THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY!

[LoveGodsWord]

10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT

OUR MORAL DUTY TOWARDS GOD; TABLE 1;

MATTHEW 22:36-38
[36], Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said to him, YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.

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DEUTERONOMY 6:5 [5], And YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIGHT.

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1. NO ONE/NOTHING BEFORE GOD

1st Commandment OT: "I am the LORD thy God, Which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt have no other gods before Me." (Ex 20:2,3)

1st Commandment NT: " . . . Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve. " (Matt 4:10/Luke 4:8)

"No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other.Ye cannot serve God and mammon." (Mt 6:24)

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2. DO NOT COMMIT IDOLATRY

2nd Commandment OT: "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous GOD, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fouth generation of them that hate Me; And shewing mercy unto thousands who love Me, and keep my commandments." (Ex 20:4-6)

2nd Commandment NT: "But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols"(Acts15:20)

"Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device. And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:" (Acts 17:29,30)

" I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat." (1Cor 5:11)

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." (1Cor 6:9,10)

"Neither be ye idolaters." (1Cor 10:7)

"Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry." (1Cor 10:14)

"Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led." (1Cor 12:2)

"And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols?" (2Cor 6:16)

"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Gal 5:19-21)

"For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God." (Eph 5:5) [This verse and the next both show the connection between covetousness and idolatry - when you covet something, it becomes your idol, and therefore your god (breaking the 1st commandment also)]

"Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry." (Col 3:5)

" how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God." (1Thes 1:9)

"Little children, keep yourselves from idols." (1Jn 5:21)

"And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk." (Rev 9:20)

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Rev 21:8)

"For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie." (Rev 22:15)

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3. DO NOT USE GOD'S NAME IN VAIN

3rd Commandment OT: "Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh His name in vain." (Ex 20:7)

3rd Commandment NT: "Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name." (Mt 6:9/Lk 11:2)

"I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment." (Mt 12:36)

"This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." (Mt 15:8,9)

"And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven." (Mt 23:9)

" that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed." (1Tim 6:1)

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4. REMEMBER THE SEVENTH DAY SABBATH TO KEEP IT HOLY

4th Commandment OT: "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day; wherefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day, and hallowed it." (Ex 20:8-11)

4th Commandment NT: "For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day." (Mt12:8/Lk 6:5) [So the Sabbath is the TRUE Lord's Day]

" it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days." (Mt12:12)

"But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day."(Mt 24:20 speaking of the time of tribulation just before His second coming)

" they went into Capernaum; and straightway on the sabbath day he (Jesus) entered into the synagogue, and taught." (Mk1:21)

"And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath: Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the sabbath." (Mk 2:27,28) [Notice: The Sabbath is NOT just for Jews, or Israelites, or Hebrews, or Semites (descendants of Shem), but FOR ALL MANKIND]

"And when the sabbath day was come, he began to teach . . . " (Mk 6:2)

"And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day . . . " (Lk 4:16)

" . . . (Jesus) taught them on the sabbath days." (Lk 4:31)

AFTER JESUS' DEATH, HIS DISCIPLES OBSERVED THE SABBATH:

"And the women also, which came with him from Galilee, followed after, and beheld the sepulchre, and how his body was laid. And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment." (Lk 23:55,56) [ This occured after Jesus' death obviously, which is when the false teachers claim the law was done away. They say the law was "nailed to the cross", but His disciples obviously didn't believe that, as we see here, they "rested the Sabbath day according to the commandment"]

" . . . when they (the apostles) departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day." (Acts13:14)

"And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath." (Acts13:42) [Notice: the Gentiles (non-jews) wanted to hear the word of God on the next Sabbath. Paul DID NOT tell them, "Come back tomorrow, the first day of the week, because that's the day us Christians keep." He had them return the following SABBATH]

"And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God." (Acts13:44)

"For Moses of old time hath in every city them that preach him, being read in the synagogues every sabbath day." (Acts15:21)

"And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made." (Acts16:13)

"And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures." (Acts17:2)

"And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks." (Acts18:4)

"For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works." (Heb 4:4) [See Eph 5:1 where it states that we are to be imitators of God.]

"There remaineth therefore a SABBATH Rest [See margin: Greek word is "Sabbatismos" which means "Sabbath-keeping"] to the people of God." (Heb 4:9)

"For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain. And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD." (Isaiah 66:22,23) [I realize this is an OT scripture, BUT as you can clearly see here, this is dealing with the NEW heavens and earth (after Christ's return) and it states that ALL shall keep the Sabbath then.

It seems quite preposterous, that God would give the seventh day Sabbath to mankind at creation (Gen 2:1-3), re-introduce it to Israel BEFORE Sinai - after they lost sight of it in captivity (Ex 16:4,23,27-29), codify it at Sinai (Ex:20) having all His people observe it, including Christ, then change it to Sunday, just to change it back to Friday sunset - Saturday sunset. THE SABBATH HAS NEVER CHANGED AND IS STILL TO BE OBSERVED!]

to be continued...

 

[LoveGodsWord]

10 COMMANDMENTS IN THE OLD AND NEW TESTAMENT (Continued)

OUR MORAL DUTY TOWARDS OUR NEIGHBOR; TABLE 2

MATTHEW 22:38-40
[39], And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS (LOVE TO GOD AND LOVE TO YOUR NEIGHBOR) HANG ALL THE LAW AND THE PROPHETS.

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LEVITICUS 19:18 [18], You shall not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF;: I am the LORD.

* JESUS says; On these two great commandments of LOVE; Hang ALL the LAW and the prophets.

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5. HONOR PARENTS

5th Commandment OT: "Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee." (Ex 20:12)

5th Commandment NT: " . . . Why do ye also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition? For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." (Mt15:3,4/Mk 7:10)

"Honour thy father and thy mother . . . " (Mt 19:19/Mk 10:19/Lk18:20)

"Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them." (Rom 1:29-32)

"Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right. Honour thy father and mother; (which is the first commandment with promise), that it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth." (Eph 6:1-3)

"Children, obey your parents in all things: for this is well pleasing unto the Lord." (Col 3:20)

"But if any widow have children or nephews, let them learn first to shew piety at home, and to requite their parents: for that is good and acceptable before God." (1Tim 5:4)

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6. DO NOT MURDER

6th Commandment OT: "Thou shalt not kill (murder)." (Ex 20:13)

6th Commandment NT: "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment." (Mt 5:21,22 - see 1Jn 2:9) [Jesus says unjustified anger is equal to murder]

" Do not kill . . ." (Mk 10:19)

" Thou shalt not kill . . ." (Rom 13:9)

"For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law." (James 2:11)

"But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters." (1Pet 4:15)

"We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.Whosoever hateth his brother is a murderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him." (1Jn 3:14,15)

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7. DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY

7th Commandment OT: "Thou shalt not commit adultery" (Ex 20:14)

7th Commandment NT: "Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart." (Mt 5:27,28) [Lustful fantasies are equal to adultery]

"I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery." (Mt 5:32)

"Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery . . ." (Mt 19:18/Mk 10:19/Lk 18:20)

"Whosoever shall put away his wife, and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if a woman shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery." (Mk 10:11,12)

"Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery." (Lk 16:18 )

"this woman was taken in adultery, in the very act. . . . Jesus said unto her, . . . go, and sin no more. (Jn 8:4-11)

"So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress" (Rom 7:3)

"Thou shalt not commit adultery . . ." (Rom 13:9)

"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." (1Cor 6:9,10)

"Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doeth is without the body; but he that committeth fornication sinneth against his own body." (1Cor 6:18)

"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God." (Gal 5:19-21)

"For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication" (1 Thes 4:3)

"Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge." (Heb 13:4)

"Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." (Jude 1:7)

"And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds." (Rev 2:21,22)

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8. DO NOT STEAL

8th Commandment OT: "Thou shalt not steal." (Ex 20:15)

8th Commandment NT: "Thou shalt not steal . . " (Mt 19:18/Rom 13:9)

"Do not steal . . . " (Mk 10:19/Lk 18:20)

" . . . thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God." (1Cor 6:10)

"Let him that stole steal no more: but rather let him labour, working with his hands the thing which is good, that he may have to give to him that needeth." (Eph 4:28)

"But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters." (1Pet 4:15)

"Neither repented they of their murders, nor of their sorceries, nor of their fornication, nor of their thefts." (Rev 9:21)

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9. DO NOT LIE

9th Commandment OT: "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor." (Ex 20:16)

9th Commandment NT: " . . . every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned." (Mt 12:36,37)

"For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies: These are the things which defile a man." (Mt 15:19,20)

" Thou shalt not bear false witness . . ." (Mt 19:18/Rom 13:9)

" Do not bear false witness . . . " (Mk10:19/Lk 18:20)

"Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it." (John 8:44)

"But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty . . . " (2Co 4:2)

"Wherefore putting away lying, speak every man truth with his neighbour." (Eph 4:25)

"Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds" (Col 3:9)

"Even so must their wives be grave, not slanderers, sober, faithful in all things." (1Tim 3:11)

" speak evil of no man" (Titus 3:2)

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Rev 21:8)

"For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie." (Rev 22:15)

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10. DO NOT COVET/LUST

10th Commandment OT: "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor anything that is thy neighbour's." (Ex 20:17)

10th Commandment NT: "And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth." (Lk 12:15)

"What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet." (Rom 7:7)

" Thou shalt not covet . . . " (Rom 13:9)

"But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints;" (Eph 5:3)

"For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows." (1Tim 6:10)

"Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee." (Heb 13:5)

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Yep seems like EVERONE of God's 10 Commandments are repeated in the NEW TESTAMENT.

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God's 10 Commandments give us a KNOWLEDGE of what sin is. SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Let's talk more when you have some scripture to share?

Really? ...... I don't think so..... that hasn't led to them accepting the truth so far.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Really? ...... I don't think so..... that hasn't led to them accepting the truth so far.

It is ok Jeff happy to go through scripture with anyone and test it against God's WORD.

ISAIAH 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.[4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

We should share and point all to God's WORD (Jesus) for all to see. God's sheep will hear his Voice (the Word). They may not be the ones today that reject his Word but others may come along who hear His Voice.

It is the job of the WATCHMAN to speak God's WORD to help all that do not see *Ezekiel 3:17-21. If no one plants the seed (Word) how will the truth grow?

May God bless you as you continue in his Word

 

[bekkilyn]

Here let me help...

1. You believe you can be saved in sin. (God's Word does not teach this. It teaches those who continue in KNOWN unrepentant sin will be lost).

In that case, we are all lost because there isn't a single person who has ever been on this earth since the Fall (with the exception of Jesus) who has not been in a continuous sinful state. If your claim is that you are not a sinner, then your claim is false.

2. You teach GRACE without OBEDIENCE (God's WORD does not teach this)

Obedience is a consequence of being saved, and it happens through the work of the Holy Spirit, not by our own works. It is the Holy Spirit working through us. If you have to obey a sabbath *law* in order to be saved, that's not grace and denies the Spirit.

3. You believe in faith without the fruit of works or OBEDIENCE to God's LAW the 10 Commandments. (God's WORD does not teach this)

Fruit of works is a *consequence* of already being saved, not a requirement *to* be saved. If you are stating that you need to *do* something such as obey a ritual sabbath *law* in order to enter the kingdom of God, then you are preaching salvation by works, not salvation by faith through grace alone.

It is dishonest to claim grace salvation when what you are preaching is works salvation.

4. You believe the 10 Commandments are not a requirement for Christians (God's WORD does not teach this)

The Holy Spirit is our law, and is the seal of the new covenant.

5, You cannot show a single scripture to say God's SABBATH is abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day. Yet call God's 4th Commandment Sabbath a false teaching when it is all through the OLD and NEW TESTAMENT scriptures.

For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: "Love your neighbor as yourself." - Galatians 5:14

Plenty of others out there.

6. You mix up the Shadow laws with those that are eternal (God's WORD does not teach this)

False as has been demonstrated to you numerous times by numerous people.

7. You accuse people of things they are not saying or believing after you have been corrected.

Then answer "yes" or "no" to the question of whether Christians who do not observe the seventh day sabbath are saved, and help clear up the accusation rather than continue to obscure things.

8. You ignore God's WORD posted to you neither do you respond to it.

Whenever anyone posts scripture, whether a little or a lot, you reject all of it, refuse to discuss it, and just post the same out-of-context concordance of bible verses over and over as a response.

9. You twist what people say to you to make out they are saying something they are not.

You can always clear up any confusion by answering direct questions that are posed to you. Instead, you deflect and obscure. When someone asks you whether or not it is raining outside your house, and you answer with something like, "It rains on the just and the unjust alike", that's not answering the question that was asked. If you don't want to answer the question, then just simply say you don't want to answer it and that you're just not going to. That would be the honest answer.

Let me know if you want the post links to all the above statements and the scripture references that disagree with you that you have not responded to?

Let's talk more when you have some scripture to share? This is only written as a help for you. I will pray for you

May God help you as you seek him through his Word.

This is the closest you've come to actually talking in a while. It's much nicer to actually discuss something than posting the same concordance over and over and calling it discussion.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

In that case, we are all lost because there isn't a single person who has ever been on this earth since the Fall (with the exception of Jesus) who has not been in a continuous sinful state. If your claim is that you are not a sinner, then your claim is false.

Not really. We have a Saviour that gives those who BELIEVE his WORD POWER to walk in his ways. He is the great Physician who has come to heal the sick. Many do not know the meaning (Matthew 9:12-13)

Obedience is a consequence of being saved, and it happens through the work of the Holy Spirit, not by our own works. It is the Holy Spirit working through us. If you have to obey a sabbath *law* in order to be saved, that's not grace and denies the Spirit.

And here you go again. Who says you are saved by your own works? No one here. If you have the Holy Spirit then are you obedient to God's LAW or do you break it?

Fruit of works is a *consequence* of already being saved, not a requirement *to* be saved. If you are stating that you need to *do* something such as obey a ritual sabbath *law* in order to enter the kingdom of God, then you are preaching salvation by works, not salvation by faith through grace alone.

And here you go again. Who says you are saved by your own works? No one here. Yet you already know this as you have already been told.

It is dishonest to claim grace salvation when what you are preaching is works salvation.

Yep "DITTO" there you go again making up stuff no one is saying.

The Holy Spirit is our law, and is the seal of the new covenant.

Sorry bekkilyn, none have God's Spirit, or God's forgiveness, while breaking ANY ONE of God's commandments and continuing in KNOWN UNREPENTANT sin (James 2:11; Act 2:38; 3:19; 8:22; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:3-10)

For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: "Love your neighbor as yourself." - Galatians 5:14 Plenty of others out there.

Indeed here are a few..

MATTHEW 22:36-40
[36], Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.
[39], And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS [Of LOVE to GOD and MAN] HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets .

Yep Jesus says all God's LAW hang on the two great commandments of LOVE.

ROMANS 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED [does] THE LAW.
[9], FOR THIS, YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT KILL, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT LIE, YOU SHALL NOT COVET; and IF THERE BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: THEREFORE LOVE IS THE FULFILLING [Doing] OF THE LAW.

Yep Paul agrees with Jesus if you love someone you will OBEY God's LAW. Seems God's WORD disagrees with you.

False as has been demonstrated to you numerous times by numerous people.

Well that has no truth in it. Prove it? No one else has.
GOD's WORD disagrees with you linked CLICK ME. Look forward to your response.

Then answer "yes" or "no" to the question of whether Christians who do not observe the seventh day sabbath are saved, and help clear up the accusation rather than continue to obscure things.

Answered with God's WORD with a detailed reply in post # 582 linked CLICK ME,

Whenever anyone posts scripture, whether a little or a lot, you reject all of it, refuse to discuss it, and just post the same out-of-context concordance of bible verses over and over as a response.

Well that is not true. Please prove it and post a link. If you cannot your just making things up again. If scripture is posted by someone I go through each post and scripture and respond to every part of it looking at the within scripture and chapter context and Greek and Hebrew Word meanings. It is you who reject the scriptures shared with you neither do you respond to the posts with the scriptures shared with you but quote your own words over God's WORD. Happy to provide some examples just let me know?

You can always clear up any confusion by answering direct questions that are posed to you. Instead, you deflect and obscure. When someone asks you whether or not it is raining outside your house, and you answer with something like, "It rains on the just and the unjust alike", that's not answering the question that was asked. If you don't want to answer the question, then just simply say you don't want to answer it and that you're just not going to. That would be the honest answer.

Ehh now your making things up because you have no scripture to share.

This is the closest you've come to actually talking in a while. It's much nicer to actually discuss something than posting the same concordance over and over and calling it discussion.

This is just being untruthful. Only God's WORD is true. I will leave this between you and God. Let me know when you have some scriptures to share. I will pray for you

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

 

[Small Fish]

Hello Small Fish, BIG Welcome to this OP and very nice to meet you

Thank you very much.

Thanks for your thoughts here but who is William Branham

He is my prophet.

and why should he be believed over the Word of God?

By this I gather he said something that you disagree with.

You are getting your Shadows laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT mixed up with God's ETERNAL LAWS (10 commandments) that give us the KNOWLEDGE of good and evil, sin and righteousness that are the very standard of the OLD and NEW COVENANT and the JUDGMENT to come (Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4).

All the Shadow (types) laws were prophetic in nature given after the fall of mankind and pointed to Jesus and God's plan of salvation in the MOSIAC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT.

I tend to agree with you on this point.

Q. How can God's 4th Commandment SABBATH be a SHADOW law when it was part of a COMPLETED WORK (Shadows and types are not completed) at creation BEFORE sin entered into the world and before God's plan of salvation was revealed?

I tend to disagree with you on this. I believe you only have part of the picture. We are worshiping a Person and not a day. Every Scripture and law is designed to bring out God and His attributes to the worshiper whereof Sabbath is only one of those. Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the law.

Matthew 5:17
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

The Sabbath was made BEFORE SIN when mankind was in perfect harmony with God so is neither prophetic in nature or part of God's plan of salvation so cannot be a type or Shadow law because it was made when there was no sin and no plan of salvation (Genesis 2:1-3)

True, except that man was separated from God and therefore from the true rest. The true Sabbath still existed and always will but Adam and Eve never kept a certain day of the week. They were only prohibited from eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. It was only after the fall and certain point of the progression of the revelation of God that a specific day was given for them to keep. Up until the fall God Himself was their Rest. In the Eternal realm their is no time dimension. No night and no day. It came with the fall. You will notice as well that most things in the law was in cycles, temporal in nature. Daily sacrifices, months, yearly feasts etc. which was only pointing to the Eternal thing which was to come, Jesus Christ.

MATTHEW 11:28-30 says nothing about the Sabbath. It is talking about BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD and resting in Christ for forgiveness of SIN. None enter into God's SABBATH rest without first entering into God's Gospel rest. (HEBREWS 4:1-5; 9-10)

Sabbath means "to rest". So Jesus (the Holy Ghost) is our Rest and our Sabbath.

Your point here is irrelavant as Revelation 1:10 "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day is only discussing what John saw and was revealed to him on this day.

Not in Revelation 1:10-20. The topic and CONTEXT is that John was in the Spirit on the Lord's day which Matthew 12:8 says is the Sabbath day and that he was speaking to Jesus in the Heavenly Sanctuary not the 2nd coming and day of God's wrath.

I disagree. I can give you multiple Scripture that describe the Lord's day as a future event and not a mere Saturday. This is what I mean by you only have a portion of the picture but fail to follow further with the revelation of God.

Joel 2:31
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come.

Malachi 4
For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts.
4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:
6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

And this is exactly what the Spirit shown John. Revelation 1 is the Revelation of the Son of man and according to Luke 17:13 it points to a future event.

Luke 17
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

This is what he means by day of the Lord. You will notice that Revelation 1 describes Jesus as the Judge and not in His Priestly office as mediator. Therefore Great and terrible day of the Lord!

Agreed. But what is God's REST that we are talking about here? You left out the scritures from your post above. Let's have a look.

HEBREWS 4:1-10
1, Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into HIS REST, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2, For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3, For we which have believed do enter into REST, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into MY REST: although the WORKS WERE FINISHED FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.
4, FOR HE SPOKE IN A CERTAIN PLACE OF THE SEVENTH DAY ON THIS WISE, AND GOD DID REST THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS.
5, And in this place again, If they shall enter into MY REST.

NOTE: CONTEXT is God's REST from the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST OF CREATION (v4-5) and those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD's WORD enter into God's SABBATH REST as GOD did on the SEVENTH DAY of the week. CONTEXT is GOD's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST and those who believe or do not believe God's WORD and enter into that rest.

6, Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7, Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8, For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9, There remains a SABBATH REST to the people of God.
10, For he that is entered into his rest (v9 SABBATH REST), he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his [reference to Genesis 2:1-3].
11, Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief (Heb 3).

HEBREWS 3-4 is talking about none can enter into God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST without first entering into God's gospel rest of BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD.

I believe bringing in the rest of Hebrews 4 strengthens my argument and not weakens it.

HEBREWS 4:1-10
1, Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into HIS REST, any of you should seem to come short of it.
(By not moving forward with the Revelation) Hebrews 6

2, For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
(They kept the Sabbath day but still they never entered into the promise land which is also a type of the Holy Ghost and True Sabbath)

3, For we which have believed do enter into REST, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into MY REST: although the WORKS WERE FINISHED FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.
4, FOR HE SPOKE IN A CERTAIN PLACE OF THE SEVENTH DAY ON THIS WISE, AND GOD DID REST THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS.
(And He was finished because He does not live in this temporary realm. The true Sabbath is Eternal)

5, And in this place again, If they shall enter into MY REST.
(Enter into MY REST, get it? Not Saturday, His Eternal Rest)

6, Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
(Even though they kept the Sabbath Saturday. 1 Corinthians 10:1-5)

7, Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8, For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.(Which He did not!)

9, There remains a SABBATH REST to the people of God.
10, For he that is entered into his rest (v9 SABBATH REST), he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his [reference to Genesis 2:1-3].
(Eternally! Not Saturday to Saturday, God never start working the next day. The work was finished)

11, Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief (Heb 3).
(Why labor to enter an Saturday?)

God's 4th Commandment SABBATH is not a Shadow Sabbath. There are Shadow Sabbaths however outlined in Leviticus 23 attached to annual festivals that can fall on any day of the week. These however are not God's 4th Commandment and have a different purpose as outlined in the MOSAIC Shdow laws in the BOOK of the COVENANT.

SHADOW LAWS and SCRIPTURE SUPPORT HERE CLICK ME (see PARTS 1-6).

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

Hope this helps.

We should still keep the Sabbath Holy. I do agree but not with the part of Sunday being man's tradition.

What you don't seem to understand yet is the Revelation of God is progressive. You got stuck in the law and never moved into grace. You still wan't to earn your salvation. (I assume you are 7th Day Adventist. So was my wife and my in laws still is)

Matthew 5:17
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

I am sure you are familiar with this Scripture. Allow me to expand on it.

Matthew 5:21-22
21 Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:
22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Which is the sixth commandment. See the Revelation progressing? He gives more all the time. Next...

Matthew 5:27
27 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

It gets more severe now! And so have the Sabbath day and you have not recognized it. So, could it be possible that after all your effort that you might find yourself into a position of dishonoring the Sabbath?

Hebrews 6
1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
3 And this will we do, if God permit.
4 For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,
5 And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,
6 If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.
7 For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:
8 But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

 

[bekkilyn]

Not really. We have a Saviour that gives those who BELIEVE his WORD POWER to walk in his ways. He is the great Physician who has come to heal the sick. Many do not know the meaning (Matthew 9:12-13)

And here you go again. Who says yo are saved by your own works? No one here. If you have the Holy Spirit then are you obedient to God's LAW or do you break it?

And here you go again. Who says yo are saved by your own works? No one here. Yet you already know this as you have already been told.

Yep "DITTO" there you go again making up stuff no one is saying.

Sorry bekkilyn, none have God's Spirit, or God's forgiveness, while breaking ANY ONE of God's commandments and continuing in KNOWN UNREPENTANT sin (James 2:11; Act 2:38; 3:19; 8:22; 1 John 2:3-4; 1 John 3:3-10)

Indeed here are a few..

MATTHEW 22:36-40
[36], Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37], Jesus said to him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.
[38], This is the first and great commandment.
[39], And the second is like to it, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[40], ON THESE TWO COMMANDMENTS [Of LOVE to GOD and MAN] HANG ALL THE LAW and the prophets .

Yep Jesus says all God's LAW hang on the two great commandments of LOVE.

ROMANS 13:8-10
[8], Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for HE THAT LOVES ANOTHER HAS FULFILLED [does] THE LAW.
[9], FOR THIS, YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY, YOU SHALL NOT KILL, YOU SHALL NOT STEAL, YOU SHALL NOT LIE, YOU SHALL NOT COVET; and IF THERE BE ANY OTHER COMMANDMENT, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, You shall love your neighbor as yourself.
[10], Love works no ill to his neighbor: THEREFORE LOVE IS THE FULFILLING [Doing] OF THE LAW.

Yep Paul agrees with Jesus if you love someone you will OBEY God's LAW. Seems God's WORD disagrees with you.

Well that has no truth in it. Prove it? No one else has.
GOD's WORD disagrees with you linked CLICK ME. Look forward to your response.

Answered with God's WORD with a detailed reply in post # 582 linked CLICK ME,

Well that is not true. Please prove it and post a link. If you cannot your just making things up again. If scripture is posted by someone I go through each post and scripture and respond to every part of it looking at the within scripture and chapter context and Greek and Hebrew Word meanings. It is you who reject the scriptures shared with you neither do you respond to the posts with the scriptures shared with you but quote your own words over God's WORD. Happy to provide some examples just let me know?

Ehh now your making things up because you have no scripture to share.

This is just being untruthful. Only God's WORD is true. I will leave this between you and God. Let me know when you have some scriptures to share. I will pray for you

May God bless you as you seek him through his Word.

"Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the Lord pondereth the hearts." - Proverbs 21:2

 

[bekkilyn]

We can pretend this next set of question is on one of those standardized tests where you have a fill in a little bubble with a number 2 pencil next to an answer. Any marks or writing outside of the answer itself is disqualified.

1. Christians who worship God on Sunday instead of Saturday are not saved and will be destroyed in the lake of fire.

a. true
b. false

2. Christians must observe a seventh day sabbath to be saved.

a. true
b. false

3. Christians who worship God on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and therefore cannot enter God's kingdom.

a. true
b. false

4. Unrepentant sin only applies to Sunday worshipers.

a. true
f. false

5. Observing a seventh day sabbath cleanses us from all unrighteousness and makes us sin-free.

a. true
b. false

6. There is no real assurance of salvation until the second coming.

a. true
b. false

7. Following the ten commandments is more important than following the conviction of the Holy Spirit.

a. true
b. false

I suppose that is all for the moment. Seven is a good and perfect number.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Hi Small Fish, welcome back . Some comments for your consideration below.

LoveGodsWord wrote: Q. How can God's 4th Commandment SABBATH be a SHADOW law when it was part of a COMPLETED WORK (Shadows and types are not completed) at creation BEFORE sin entered into the world and before God's plan of salvation was revealed?

I tend to disagree with you on this. I believe you only have part of the picture. We are worshiping a Person and not a day. Every Scripture and law is designed to bring out God and His attributes to the worshiper whereof Sabbath is only one of those. Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the law. Matthew 5:17 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

How can you disagree as what you are quoting from is a question which you have not answered? The question here is in reference to GENESIS 2:1-3. Let's look at the scriptures and the question again and maybe you can answer it in your next post. GENESIS 2:1-3, EXODUS 20:8-11 and HEBREWS 4 are all connected by the way. We can discuss them all as we continue.

GENESIS 2:1-3 [1], Thus the heavens and the earth WERE FINISHED, and all the host of them. [2], And on the SEVENTH DAY GOD ENDED HIS WORK which he had made; and he RESTED on the SEVENTH DAY from all his work which he had made. [3], And God blessed the SEVENTH DAY, and made it HOLY: because that in it HE HAD RESTED from all his work which God created and made.

KEY POINTS;
1. God made the SABBATH on the SEVENTH DAY of creation (v2-3)
2. On this day God RESTED from all the work he had FINISHED. It is God's REST (v1-3)
3. God blessed the SEVENTH DAY of the week and set it apart making it a HOLY DAY (v3)
4. The SEVENTH DAY is part of the FINISHED work of the creation week (v1-3)
5. God's SEVENTH DAY REST was made BEFORE SIN when mankind was in harmony with God (Gen 3)
6. Because there was no sin and mankind was in harmony with God there was no plan of salvation (Gen 2-3)

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Now looking at the above scriptures and key points taken from those scriptures consider again the question asked of you.

Q. How can God's 4th Commandment SABBATH be a SHADOW law when it was part of a COMPLETED WORK (Shadows and types are not completed) at creation BEFORE sin entered into the world and before God's plan of salvation was revealed?

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If you honestly answer this question looking at scripture alone you will see that God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH cannot be a Shadow of anything because it is part of the FINISHED WORK of CREATION BEFORE SIN and God's PLAN of salvation. The Shadow laws from the MOSIAC BOOK of the Covenant are prophetic laws to do with God's plan PLAN of salvation. When the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH was made there was NO SIN and NO PLAN OF SALVATION and it was the FINISHED work of creation. Therefore the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH cannot be a Shadow of anything as it is a FINISHED WORD before sin and God's plan of salvation.

LoveGodsWord wrote: The Sabbath was made BEFORE SIN when mankind was in perfect harmony with God so is neither prophetic in nature or part of God's plan of salvation so cannot be a type or Shadow law because it was made when there was no sin and no plan of salvation (Genesis 2:1-3)

True, except that man was separated from God and therefore from the true rest. The true Sabbath still existed and always will but Adam and Eve never kept a certain day of the week. They were only prohibited from eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. It was only after the fall and certain point of the progression of the revelation of God that a specific day was given for them to keep. Up until the fall God Himself was their Rest. In the Eternal realm their is no time dimension. No night and no day. It came with the fall. You will notice as well that most things in the law was in cycles, temporal in nature. Daily sacrifices, months, yearly feasts etc. which was only pointing to the Eternal thing which was to come, Jesus Christ.

This is not true. When the SABBATH was made in GENESIS 2:1-3 Mankind was NOT separated from God. Mankind (Adam and Eve) was in perfect harmony with God (sinless). They did not become separated from God until AFTER God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH was created when they sinned (GENESIS 3). God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST was made BEFORE SIN entered the WORLD as part of a FINISHED work of creation. Who says ADAM and EVEN never kept the SABBATH? ADAM and EVE sinned in the garden of eden and met with God on the SABBATH *GENESIS 2 and the creation of the Sabbath is just prior to Genesis 3 (the Fall of mankind).

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The daily sacrifices, months, years, feasts, are all a part of the Shadow laws and part of God's plan of salvation pointing to Jesus and the NEW COVENANT. They are not God's ETERNAL law (10 commandments) and once again the SABBATH was part of God's REST from the FINISHED WORK of CREATION before SIN and BEFORE God's plan of salvation so cannot be a Shadow law.

Sabbath means "to rest". So Jesus (the Holy Ghost) is our Rest and our Sabbath.

NO it doesn't. Here are the HEBREW and GREEK WORD meanings for SABBATH provided below.

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HEBREW WORD SABBATH (REF: EXODUS 20:8) H7676; ; shabbâth; shab-bawth' שׁבּת; Intensive from H7673; intermission, that is, (specifically) the Sabbath: - (+ every) sabbath.

The HEBREW Word for SABBATH means a break in the week as something that is ongoing [every Sabbath or every seventh day]

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GREEK WORD SABBATH (REF: JOHN 19:31) G4521; σάββατον; sabbaton; sab'-bat-on
Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.

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So as you can see in both instances of HEBREW and GREEK work meaning of the SABBATH is in reference to the DAY and the iterval between the SEVENTH DAY in relation to God's 4th Commandment and ceasing work (Exodus 20:8-11). It does not mean rest but relates to the time of it.

The HEBREW WORD REST (REF GENESIS 2:1-3) H7673 שׁבת ; shâbath; shaw-bath' is the root word for SABBATH (H7676) and means to stop work, celebrate, cease, rest, keep SABBATH.

Hope this helps

 

[LoveGodsWord]

LoveGodsWord wrote; Your point here is irrelavant as Revelation 1:10 "I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day is only discussing what John saw and was revealed to him on this day.

Note in Revelation 1:10-20. The topic and CONTEXT is that John was in the Spirit on the Lord's day which Matthew 12:8 says is the Sabbath day and that he was speaking to Jesus in the Heavenly Sanctuary not the 2nd coming and day of God's wrath.

I disagree. I can give you multiple Scripture that describe the Lord's day as a future event and not a mere Saturday. This is what I mean by you only have a portion of the picture but fail to follow further with the revelation of God.

Joel 2:31
31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come.

Malachi 4
For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts.
4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord:
6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.

And this is exactly what the Spirit shown John. Revelation 1 is the Revelation of the Son of man and according to Luke 17:13 it points to a future event.

Luke 17
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

This is what he means by day of the Lord. You will notice that Revelation 1 describes Jesus as the Judge and not in His Priestly office as mediator. Therefore Great and terrible day of the Lord!

Both the scripture word meanings and the within scripture and shapter topic CONTEXTS of REVELATION 1:9-20 disagree with your scripture application and interpretations. Please see post # 538 linked and post # 540 linked. God's Word disagrees with you here.

If you disagree please address the two linked posts above. I suggest you at least read the linked posts. They show why these scriptures you have quoted do not apply to REVELATIONS 1:10.

I believe bringing in the rest of Hebrews 4 strengthens my argument and not weakens it.

HEBREWS 4:1-10
1, Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into HIS REST, any of you should seem to come short of it.
(By not moving forward with the Revelation) Hebrews 6

2, For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
(They kept the Sabbath day but still they never entered into the promise land which is also a type of the Holy Ghost and True Sabbath)

3, For we which have believed do enter into REST, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into MY REST: although the WORKS WERE FINISHED FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.
4, FOR HE SPOKE IN A CERTAIN PLACE OF THE SEVENTH DAY ON THIS WISE, AND GOD DID REST THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS.
(And He was finished because He does not live in this temporary realm. The true Sabbath is Eternal)

5, And in this place again, If they shall enter into MY REST.
(Enter into MY REST, get it? Not Saturday, His Eternal Rest)

6, Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
(Even though they kept the Sabbath Saturday. 1 Corinthians 10:1-5)

7, Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8, For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.(Which He did not!)

9, There remains a SABBATH REST to the people of God.
10, For he that is entered into his rest (v9 SABBATH REST), he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his [reference to Genesis 2:1-3].
(Eternally! Not Saturday to Saturday, God never start working the next day. The work was finished)

11, Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief (Heb 3).
(Why labor to enter an Saturday?)

Not really, HEBREWS 4 disagrees with your case as you have not defined what GOD'S REST is in HEBREWS 4 and it is clearly defined in the first 10 veres in this chapter. Let's look at the scriptures.

WHAT IS GOD'S REST AS DEFINED IN HEBREWS 4?

HEBREWS 4:1-10
1, Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into HIS REST, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2, For to us was the gospel preached, as well as to them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3, For we which have believed do enter into REST, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into MY REST: although the WORKS WERE FINISHED FROM THE FOUNDATION OF THE WORLD.
4, FOR HE SPOKE IN A CERTAIN PLACE OF THE SEVENTH DAY ON THIS WISE, AND GOD DID REST THE SEVENTH DAY FROM ALL HIS WORKS.
5, And in this place again, If they shall enter into MY REST.

NOTE: CONTEXT is God's REST from the SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST OF CREATION (v4-5) and those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW GOD's WORD enter into God's SABBATH REST as GOD did on the SEVENTH DAY of the week. CONTEXT is GOD's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST and those who believe or do not believe God's WORD and enter into that rest.

6, Seeing therefore it remains that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:
7, Again, he limits a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if you will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
8, For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9, There remains a SABBATH REST to the people of God.

Now notice Hebrews 4:9: “There remains therefore a SABBATH rest to the people of God.” In verses 1, 3, 4 and 8, the Greek word for “rest” is katapausin. It means “rest.” But in verse 9, the Greek word for “rest” is sabbatismos, which is a Hebrew word—Sabbat, which means “the Sabbath”—combined with a Greek suffix—ismos, which means “a keeping of” or “a doing of.” Put together, sabbatismo means “a keeping of the Sabbath.” When correctly translated, Hebrews 4:9 should read, “There remains therefore a keeping of the Sabbath to the people of God.” which most translations use.

10, For he that is entered into HIS REST (1-5 and v9 SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST), he also has ceased from his own works, as God did from his [reference to Genesis 2:1-3].
11, Let us labor therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief (Heb 3).

HEBREWS 3-4 is talking about none can enter into God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST without first entering into God's gospel rest of BELIEVING and FOLLOWING God's WORD.

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CONCLUSION: GOD'S REST as defined in HEBREWS 4 is God's SEVENTH DAY SABBATH REST from CREATION. No one enters into God's REST without entering into the Gospel REST. This dissagrees with your understanding of Hebrews 4.

We should still keep the Sabbath Holy. I do agree but not with the part of Sunday being man's tradition.

Well said. Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

However, you are not correct here. Sunday worship is indeed a teaching and traditions of men that has lead many to break God's 4th commandment. There is not one scripture in the entire bible that says God's 4th commandments is now abolished and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

It is JESUS that says those who follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God are not following God (John 15:3-9).

What you don't seem to understand yet is the Revelation of God is progressive. You got stuck in the law and never moved into grace. You still wan't to earn your salvation. (I assume you are 7th Day Adventist. So was my wife and my in laws still is)

Sorry Small Fish, there is no truth in this statement whatsoever. Please prove what you have said here with scripture if you cannot then this is just made up. Where have I ever posted in this thread or forum anywhere that anyone is saved by works or earning their way to heaven? We are only saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a gift of God and not of works lest anyman should boast (Ephesians 2:8). Your statement above is false and you seem to be misinformed. Please do not presume you know me or know what I believe. If you want to find out what I believe your welcome to ask me.

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SIN is breaking any of God's 10 Commandments (Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT ENTER the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

Thanks for sharing and hope this helps.

 

[sparow]

Well, is there any reason we know why someone who disagrees with SDA could not be on the same side without knowing it as someone who agrees with SDA - both of these either completely independently not knowing each other, or in some way knowing each other, couldn't both (in spite of various opposing and/or similar beliefs) be willing and might even already today have previously decided by an act of their own choice to accept the mark , regardless of when it is or what it is ? (i.e. irregardless (or regardless?) of what they believe about Yahweh's Seventh Day Sabbath or "The Lord's Day" ) .....

I believe "the Lord's day" is Sunday for those who use the term that way; but which Lord? Certainly they must be talking about the Lord of Sunday, not the Lord of the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a flag the Children of God wave, but it can be waved falsely. The Sunday flag has been around since Nimrod. What is the mark of the beast, how is it different to the mark of Cain which is a state of mind; can a person with an evil mind change?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I believe "the Lord's day" is Sunday for those who use the term that way; but which Lord? Certainly they must be talking about the Lord of Sunday, not the Lord of the Sabbath. The Sabbath is a flag the Children of God wave, but it can be waved falsely. The Sunday flag has been around since Nimrod. What is the mark of the beast, how is it different to the mark of Cain which is a state of mind; can a person with an evil mind change?

Yet here we still are. No one has been able to show a single scripture against the OP proving that Sunday is the "Lord's Day" Yet it is God's WORD alone that says that the SEVENTH day Sabbath is the "Lord's Day" (Matthew 12:8). The mark of the beast is indeed over sin (believing and doing). It is not received however until it is enforced by law by the 2nd beast of Revelations 13 (www.beastsmark.com).

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SIN is breaking any of God's 10 Commandments (Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT ENTER the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

In times of ignorance God winks at but when as knowledge of the truth has come God calls on all men everywhere to repent and believe his Word (Acts 17:30-31)

God's is calling his people to come out from following the traditions of men to worship him in Spirit and in truth.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

We can pretend this next set of question is on one of those standardized tests where you have a fill in a little bubble with a number 2 pencil next to an answer. Any marks or writing outside of the answer itself is disqualified.

Why provide a false argument without God's WORD? Only God's WORD is true and is the final authority on all things and this is what we should be sharing for what we believe.

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1. Christians who worship God on Sunday instead of Saturday are not saved and will be destroyed in the lake of fire.

a. true
b. false (According to God's WORD, Christians are those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD and keep all of God's Commandments including God's 4th Commandment Sabbath. (Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14; 1 John 2:3-4)

2. Christians must observe a seventh day sabbath to be saved.

a. true
b. false (We are only saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a GIFT of God and not of works lest anyman should boast (Epehsians 2:8). OBEDIENCE to God's WORD however is the fruit of faith which establishes God's LAW in the BELIEVERS life (Romans 3:31)

3. Christians who worship God on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and therefore cannot enter God's kingdom.

a. true
b. false (No one receives the Mark of the Beast until it is forced by the 2nd Beast of Revelation 13. It is not about worshipping God on a day it is about sin and breaking God's 4th Commandment. More scripture? www.thebeastsmark.com)

4. Unrepentant sin only applies to Sunday worshipers.

a. true
f. false (KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN applies to all who practice it (Hebrews 10:26-27)

5. Observing a seventh day sabbath cleanses us from all unrighteousness and makes us sin-free.

a. true
b. false (Only Jesus cleanses us from all unrighteousness 1 John 1:7-9; Hebrews 9:14)

6. There is no real assurance of salvation until the second coming.

a. true
b. false (If you believe and FOLLOW God's WORD today you can have assurance today you are right with God because God's WORD says so but it is only those who endue to the end that enter God's Kingdom Matthew 10:22)

7. Following the ten commandments is more important than following the conviction of the Holy Spirit.

a. true
b. false (None have God's Spirit if they KNOWINGLY continue to break ANY of God's Commandments and do not seek Jesus in repentance and forgiveness. God's Spirit however will convict you of sin through God's WORD Act 2:38; John 16:8)

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How can you know the truth without the Word of God when there is no true or false and yes and no answers? Maybe it is time to read your bible. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

Do you have something to share now in relation to the OP here?

Hope this helps

 

[bekkilyn]

Why provide a false argument without God's WORD? Only God's WORD is true and is the final authority on all things and this is what we should be sharing for what we believe.

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1. Christians who worship God on Sunday instead of Saturday are not saved and will be destroyed in the lake of fire.

a. true
b. false (According to God's WORD, Christians are those who BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD and keep all of God's Commandments including God's 4th Commandment Sabbath. (Revelation 12:17; Revelation 14:12; Revelation 22:14; 1 John 2:3-4)

So by your statement here, it is not possible to even be a Christian if one does not go to church on Saturday, because observing the sabbath is literally defined by the *day* you observe it and not through any other means.

2. Christians must observe a seventh day sabbath to be saved.

a. true
b. false (We are only saved by GRACE through faith and not of ourselves it is a GIFT of God and not of works lest anyman should boast (Epehsians 2:8). OBEDIENCE to God's WORD however is the fruit of faith which establishes God's LAW in the BELIEVERS life (Romans 3:31)

Circular argument that goes nowhere because it is not even possible to be a Christian in the first place unless you *do* something first that has nothing whatsoever to do with grace. Go to church on Saturdays in order to observe a seventh day sabbath, because the meaning of sabbath is obviously what *day* you do it. Interesting way to interpret grace.

3. Christians who worship God on Sunday will receive the mark of the beast and therefore cannot enter God's kingdom.

a. true
b. false (No one receives the Mark of the Beast until it is forced by the 2nd Beast of Revelation 13. It is not about worshipping God on a day it is about sin and breaking God's 4th Commandment. More scripture? www.thebeastsmark.com)

But see, if you don't go to church on Saturday, you would be breaking the 4th commandment by these definitions, so even though you aren't literally saying "go to church on Saturday", it all comes down to the same thing since that's what Sabbath apparently means. It's the *day* that is important and nothing else.

4. Unrepentant sin only applies to Sunday worshipers.

a. true
f. false (KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN applies to all who practice it (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Seems like every human being is doomed because everyone practices, even if they pretend they don't know they are in sin.

5. Observing a seventh day sabbath cleanses us from all unrighteousness and makes us sin-free.

a. true
b. false (Only Jesus cleanses us from all unrighteousness 1 John 1:7-9; Hebrews 9:14)

Except he apparently only does it for people who go to church on Saturday since that's the only way to be a Christian in the first place.

6. There is no real assurance of salvation until the second coming.

a. true
b. false (If you believe and FOLLOW God's WORD today you can have assurance today you are right with God because God's WORD says so but it is only those who endue to the end that enter God's Kingdom Matthew 10:22)

So you can only have a temporary assurance that doesn't last past any given day because God can and does just yank the rug out from under you at any random moment of the day that you forget to repent, or you didn't get a chance to repent about something before that boulder suddenly fell out of the sky and crushed you to death. No wonder so many Saturday keepers cannot seem to live with the assurance of salvation.

7. Following the ten commandments is more important than following the conviction of the Holy Spirit.

a. true
b. false (None have God's Spirit if they KNOWINGLY continue to break ANY of God's Commandments and do not seek Jesus in repentance and forgiveness. God's Spirit however will convict you of sin through God's WORD Act 2:38; John 16:8)

So in order to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, one must be a Christian, but one cannot be a Christian unless one goes to church on Saturday in order to observe a seventh day sabbath, because sabbath is all about the *day* you do it and not based on any other thing.[/quote]

How can you know the truth without the Word of God when there is no true or false and yes and no answers? Maybe it is time to read your bible. Only God's WORD is true and we should believe and follow it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

Do you have something to share now in relation to the OP here?

Hope this helps

You've focused so much on not breaking the fourth commandment, by your definition, that you've missed the third commandment. I would think that misusing scripture in God's name in order to promote an agenda that condemns others and turns them away from Christ's grace and back under the burden of law and fear would be taking his name in vain.

 

[Kadeem Spence]

Hi All,

This thread is for scripture only. We would like to show that the "LORD'S DAY" that many proclaim is SUNDAY is a false teaching and you will not find this in God's WORD.

Let's start by looking at your scriptures that many use to claim SUNDAY is the "LORD'S DAY"

REVELATIONS 1:9-11 [9] I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. [10], I was in the Spirit on the LORD'S DAY, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet, [11], Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What you see, write in a book, and send it to the seven churches which are in Asia; to Ephesus, and to Smyrna, and to Pergamos, and to Thyatira, and to Sardis, and to Philadelphia, and to Laodicea.

No doubt about it Revelations 1:10 clearly says that John was in the SPIRIT on the "LORD'S DAY"!

NOW the only problem you have is the need to show scripture that says SUNDAY IS THE LORD'S DAY.

Can you please provide scripture that says SUNDAY or the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK is the "LORD'S DAY"?

If you cannot find any scriptures to say that SUNDAY is the "LORD'S DAY" then you have a problem.

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Now let's look at the scriptures that give the answer to our question

Q. WHAT DAY IS THE "LORD'S DAY" ACCORDING TO SCRIPTURE?
A. MATTHEW 12:8 [8], For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

Which day is the Lord's Day? THE SABBATH DAY (MATTHEW 12:8; MARK 2:27-28)

God's WORD says that the SABBATH DAY IS THE LORD'S DAY!

There is NO scripture that says Sunday or the FIRST DAY of the week is the Lords Day. God's Word says the Lord's day is the Sabbath day. This is the day God rested on, he set apart and made a Holy day at the completion of the creation week and made a memorial for all mankind (Genesis 2:1-3; Exodus 20:8-11). Jesus is the God of creation and he is the Lord of the Sabbath day (Matthew 12:8; Mark 2:27-28)

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Now friend's the SABBATH is the 4th Commandment of God's 10 Commandments and there is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says that God's 4th Commandment has been ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep SUNDAY as a HOLY DAY. The same as there is not one scripture in ALL of God's WORD that says that SUNDAY is the LORD'S DAY.

John in the book of REVELATIONS 1:10 was in the SPIRIT on the SABBATH DAY not SUNDAY!

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HOW WAS THE LORD'S DAY CHANGED TO SUNDAY?

SUNDAY Worship is a teaching and tradition of men handed down by the Roman Catholic Church that has lead many to break and ignore God's 4th Commandment (Exodus 20:8-11)

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ARE YOU FOLLOWING A MAN MADE TRADITION IN SUNDAY WORSHIP?

God's WORD is very clear. If we follow the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God then we are not following God...

MATTHEW 15:3-9
[3], But he answered and said to them, Why do you also transgress the commandment of God by your tradition?
[4], For God commanded, saying, Honor your father and mother: and, He that curses father or mother, let him die the death.
[5], But you say, Whoever shall say to his father or his mother, It is a gift, by whatever you might be profited by me;
[6], And honor not his father or his mother, he shall be free. Thus have you made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
[7], You hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
[8], This people draws near to me with their mouth, and honors me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
[9], But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Who do we believe and follow? The teachings and traditions of men or the WORD of God? Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God.

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SIN is breaking any of God's 10 Commandments (Romans 7:7; Romans 3:20; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT ENTER the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to keep Sunday as a Holy day.

In times of ignorance God winks at but when as knowledge of the truth has come God calls on all men everywhere to repent and believe his Word (Acts 17:30-31)

God's is calling his people to come out from following the traditions of men to worship him in Spirit and in truth.

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God knows many follow these traditions from ignorance because they do not know any better. He loves all and is calling all who have ears to hear and eyes to see. Seek him in prayer asking for his Spirit to guide and teach you. He promises to be your guide and teacher. (John 14:26; 16:13: 7:17)

May God bless you all as you seek him first through his Word. To him be all the glory forever and ever AMEN!

The sabbath day is satuday the 7th day !

 

[LoveGodsWord]

So by your statement here, it is not possible to even be a Christian if one does not go to church on Saturday, because observing the sabbath is literally defined by the *day* you observe it and not through any other means.

Not at all a Christian is one who BELIEVES and FOLLOWS God's WORD. The fruit of their FAITH is OBEDIENCE to all of God's LAW as shown in God's WORD.

WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE?

REVELATION 12:17 [17], And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

REVELATION 14:12 [12], HERE IS THE PATIANCE OF THE SAINTS: here are they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, AND THE FAITH OF JESUS.

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WHO ARE THOSE THAT RECEIVE ETERNAL LIFE?

REVELATION 22:14 [14], BLESSED ARE THEY THAT DO HIS COMMANDMENTS THAT THEY MAY HAVE RIGHT TO THE TREE OF LIFE, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

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HOW DO YOU KNOW IF YOU KNOW GOD?

1 JOHN 2:3-4
[3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 JOHN 3:3-9
[3], And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
[4], Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
[5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[6], Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
[7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[9], Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
[10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

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Yep, pretty clear who God's people are in God's WORD.
Sorry bekkilyn, God's WORD disagrees with you. We should BELIEVE and FOLLOW the WORD of God over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. Sin will keep all who practice it out of God's KINGDOM (Hebrews 10:26-27).

Circular argument that goes nowhere because it is not even possible to be a Christian in the first place unless you *do* something first that has nothing whatsoever to do with grace. Go to church on Saturdays in order to observe a seventh day sabbath, because the meaning of sabbath is obviously what *day* you do it. Interesting way to interpret grace.

Sorry bekkilyn, God's WORD disagrees with you. You have only been provded scripture here and your trying to argue your words over God's WORD. *Epesians 2:8; Romans 1:5; Romans 6:1-2; Romans 3:31 all disagree with you here. These are God's WORD and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW them. Read God's 4th commandment which is one of the 10 Commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is (Exodus 20:8-11). It is not saying what you are presenting above. Your trying to argue against things that are not written in God's WORD or that anyone is saying to you.

But see, if you don't go to church on Saturday, you would be breaking the 4th commandment by these definitions, so even though you aren't literally saying "go to church on Saturday", it all comes down to the same thing since that's what Sabbath apparently means. It's the *day* that is important and nothing else.

Not at all read Exodus 20:8-11. God's 4th Commandment has nothing to do with going to church. Your simply making things up. I suggest you read your bible to know what it says.

Seems like every human being is doomed because everyone practices, even if they pretend they don't know they are in sin.

Not at all that has no truth in it and is not biblical. John 3:3-9; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; 14:12; 22:14 all disagree with you. I suggest you BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD.

Except he apparently only does it for people who go to church on Saturday since that's the only way to be a Christian in the first place.

I feel sad for you that you feel the need to make of things no one is saying to you. SIN is breaking any of God's commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20). This includes God's 4th Commandment which is one of the 10 Commandments (Exodus 20:8-11). It has always been about sin and breaking God's LAW not about when you go to Church.

So you can only have a temporary assurance that doesn't last past any given day because God can and does just yank the rug out from under you at any random moment of the day that you forget to repent, or you didn't get a chance to repent about something before that boulder suddenly fell out of the sky and crushed you to death. No wonder so many Saturday keepers cannot seem to live with the assurance of salvation.

Nope your just making it up now and is not what has been said to you. This is just plain dishonest on your part. I will leave that between you and God. How you got the above from

LGW said; "If you believe and FOLLOW God's WORD today you can have assurance today you are right with God because God's WORD says so but it is only those who endue to the end that enter God's Kingdom Matthew 10:22

I suggest you believe and follow God's WORD.

So in order to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, one must be a Christian, but one cannot be a Christian unless one goes to church on Saturday in order to observe a seventh day sabbath, because sabbath is all about the *day* you do it and not based on any other thing.

"DITTO" making things up no one has said to you is just being dishonest. (see above)

You've focused so much on not breaking the fourth commandment, by your definition, that you've missed the third commandment. I would think that misusing scripture in God's name in order to promote an agenda that condemns others and turns them away from Christ's grace and back under the burden of law and fear would be taking his name in vain.

So sad for you. I suggest you believe and follow God's WORD and stop making things up no one is saying to you. You are free to believe as you wish. Your salvation is between you and God. Let me know when you have some scriptures to share?

May God help you.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

The sabbath day is satuday the 7th day !

Hi Kadeem Spence, big welcome to you brother nice to meet you.

 

[bekkilyn]

Not at all a Christian is one who BELIEVES and FOLLOWS God's WORD. The fruit of their FAITH is OBEDIENCE to all of God's LAW as shown in God's WORD.

WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE?

REVELATION 12:17 [17], And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

REVELATION 14:12 [12], HERE IS THE PATIANCE OF THE SAINTS: here are they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, AND THE FAITH OF JESUS.

.............

WHO ARE THOSE THAT RECEIVE ETERNAL LIFE?

REVELATION 22:14 [14], BLESSED ARE THEY THAT DO HIS COMMANDMENTS THAT THEY MAY HAVE RIGHT TO THE TREE OF LIFE, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

.............

HOW DO YOU KNOW IF YOU KNOW GOD?

1 JOHN 2:3-4
[3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 JOHN 3:3-9
[3], And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
[4], Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
[5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[6], Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
[7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[9], Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
[10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

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Yep, pretty clear who God's people are in God's WORD.
Sorry bekkilyn, God's WORD disagrees with you. We should BELIEVE and FOLLOW the WORD of God over the teachings and traditions of men that break the commandments of God. Sin will keep all who practice it out of God's KINGDOM (Hebrews 10:26-27).



Sorry bekkilyn, God's WORD disagrees with you. You have only been provded scripture here and your trying to argue your words over God's WORD. *Epesians 2:8; Romans 1:5; Romans 6:1-2; Romans 3:31 all disagree with you here. These are God's WORD and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW them. Read God's 4th commandment which is one of the 10 Commandments that give us a knowledge of what sin is (Exodus 20:8-11). It is not saying what you are presenting above. Your trying to argue against things that are not written in God's WORD or that anyone is saying to you.



Not at all read Exodus 20:8-11. God's 4th Commandment has nothing to do with going to church. Your simply making things up. I suggest you read your bible to know what it says.



Not at all that has no truth in it and is not biblical. John 3:3-9; 1 John 2:3-4; Revelation 12:17; 14:12; 22:14 all disagree with you. I suggest you BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD.



I feel sad for you that you feel the need to make of things no one is saying to you. SIN is breaking any of God's commandments (Romans 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20). This includes God's 4th Commandment which is one of the 10 Commandments (Exodus 20:8-11). It has always been about sin and breaking God's LAW not about when you go to Church.



Nope your just making it up now and is not what has been said to you. This is just plain dishonest on your part. I will leave that between you and God. How you got the above from

I suggest you believe and follow God's WORD.



"DITTO" making things up no one has said to you is just being dishonest. (see above)



So sad for you. I suggest you believe and follow God's WORD and stop making things up no one is saying to you. You are free to believe as you wish. Your salvation is between you and God. Let me know when you have some scriptures to share?

May God help you.

God is indeed helping me, thank you! When we put our trust entirely in him, and walk with him in love and the joy of his presence, and allow the transforming power of the Holy Spirit to bear witness to the *living* Word of Jesus Christ in our hearts, it is easy to see when someone is mis-using his written word to promote a false gospel, no matter how many out-of-context scripture verses are quoted. I pray that one day you will be able to experience his gift of grace without the yokes that you have put upon yourself. I really wish you could see. There really is no "catch" to Romans 10:9. The law condemned the world. Jesus came to save it.

 

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God is indeed helping me, thank you! When we put our trust entirely in him, and walk with him in love and the joy of his presence, and allow the transforming power of the Holy Spirit to bear witness to the *living* Word of Jesus Christ in our hearts, it is easy to see when someone is mis-using his written word to promote a false gospel, no matter how many out-of-context scripture verses are quoted. I pray that one day you will be able to experience his gift of grace without the yokes that you have put upon yourself. I really wish you could see. There really is no "catch" to Romans 10:9. The law condemned the world. Jesus came to save it.

If you deny God's WORD you deny God. You do not trust him by rejecting his WORD. Neither does anyone have his Spirit while knowingly continuing to break any of his Commandments. Only God's WORD is true and you speak your words over God's WORD.

The false Gospel according to God's WORD is the same one taught in the Garden of Eden in Genesis 3 and that is, you can break God's Commandments and not surely die.

This is the same teaching being promoted by those who reject God's WORD today.

HOW DO YOU KNOW IF YOU KNOW GOD?

1 JOHN 2:3-4
[3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
[4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 JOHN 3:3-9
[3], And every man that has this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.
[4], Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
[5], And you know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
[6], Whoever stays in him sins not: whoever sins has not seen him, neither known him.
[7], Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
[8], He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
[9], Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
[10], In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

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WHO ARE GOD'S PEOPLE?

REVELATION 12:17 [17], And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ

REVELATION 14:12 [12], HERE IS THE PATIANCE OF THE SAINTS: here are they that KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS OF GOD, AND THE FAITH OF JESUS.

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WHO ARE THOSE THAT RECEIVE ETERNAL LIFE?

REVELATION 22:14 [14], BLESSED ARE THEY THAT DO HIS COMMANDMENTS THAT THEY MAY HAVE RIGHT TO THE TREE OF LIFE, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

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Sorry my friend God's WORD disagrees with you. The LAW does indeed condemn the world because through the LAW is the knowledge of sin and all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3:20-23). It leads us to Christ so that we might be justified by faith Galatians 3:24. Jesus indeed is our Savior. As we have FAITH in his WORD he promises to save those who BELIEVE him from their sins so that we can be FREE to LOVE and Follow him.This is why Jesus says "If you LOVE me KEEP MY COMMANDMENTS (John 14:15).

God's Sheep hear his Voice (the Word of God).

May God help you.