorse.

Please source his endorsement.

I didn't say Trump (or anyone else) was Hitler! I simply pointed out that he seems to use Hitler quotes in his rhetoric.

You don't have to, but reading your posts sure makes it sound like he is the second Hitler

I simply pointed out that he seems to use Hitler quotes in his rhetoric.

Your quotes are not in what he read, My New Order, which is the foundation of your hit piece. If you live in delusion about Trump, of course, everything "seems" to use Hitler quotes.

Let's keep this in perspective and not get into the weeds with things I didn't say.

Ok, here is something you did say:

They also coined the term "drain the swamp" and it was used in many of Hitler's speeches.

I need to see a quote for this. I can see Ronald Reagan said this, but not Hitler.

 

[Godsunworthyservant]

What's absurd is carrying on the Hitler delusion that the left has been pushing for so many years, to the point of accusing him of Russian collusion.

I never accused anyone of Russian collusion. I simply stated that Ivana said he read the book of Hitler speeches and pointed out the references to those speeches in his rhetoric. That's all. Don't make any more of it than what it is.

Please source his endorsement.

If you read my post, the endorsement by Vance of the book, "Unhumans" is well documented. It was a public endorsement.

You don't have to, but reading your posts sure makes it sound like he is the second Hitler

I didn't say that but if you want to read between the lines and stretch what I said, that's on you.

Your quotes are not in what he read, My New Order, which is the foundation of your hit piece. If you live in delusion about Trump, of course, everything "seems" to use Hitler quotes.

My quotes were directly from Hitler speeches in "My New Order" and his subsequent rhetoric. It's all in the historical record. Which quotes do you say are not from "My New Order" or directly attributed to Hitler? Please be more specific if you wish to deny their authenticity.

I need to see a quote for this. I can see Ronald Reagan said this, but not Hitler.

All you need to do is look. “Then we intend to raise each individual’s standard of living. We want to drain our swamps, and if possible put our Volk in a position to provide for its own needs, enable the peasant to reap the maximum from his soil, put the manufacturer and industrial worker in a position to work as productively as possible, supply our country as far as possible with man-made substitutes for the raw materials it lacks." Adolph Hitler April 4, 1934. You might want to check the book 'Male Fantasies' by Klaus Theleweit. It discusses Nazi imagery in detail with special emphasis on this very phrase. Quite revealing read.

 

[Laodicean60]

I never accused anyone of Russian collusion.

Did I say you did? I said that's what the left winger did.

I simply stated that Ivana said he read the book of Hitler speeches and pointed out the references to those speeches in his rhetoric.

Why do you feel the need to state that he's read Hitler's speeches and point out his rhetoric? What are you implying with this thread?$

My quotes were directly from Hitler speeches in "My New Order" and his subsequent rhetoric. It's all in the historical record. Which quotes do you say are not from "My New Order" or directly attributed to Hitler? Please be more specific if you wish to deny their authenticity.

Please list the quotes from an online sources! Your reference in your rant comes from Mein Kampf not My New Order.

I didn't say that but if you want to read between the lines and stretch what I said, that's on you.

Of course, you wouldn't want that would expose you, but my impression you are being deceptive.

All you need to do is look. “Then we intend to raise each individual’s standard of living. We want to drain our swamps, and if possible put our Volk in a position to provide for its own needs, enable the peasant to reap the maximum from his soil, put the manufacturer and industrial worker in a position to work as productively as possible, supply our country as far as possible with man-made substitutes for the raw materials it lacks." Adolph Hitler April 4, 1934. You might want to check the book 'Male Fantasies' by Klaus Theleweit. It discusses Nazi imagery in detail with special emphasis on this very phrase. Quite revealing read.

Provide me a source that said Hitler "drain the swamp" in MY New Order. Please refrain from the word salad.
.

Both Hitler and Mussolini said in many speeches that Nazi's were going to "make Germany and Italy great again".

Source please.

 

[Godsunworthyservant]

Why do you feel the need to state that he's read Hitler's speeches and point out his rhetoric? What are you implying with this thread?$

No implication. Just stating the facts as I see them.

Of course, you wouldn't want that would expose you, but my impression you are being deceptive.

What would you like to expose. Expose until your hearts content. I have nothing to hide. And your impressions are just that, yours.

Provide me a source that said Hitler "drain the swamp" in MY New Order. Please refrain from the word salad.

I never said that "drain the swamp came from "My New Order". I said it was a quote used by Hitler. The word salad to which you refer is a Hitler speech from 1934. See the quotation marks and the reference to the date? "There is none so blind as they who will not see".

Your reference in your rant comes from Mein Kampf not My New Order.

So, you've read both? I made many more than one reference and made clear that that they were from different speeches and never said they were all included in "My New Order". I'm not sure why the big deal about when he said them or whether they were in "My New Order" or not. Personally I don't believe that an American running for president should be quoting either "Mein Kampf:, "My New Order" or any other Hitler rhetoric as a campaign slogan. Do you?

 

[Laodicean60]

I never said that "drain the swamp came from "My New Order". I said it was a quote used by Hitler.

and I said where is the source, I did look it up and Reagan, the other NAZI said it.

So, you've read both? I made many more than one reference and made clear that that they were from different speeches and never said they were all included in "My New Order". I'm not sure why the big deal about when he said them or whether they were in "My New Order" or not. Personally I don't believe that an American running for president should be quoting either "Mein Kampf:, "My New Order" or any other Hitler rhetoric as a campaign slogan. Do you?

But you never provide a source, the only source you provide is that Trump read My New Order with a lot of inuendos painting him as a Nazi.

 

[Godsunworthyservant]

and I said where is the source, I did look it up and Reagan, the other NAZI said it.

I quoted one speech where he said it in the previous reply and you called it a word salad. It may be a word salad but it is a direct Hitler quote. If you aren't going to read my posts or replies and simply want to ignore them and ask the same questions ad nauseam then there's no use continuing this conversation. I'll not engage in talking in circles with you. I never called anyone but Hitler a Nazi, it's you who are name calling when you call Reagan a Nazi. Name calling is so third grade but is another thing that has become a part of the political landscape since Trump entered the picture. It's no more mature for you than for him.

 

[Laodicean60]

I quoted one speech

Source please. It should be on the internet until then its what you think.

 

[Godsunworthyservant]

Source please. It should be on the internet until then its what you think.

As I said in my last reply, I'm done going in circles with you. I have provided links to enough sites (I believe there were between 20 and 30) where you can find all the source material and even offered a recommendation for a very insightful book on the subject. Read them, then report back with some info that let's me know that you have read them and then maybe we'll talk. Until then, no more games of gimme.

 

[com7fy8]

Thank you for your time to answer.

refusing to call out the antisemitic hatred.

Yes, I do remember something like this.

We don't know why he had a black man praying but if I were a political consultant, I would certainly urge him to do something of the kind to bolster his image especially since he has a history of discrimination against blacks in his NY housing apartment buildings. If you'll remember

Oh yes, there can be politics, included. And I suppose Adolph might have been doing some things for politics and not exclusively out of hatred. One classic tactic of cult leaders is to make up some enemy who is used to keep attention away from evaluating the cult leader or blaming the leader.

Trump was a leading proponent of the oft debunked Obama birther conspiracy.

Oh yes . . . I saw and heard footage of Donald insisting that Barack had no born-in-America birth certificate. Of course, the racial aspect might not have been the deciding factor, but Barack's background was available.

And his sort of pro-life stuff and un-woke stuff could be more or less political. Possibly, Donald wants to maintain the American culture more or less the way it has been . . . for his children.

 

[Laodicean60]

As I said in my last reply, I'm done going in circles with you.

Of course, you are done because you can't provide a source for "drain the swamp". Ronald Reagan said that.

Both Hitler and Mussolini said in many speeches that Nazi's were going to "make Germany and Italy great again". They also coined the term "drain the swamp"