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Yet there was no observance of it. It was not a sign of the covenant. Why? Because its not a particular day its a day beyond time and creation.If it is not a part of God's plan of salvation and it was created as part of the FINISHED WORK of CREATION BEFORE SIN entered the World, when mankind was in perfect harmony with God and because there was no sin there was no plan of salvation (Genesis 2:1-3)?
That makes sense except for one detail. The 4th commandment is a ceremonial law.
Yet there was no observance of it. It was not a sign of the covenant. Why? Because its not a particular day its a day beyond time and creation.
Thank you, "God hates sin", as transgression of the 4th commandment (Exodus 20:8-11) is death:God hates sin, as these passages show. ...
You lied and exaggerated again (it's like you can't help yourself, Romans 8:7) about what I stated and demonstrated. I said no such thing. I said: "Jesus was in full compliance with the statments in the OT ..."The trouble is, all along the claim in this thread has been that God's commands regarding Sabbath are forever. And now, you tell me that what God originally said about the Sabbath is not valid because Jesus demonstrated something different...
Jesus Himself obeyed all laws, unless you would like to now say that Jesus broke the laws?It is because you are willingly blind and deaf, choosing not to see, nor hear.
Yes, as Jesus demonstrated:
John 5:8 Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.
John 5:9 And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the sabbath.
You read the OT as the Pharisees did, in eisigesis. Blind leaders of the blind, and as such you will fall into the the deep ditch, that harlot of Revelation 17 (Proverbs 23:27).
Jesus was in full compliance with the statments in the OT, while the pharisees, scribes and people such as yourself have all kinds of religious traditions and eisigesis which make of none effect the commands of God.
it is not an either or thing. The sabbath rest is both a moral obligation and a ceremonial law. That's why the Apostles could break bread on the first day of the week and fulfill their Sabbath obligation. After all they couldn't go to the synagogue forever.Eloy none of the 10 Commandments are ceremonial laws. All the 10 Commandments are Moral laws. That is they are the standard of right and wrong, good and evil, sin and righteousness. The 10 Commandments are your duty to God and your fellow man.
Webster's Unabridged Dictionary, 1828 - Moral
MOR'AL, a. [L. moralis, from mos, moris, manner.]
1. Relating to the practice, manners or conduct of men as social beings in relation to each other, and with reference to right and wrong. The word moral is applicable to actions that are good or evil, virtuous or vicious, and has reference to the law of God as the standard by which their character is to be determined. 2. Subject to the moral law and capable of moral actions; bound to perform social duties; as a moral agent or being. 4. Conformed to rules of right, or to the divine law respecting social duties; virtuous; just; as when we say, a particular action is not moral. 5. Conformed to law and right in exterior deportment; as, he leads a good moral life. 6. Reasoning or instructing with regard to vice and virtue. While thou, a moral fool, sitt'st still and cri'st. 7. In general, moral denotes something which respects the conduct of men and their relations as social beings whose actions have a bearing on each others's rights and happiness, and are therefore right or wrong, virtuous or vicious; as moral character; moral views; moral knowledge; moral sentiments; moral maxims; moral approbation; moral doubts; moral justice; moral virtue; moral obligations, &c. Or moral denotes something which respects the intellectual powers of man, as distinct form his physical powers.
God's 4th Commandment says...
EXODUS 20:8-11 [8], Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. [9], Six days shall you labor, and do all your work: [10], But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD your God: in it you shall not do any work, you, nor your son, nor your daughter, your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger that is within your gates: [11], For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: why the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
The definition of a ceremonial law is..
CEREMONIAL, a. [See Ceremony.]
1. Relating to ceremony, or external rite; ritual; according to the forms of established rites; as ceremonial exactness. It is particularly applied to the forms and rites of the Jewish religion; as the ceremonial law or worship, as distinguished from the moral and judicial law.
2. Formal; observant of old forms; exact; precise in manners.
[In this sense, ceremonious is now used.]
Ceremonial laws are those linked to the MOSAIC BOOK of the COVENANT for remission of sin and include things like the Sanctuary laws for remission of sin; sin offerings and animal sacrifices and the laws retaining to the leviitical priesthood.
Hope this is helpful.
Again, show me where Jeremiah 17:21 says: "... don't even carry a pencil from one room to the next on Sabbath ..."...You can't blame this one on the pharisee's adding it, when it is written in the scripture. Jeremiah 17:21
You did not demonstrate the point, but simply agreed with the Pharisees, in their man-made eisigesis and vain tradition, and thus accuse the real sabbath-keepers (as Jesus was, and as they also did).So, you don't even carry a pencil from one room to the next on Sabbath? You don't travel anywhere in your car? I'm not totally ignorant about this stuff. I grew up in a family that sort of kept Sunday as Sabbath. We did not work, unless absolutely necessary, but we did drive to church and food was cooked, etc.
But, when I really starting studying the Bible for myself, I find a lot of denominations are trying to mix old testament laws with the new covenant, and there is a lot of distorting of scriptures going on to do that.
I said "all" and meant "all", since that is what scripture says, contrary to your own position."Christ Jesus gives strength to overcome all sin. Yes or no?"
Oh, I'm sorry, when you said "all" I assumed you meant "all." Did you actually mean something else?
No, the command is obeyed in anti-type, but since the veil is still upon you, you read it as you do and obey neither.This is some convoluted reasoning to get around God's Sabbath command.
Jesuit nonsense.it is not an either or thing. The sabbath rest is both a moral obligation and a ceremonial law. That's why the Apostles could break bread on the first day of the week and fulfill their Sabbath obligation. After all they couldn't go to the synagogue forever.
Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. - Galatians 5:22-23
Holy Spirit leads one into all truth:Freedom from sin through the work of the Holy Spirit. Not our work. Not from our own efforts at trying to be good or to do good (or observe a sabbath, get circumcised, or any other law.)
Proverbs 28:9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.Pray that the Holy Spirit opens your eyes so you can see....
I was not always a sabbath-keeper. I was not indoctrinated. The Holy Ghost Himself instructed me through prayerful study in the word of God, after I called upon the name of the Lord to be saved.... it is what you do regularly yourself through the indoctrination you have been taught...
I was not always a sabbath-keeper. I was not indoctrinated. The Holy Ghost Himself instructed me through prayerful study in the word of God, after I called upon the name of the Lord to be saved.
The verse says you can't carry a burden, Jesus says you can. I'm not appealing to the talmud, but only to the Bible. You don't see a change there?Again, show me where Jeremiah 17:21 says: "... don't even carry a pencil from one room to the next on Sabbath ..."
You did not demonstrate the point, but simply agreed with the Pharisees, in their man-made eisigesis and vain tradition, and thus accuse the real sabbath-keepers (as Jesus was, and as they also did).
You will never find evidence for such a claim as you made, except as by like example in the Babylonian Talmud, and other such things.
Right here, you devil (John 6:70):Where is your fruit of the Spirit?
22 By contrast, the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, generosity, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, and self-control. There is no law against such things. - Galatians 5:22-23
Show me in Jeremiah where "a pencil" is "a burden". I'll wait.The verse says you can't carry a burden...
Right here, you devil (John 6:70):
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.
Where is yours?
James 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
James 2:18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.
I said "all" and meant "all", since that is what scripture says, contrary to your own position.
1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
But you still are unwilling to understand even this, in connection with what I said.
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