THE LORD'S DAY IS THE SABBATH DAY NOT SUNDAY!

[W2L]

Hello W2L, then prove it from scripture. Simply speaking your own words over God's WORD only shows you have no scripture to share for what you believe. This is said with all respect and only posted as a help to you my friend.

All the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT were all a part of UNFINISHED WORK (prophecies) which all pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation (Deuteronomy 31:9; 24-26; Exodus 24:3-4; 7; Colossians 2:14-17; Deuteronomy 29:21)

Where as God's LAW (10 Commandments) are the ETERNAL LAWS of GOD spoken by GOD and written by GOD'S own finger on two tables of stone. God's SABBATH is the 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments written on stone that give us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is if broken (Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Exodus 20:8-11)

Some questions you will need to answer that you have ignored...

How can God's 4th Commandment be a SHADOW law...

1. If it is not a part of God's plan of salvation and it was created as part of the FINISHED WORK of CREATION BEFORE SIN entered the World, when mankind was in perfect harmony with God and because there was no sin there was no plan of salvation (Genesis 2:1-3)?

2. God says the Sabbath is an EVERLASTING COVENANT (Exodus 31:16) ?

3 It was Spoken by God and written by God's own finger as part of the 10 Commandments on Stone?

4. The 10 Commandments give us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is?

5. The 10 Commandments are the standard in the Judgment (James 2:8-12; Romans 2:12-13)

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

I have already provided scripture.

 

[bekkilyn]

You claim to be a "Methodist", and do not even acknowledge what the beginning of Methodism taught, even from John Wesley:

Maybe you should read ALL of Wesley before you start cherry-picking from him like you do with scripture. You might learn a few things about grace in the process.

Methodists are not obliged to leave our brains at the door when we decide to follow Jesus. Wesley often used various labels for teaching purposes, but he in no way made "works" a condition of salvation or claimed that these labels were an actual part of scripture. You might know these things if you read his sermons in more depth. Wesley would have very serious issues with SDA doctrine putting conditions on salvation.

 

[bekkilyn]

Told you this is war. They know better. God hath showed it unto them (Romans 1). They refuse Him and his word. They did not come here to find truth, nor to study. They came with agenda, with cliche, with propaganda, with eisigesis, with apriori, with slander, with libel, with accusation, with exaggeration.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. - Galatians 5:22-23

 

[LoveGodsWord]

I have already provided scripture.

Well that has no truth in it. You have not provided a single scripture and you have not answered any questions asked of you. You have simply chosen to ignore God's WORD at your own peril.

All the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT were all a part of UNFINISHED WORK (prophecies) which all pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation (Deuteronomy 31:9; 24-26; Exodus 24:3-4; 7; Colossians 2:14-17; Deuteronomy 29:21)

Where as God's LAW (10 Commandments) are the ETERNAL LAWS of GOD spoken by GOD and written by GOD'S own finger on two tables of stone. God's SABBATH is the 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments written on stone that give us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is if broken (Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Exodus 20:8-11)

Some questions you will need to answer that you have ignored...

How can God's 4th Commandment be a SHADOW law...

1. If it is not a part of God's plan of salvation and it was created as part of the FINISHED WORK of CREATION BEFORE SIN entered the World, when mankind was in perfect harmony with God and because there was no sin there was no plan of salvation (Genesis 2:1-3)?

2. God says the Sabbath is an EVERLASTING COVENANT (Exodus 31:16) ?

3 It was Spoken by God and written by God's own finger as part of the 10 Commandments on Stone?

4. The 10 Commandments give us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is?

5. The 10 Commandments are the standard in the Judgment (James 2:8-12; Romans 2:12-13)

................

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[W2L]

Well that has no truth in it. You have not provided a single scripture and you have not answered any questions asked of you. You have simply chosen to ignore God's WORD at your own peril.

All the SHADOW laws from the MOSAIC BOOK of the OLD COVENANT were all a part of UNFINISHED WORK (prophecies) which all pointed to JESUS and God's plan of salvation (Deuteronomy 31:9; 24-26; Exodus 24:3-4; 7; Colossians 2:14-17; Deuteronomy 29:21)

Where as God's LAW (10 Commandments) are the ETERNAL LAWS of GOD spoken by GOD and written by GOD'S own finger on two tables of stone. God's SABBATH is the 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments written on stone that give us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is if broken (Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Exodus 20:8-11)

Some questions you will need to answer that you have ignored...

How can God's 4th Commandment be a SHADOW law...

1. If it is not a part of God's plan of salvation and it was created as part of the FINISHED WORK of CREATION BEFORE SIN entered the World, when mankind was in perfect harmony with God and because there was no sin there was no plan of salvation (Genesis 2:1-3)?

2. God says the Sabbath is an EVERLASTING COVENANT (Exodus 31:16) ?

3 It was Spoken by God and written by God's own finger as part of the 10 Commandments on Stone?

4. The 10 Commandments give us a KNOWLEDGE of what SIN is?

5. The 10 Commandments are the standard in the Judgment (James 2:8-12; Romans 2:12-13)

................

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

At my own peril? Galatians 5 says we have been given liberty. Do you understand what that means?

 

[LoveGodsWord]

At my own peril? Galatians 5 says we have been given liberty. Do you understand what that means?

No one has been given liberty to sin.

HEBREWS 10:26-27 [26], For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,[27], But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

ROMANS 6:1-2 [1], What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?[2], God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

1 JOHN 3:9 [9] Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

................

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Being a Christian does not give you liberty to sin.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[bekkilyn]

But if ye are led by the Spirit ye are not under the law - Galatians 5:18

 

[LoveGodsWord]

But if ye are led by the Spirit ye are not under the law - Galatians 5:18

Indeed that is because you have been forgiven. But you you are continuing in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN then you are still UNDER THE LAW condemned by it as it is written...

ROMANS 3:19 [19], Now we know that what things soever the law said, it said to them who are UNDER THE LAW: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

If you commit sin you stand guilty before God condemned by it and you are "UNDER THE LAW" needing to seek Jesus for forgiveness.

1 JOHN 2:1 [1] My little children, these things write I to you, THAT YOU SIN NOT. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous

Those who walk in the Spirit do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh [sinful human nature]

ROMANS 8:13 [13] For if you live after the flesh [carnal mind sinful human nature], you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live.

Hope this helps

 

[W2L]

No one has been given liberty to sin.

HEBREWS 10:26-27 [26], For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,[27], But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

ROMANS 6:1-2 [1], What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?[2], God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

1 JOHN 3:9 [9] Whoever is born of God does not commit sin; for his seed remains in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

1 JOHN 2:3-4 [3], And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. [4], He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

................

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Being a Christian does not give you liberty to sin.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

We have been given liberty from the law, thats what Galatians 5 is saying. Isnt that true? So what should i conclude if im not under the law? I conclude that Gods Sabbath is fulfilled in Christ, otherwise i would have been given the law instead of liberty..

 

[LoveGodsWord]

We have been given liberty from the law, thats what Galatians 5 is saying. Isnt that true? So what should i conclude if im not under the law? I conclude that Gods Sabbath is fulfilled in Christ, otherwise i would have been given the law instead of liberty..

Liberty being spoken of in Galatains 5 is freedom of liberty from SIN, it's power and condemnation. It is not saying you now have freedom to SIN.

The wages of sin is death in those who reject the gift of God's dear son (Romans 6:23)

GALATAINS 5:1 [1] Stand fast therefore in the liberty with which Christ has made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

this is way Jesus says...

JOHN 8:34 [34], Jesus answered them, Truly, truly, I say to you, Whoever commits sin is the servant of sin. [36], If the Son therefore shall make you free, you shall be free indeed.

You have no scripture to support your teaching and you follow it at your peril my friend.

................

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4)
Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN. Being a Christian does not give you liberty to sin.

................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

[bekkilyn]

Indeed that is because you have been forgiven. But you you are continuing in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN then you are still UNDER THE LAW condemned by it as it is written...

ROMANS 3:19 [19], Now we know that what things soever the law said, it said to them who are UNDER THE LAW: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

If you commit sin you stand guilty before God condemned by it and you are "UNDER THE LAW" needing to seek Jesus for forgiveness.

1 JOHN 2:1 [1] My little children, these things write I to you, THAT YOU SIN NOT. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous

Those who walk in the Spirit do not fulfill the lusts of the flesh [sinful human nature]

ROMANS 8:13 [13] For if you live after the flesh [carnal mind sinful human nature], you shall die: but if you through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, you shall live.

Hope this helps

This is about people who choose to reject Jesus' sacrifice and thus refuse the Holy Spirit, as it is the Spirit that keeps a person from sin, not anything that we can do through our own effort. It is not our works, but the work of the Holy Spirit.

For by one sacrifice, he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy. - Hebrews 10:14

 

[bekkilyn]

Liberty being spoken of is freedom from sin. Not freedon to sin.

Freedom from sin through the work of the Holy Spirit. Not our work. Not from our own efforts at trying to be good or to do good (or observe a sabbath, get circumcised, or any other law.)

 

[LoveGodsWord]

This is about people who choose to reject Jesus' sacrifice and thus refuse the Holy Spirit, as it is the Spirit that keeps a person from sin, not anything that we can do through our own effort. It is not our works, but the work of the Holy Spirit.

For by one sacrifice, he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy. - Hebrews 10:14

You reject Jesus sacrifice by CONTINUING to live a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN.

HEBREWS 6:4-8 [4], For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, [5], And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, [6], If they shall fall away, to renew them again to repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. [7], For the earth which drinks in the rain that comes oft on it, and brings forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receives blessing from God: [8], But that which bears thorns and briers is rejected, and is near to cursing; whose end is to be burned.

By CONTINUING in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN you reject the GIFT of God's dear son and the wages of SIN is death (Romans 6:23)

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Freedom from sin through the work of the Holy Spirit. Not our work. Not from our own efforts at trying to be good or to do good (or observe a sabbath, get circumcised, or any other law.)

You seem to want to say things no one is talking about or saying. I am not sure why.

We also have a part to play and that is to choose to BELIEVE and FOLLOW the Word of God. If you do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD you do not walk in God's Spirit.

ROMANS 8:4 [4] That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

GALATIANS 5:16 [16] This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh

JOHN 6:63 [63] It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

1 JOHN 5:4 [4] For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

Hope this helps.

 

[bekkilyn]

You reject Jesus sacrifice by CONTINUING to live a life of KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN.

Nope, you reject Jesus' sacrifice by not saying, "thank you". Jesus has put no conditions on his gift other than acceptance and there is absolutely nothing we can do to pay him for it or earn it. If anything good ever comes from us, it is his work within us, not our work. It is his righteousness that makes us righteous.

 

[LoveGodsWord]

Nope, you reject Jesus' sacrifice by not saying, "thank you". Jesus has put no conditions on his gift other than acceptance and there is absolutely nothing we can do to pay him for it or earn it. If anything good ever comes from us, it is his work within us, not our work. It is his righteousness that makes us righteous.

Your a funny one bekkilyn, seems you have no scripture to share so now your making things up. No one has said anything you are talking about above. I am sad for you. Good bye for now I will pray for you

 

[Eloy Craft]

I said, "You don't show love to someone by refusing their priceless gift and insisting that they can only give it to you if you pay for it. That's an insult."

How is that making things up? The only condition to Jesus' free gift of grace is that we are willing to accept it. We say, "Yes, thank you, Jesus. You're awesome!"

By making observing the seventh day sabbath a condition of Jesus' gift of salvation, you are not allowing him to *give* you the gift. It's like if someone gives you a gift because they love you and want to do something nice for you, but when they hand it over to you, you pull out your wallet and give them money for it in return, and then you've just ruined the whole purpose of the gift, and probably hurt them in the process.

Yup, Jesus nor the Apostles made it a condition for receiving the Holy Spirit . Why would anyone a couple of millenia later.

 

[bekkilyn]

You seem to want to say things no one is talking about or saying. I am not sure why.

We also have a part to play and that is to choose to BELIEVE and FOLLOW the Word of God. If you do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD you do not walk in God's Spirit.

ROMANS 8:4 [4] That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

GALATIANS 5:16 [16] This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh

JOHN 6:63 [63] It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

1 JOHN 5:4 [4] For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.

Hope this helps.

The Spirit within is what allows you to follow as he is doing his (not your) work within you. But if you reject Jesus' gift and thus reject the gift of the Holy Spirit, then all that is left is sin. You are only made righteous through *his* righteousness, not your own because you have none, and not by good works or obeying laws.

 

[bekkilyn]

Your a funny one bekkilyn, seems you have no scripture to share so now your making things up. No one has said anything you are talking about above. I am sad for you. Good bye for now I will pray for you

Pray that the Holy Spirit opens your eyes so you can see. It's all right there in scripture, clear as day. When you are provided with scripture, you accuse people of reading things into it, though it is what you do regularly yourself through the indoctrination you have been taught, and when people provide to you more detailed explanations of the concepts of scripture, you accuse people of making it up, perhaps because you cannot find a good argument against it.

 

[Eloy Craft]

The GREEK WORD for ORDINANCE is the same work used in Colossians 2:14 for ORDINANCE or DECREE. GREEK meaing is G1378. δόγμα dŏgma, dog´-mah; from the base of 1380; a law that is CIVIL, CEREMONIAL or ECCLESIASTICAL:—decree, ordinance.

That makes sense except for one detail. The 4th commandment is a ceremonial law. The others are not.