THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY!

[StephenDiscipleofYHWH]

Perhaps you didn't follow what I said. I meant the good works which God prepared in advance for us to do. Individualized instructions that we receive in the moment.

Ephesians 2:10
For we are God’s handiwork, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

I love you brother, I'm sorry you cannot see.

May God bless and Guide you.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

We are still waiting for you to prove that the Lord's Day is the Sabbath and not Sunday. You have failed to do that.

Not really Steve, read the OP that proves the LORD'S DAY is the SABBATH day *MATTHEW 12:8
There is no scripture to say that the LORD"S DAY is Sunday or the first day of the week and you have not proven that it is. This is a Catholic teaching which has no foundation in God's WORD.

 

[Saint Steven]

Not really Steve, read the OP that proves the LORD'S DAY is the SABBATH day *MATTHEW 12:8
There is no scripture to say that the LORD"S DAY is Sunday or the first day of the week and you have not proven that it is. This is a Catholic teaching which has no foundation in God's WORD.

The OP doesn't prove that the Sabbath is the Lord's Day. Only conjecture and misuse of the Bible on your part. You limited sources in your OP for obvious reason. The writing of the early church answers the question about what day is the Lord's Day. It is indeed the first day of the week, Sunday.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The OP doesn't prove that the Sabbath is the Lord's Day. Only conjecture and misuse of the Bible on your part. You limited sources in your OP for obvious reason. The writing of the early church answers the question about what day is the Lord's Day. It is indeed the first day of the week, Sunday.

Of course the OP proves that the LORD'S DAY is the SABBATH DAY and does with God's WORD alone *MATTHEW 12:8. You just cant find any scripture for Sunday or the first day of the week being the LORD'S DAY can you? If you disagree please address the OP. If you cannot why do you not believe God's WORD?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I guess you refuse to provide any scripture whereby Jesus or His Apostles gave instructions to the Church about how to observe the Sabbath.That just proves you are following a man made doctrine that is not from God.So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:16-17Paul says that the Church is not obligated to the food laws or feast days or Sabbath requirements that were from the law of Moses.There are no commandments from Jesus about gathering on Saturday to have Church services. If there were you would have posted them.
JLB

Now brother JBL,

Your only repeating yourself now when there has already been plenty of scriptures provided to you that disagrees with your teachings. Neither do you respond to any of the posts, questions and scriptures provided to you that disagree with you.

As you do not wish to discuss the scriptures with me then we will have to agree to disagree and remain friends. I will pray for you because your taking a big gamble on yourself having a knowledge of the truth in regards to God's 4th Commandment and rejecting it in order to follow the teachings and traditions of men. Jesus says that those who do this are not following God in MATTHEW 15:3-9.

I have asked you many times already, in order that we can have an intelligent discussion if you agree to answer my questions and respond to my posts with all the scriptures in them YES/NO?

You have ignored every offer. So we will need to agree to disagree. If you wish to discuss the scriptures let me know?

May God help you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[Saint Steven]

Yet here you still are not able to prove any of your claims against the scriptures provided to you? Sorry Steve God's WORD disagrees with you. We will have to agree to disagree. I will pray for you.

Your mind is made up. You will not accept the facts. Both of your claims are false. For which I have given adequate proof.

1) The Lord's Day is not the Sabbath, proven biblically.
The exact term appears only once in the Bible and is there undefined.
Therefore it can neither be the Sabbath nor Sunday biblically. Neither.

2) The Lord's Day is Sunday, proven historically.
The exact term appears numerous times in the writings of the early church and is there defined very clearly. The Lord's Day is the first day of the week, the day on which Christ was raised from the dead, the resurrection day, the eighth day, the queen of days, Sunday.

But you will not accept the facts.

 

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[JLB777]

Now brother JBL,

Your only repeating yourself now when there has already been plenty of scriptures provided to you that disagrees with your teachings. Neither do you respond to any of the posts, questions and scriptures provided to you that disagree with you.

As you do not wish to discuss the scriptures with me then we will have to agree to disagree and remain friends. I will pray for you because your taking a big gamble on yourself having a knowledge of the truth in regards to God's 4th Commandment and rejecting it in order to follow the teachings and traditions of men. Jesus says that those who do this are not following God in MATTHEW 15:3-9.

I have asked you many times already, in order that we can have an intelligent discussion if you agree to answer my questions and respond to my posts with all the scriptures in them YES/NO?

You have ignored every offer. So we will need to agree to disagree. If you wish to discuss the scriptures let me know?

May God help you as you seek him through his Word.

Please show the New Testament scriptures where Jesus or His Apostles instructed us as to how we observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant.


JLB

 

[Saint Steven]

Now brother JBL,

Your only repeating yourself now when there has already been plenty of scriptures provided to you that disagrees with your teachings. Neither do you respond to any of the posts, questions and scriptures provided to you that disagree with you.

As you do not wish to discuss the scriptures with me then we will have to agree to disagree and remain friends. I will pray for you because your taking a big gamble on yourself having a knowledge of the truth in regards to God's 4th Commandment and rejecting it in order to follow the teachings and traditions of men. Jesus says that those who do this are not following God in MATTHEW 15:3-9.

I have asked you many times already, in order that we can have an intelligent discussion if you agree to answer my questions and respond to my posts with all the scriptures in them YES/NO?

You have ignored every offer. So we will need to agree to disagree. If you wish to discuss the scriptures let me know?

May God help you as you seek him through his Word.

More bullying. Why don't you answer his question instead of trying to control the "discussion".

Oh, I know why. Because Jesus and the Apostles gave us no instructions as to how to observe the Sabbath. Neither did they command it.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

More bullying. Why don't you answer his question instead of trying to control the "discussion".

Oh, I know why. Because Jesus and the Apostles gave us no instructions as to how to observe the Sabbath. Neither did they command it.

Enough with your false allegations and misreprestentations Steve. I am not interested in arguing and talking with people that are not interested in a discussion and sharing of the scriptures or the op that I have already provided. We will agree to disagree. Your salvation is between you and God. It is God's WORD will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48. There is nothing hidded that shall not be revealed.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Please show the New Testament scriptures where Jesus or His Apostles instructed us as to how we observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant. JLB

Sorry friend I have posted scripture that directly answers your question on more then one occassion. You have chosen to reject these scriptures. this is your decision I do not judge you. It is between you and God as these are God's WORD's not mine.

I am not interested in further discussion with you untill you agree to respond to my posts. You simply choose to ignore these posts and all the scriptures in them that disagree and refuse to adress them. So if we are not able to have a discussion. We will have to agree to dissagree.

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The OLD Testament scriptures are the foundation of the NEW Testament. The NEW Testament is built on the Old Testament and together they are the Word of God which gives instruction to follow God. Everything in the NEW Testament builds on instruction already provided in the OLD Testament and is why it is written..

2 TIMOTHY 3:16 [16], ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, AND IS PROFITABLE FOR DOCTRINE, FOR REPROOF, FOR CORRECTION, FOR INSTRUCTION IN RIGHTOEUSNESS.

and again...

MATTHEW 4:4 [4], Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God.

As shown in the previous posts God Commands us in the 4th Commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) to REMEMBER the SEVENTH DAY of the week because he has set the SEVENTH DAY aside as a HOLY DAY where NO WORK is to be DONE on this day. The SEVENTH DAY of the week is to be set aside to REMEMBER and worship the GOD of CREATION. NO Bussiness, NO Shopping, NO buying or selling, NO uneccessary domestic work.

Building on the OLD TESTAMENT in the NEW TESTAMENT what did Jesus teach us further about the Sabbath?

1. Jesus taught that it is lawful to do GOOD on the Sabbath? (Matthew 12:1-12; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)

2. Jesus taught that God's Sabbath was made for mankind and not man for the Sabbath rebuking the tradtions of the Jew in regards to their traditions and interpretation around Sabbath keeping? (Mark 2:27-28; Matthew 12:8)

3. Jesus taught that he was the maker and creator of the Sabbath and the God of creation? (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27)

4. Jesus is our example who kept the Sabbath as well as all those who followed him (Matthew 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matthew 16:24; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

5. Jesus taught that break God's Commandments and teach others to do so will not enter God's Kingdom? (Matthew 5:19)

6. Jesus taught that not a jot or tittle will pass from God's LAW until heaven and earth pass away? (Matthew 5:18)

7. Jesus taught that on the two great commandments of LOVE to GOD and MAN hang ALL the LAW and the prophets (Matthew 22:36-40)

8. Paul warns us that those who do NOT believe and follow GOD do not enter into God's Sabbath rest because of their SINS and UNBELIEF and that there is a KEEPING of the SABBATH to the people of God (Hebrews 3 HEBREWS 4) *HEBREWS 4:9 So then, it remains for the people of God to keep the Sabbath.

9. Paul kept the Sabbath with both Jews and Gentiles (Acts 13:14-15; 42-44; Acts 16:13; Acts 17-1-2; Acts 18:4-5)

10. Jesus, Paul, James, John and Peter all ketp the Sabbath and taught there is 10 Commandments which includes the Sabbath and if you break anyone of God's Commandments you stand guilty before God of breaking all of them (James 2:8-12; Romans 7:7; 3:20; 1 John 3:4).

Why would Jesus and the Apostles give us further instruction in relation to Sabbath keeping building on the OLD TESTAMENET scriptures if we no longer need to keep it? (Point 1, 2, 3, 6)

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Now my friend your questions linked in this post have been answered with scripture. If you disagree it is ok but if you wish the conversation to continue please respond to this post with the scriptures in them that disagree with your teaching. If you cannot it only shows you are in error.

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What it all comes down to is that SIN is the breaking of any of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4). Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[Saint Steven]

Enough with your false allegations and misreprestentations Steve. I am not interested in arguing and talking with people that are not interested in a discussion and sharing of the scriptures or the op that I have already provided. We will agree to disagree. Your salvation is between you and God. It is God's WORD will be our judge come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48. There is nothing hidded that shall not be revealed.

John 5:45
“But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Your mind is made up. You will not accept the facts. Both of your claims are false. For which I have given adequate proof.

1) The Lord's Day is not the Sabbath, proven biblically.
The exact term appears only once in the Bible and is there undefined.
Therefore it can neither be the Sabbath nor Sunday biblically. Neither.

2) The Lord's Day is Sunday, proven historically.
The exact term appears numerous times in the writings of the early church and is there defined very clearly. The Lord's Day is the first day of the week, the day on which Christ was raised from the dead, the resurrection day, the eighth day, the queen of days, Sunday.

But you will not accept the facts.

Steve, You have been provided scriptures showing that the LORD'S DAY is the SABBATH DAY. Jesus says that he is LORD of the SABBATH DAY *MATTHEW 12:8. So of course it is proved biblically.

You have provided no scripture to show that the LORD'S DAY is Sunday or the first day of the week. You provide writings from the Roman Catholic Church as your support over the Word of God.

For me only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. Jesus says that who follow the teachings and traditions of men that brake the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Peter also says we ought to obey God rather than man *ACTS 5:29

You are free to believe as you wish. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed. We will all be judged by the Word of God come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48. Until then we will have to agree to disagree. Only God's WORD it true and we should believe and follow it.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

John 5:45
“But do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on whom your hopes are set.

JOHN 12:47-48
[47], And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
[48], He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[Saint Steven]

Steve, You have been provided scriptures showing that the LORD'S DAY is the SABBATH DAY. Jesus says that he is LORD of the SABBATH DAY *MATTHEW 12:8.

You have provided no scripture to show that the LORD'S DAY is Sunday or the first day of the week. You provide writings from the Roman Catholic Church as your support over the Word of God.

For me only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. Jesus says that who follow the teachings and traditions of men that brake the commandments of God are not following God *MATTHEW 15:3-9. Peter also says we ought to obey God rather than man *ACTS 5:29

You are free to believe as you wish. There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed. We will all be judged by the Word of God come judgment day *JOHN 12:47-48. Until then we will have to agree to disagree. Only God's WORD it true and we should believe and follow it.

Can you explain why the exact term "the Lord's Day" was defined as Sunday in 50 AD and then changed to the Sabbath in 95 AD and then back to Sunday in 100 AD? That is what you seem to be claiming.

 

[Saint Steven]

JOHN 12:47-48
[47], And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
[48], He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Acts 13:10
“You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Can you explain why the exact term "the Lord's Day" was defined as Sunday in 50 AD and then changed to the Sabbath in 95 AD and then back to Sunday in 100 AD? That is what you seem to be claiming.

Your question does not make any sense. Can you show me one scriprure to show that Sunday is the LORD'S DAY? Yet you have been shown through God's WORD that the LORD'S DAY is the SABBATH DAY.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Acts 13:10
“You are a child of the devil and an enemy of everything that is right! You are full of all kinds of deceit and trickery. Will you never stop perverting the right ways of the Lord?

MATTHEW 10:25, It is enough for the disciple that he be as his teacher, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?

 

[Saint Steven]

Your question does not make any sense. Can you show me one scriprure to show that Sunday is the LORD'S DAY? Yet you have been shown through God's WORD that the LORD'S DAY is the SABBATH DAY.

No. I have not been shown that "the Lord's Day" is the Sabbath. The exact term appears only once in the Bible (Rev.1:10) and is not there defined. The term is however well defined in the writings of the early church. The Lord's Day is Sunday.

 

[Saint Steven]

MATTHEW 10:25, It is enough for the disciple that he be as his teacher, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household?

Acts 15:10
Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear?