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5315 nephesh, n.f. – breath, soul, life, lifeforce,

2416 chay, n.m. & a. – life

5172 nachash, v.den – to practice divination, interpret omens and signs:- [translated as] certainly divine (+5172) [2x], indeed divineth (+5172) [2x], used enchantments [2x], diligently observe [1x], enchanter [1x], enchantments [1x], learned by experience [1x], use enchantment [1x]

5173 nachash, n.[m.] – sorcery, magic, curse, spell:- enchantments [1x], enchantment [1x]

5174 nachash [Aramaic], n.m. – bronze material, “brass”:- brass [9]

How does bronze or brass relate to the nachash of Genesis ch. 3? It shines.

5175 nachash, n.m. – snake, serpent:- serpent [25], serpents [4], serpent’s [2]

(Numbers are the reference numbers attributed to them by the Strong’s Concordance Hebrew Dictionary.

Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living [chay] soul [nephesh].

Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent [nachash] was more subtil than any beast [chay] of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

So, I believe it is a mistake to assume that Satan was speaking through an actual snake. He is most likely referred to as a serpent and a dragon because his appearance is somewhat reptilian in nature.


The following are all the verses in which the word nachash is translated as enchantment, divination, etc.

Genesis 30:27 And Laban said unto him, I pray thee, if I have found favour in thine eyes, tarry: for I have learned by experience [nachash] that the LORD hath blessed me for thy sake.

Genesis 44:5 Is not this it in which my lord drinketh, and whereby indeed he divineth [nachash nachash]? ye have done evil in so doing.

Genesis 44:15 And Joseph said unto them, What deed is this that ye have done? wot ye not that such a man as I can certainly [nachash] divine [nachash]?

Leviticus 19:26 Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment [nachash], nor observe times.

Numbers 23:23 Surely there is no enchantment [nachash] against Jacob, neither is there any divination against Israel: according to this time it shall be said of Jacob and of Israel, What hath God wrought!

Numbers 24:1 And when Balaam saw that it pleased the LORD to bless Israel, he went not, as at other times, to seek for enchantments [nachash], but he set his face toward the wilderness.

Deuteronomy 18:10 There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter [nachash], or a witch,


1 Kings 20:33 Now the men did diligently observe [nachash] whether any thing would come from him, and did hastily catch it: and they said, Thy brother Ben-hadad. Then he said, Go ye, bring him. Then Ben-hadad came forth to him; and he caused him to come up into the chariot.

2 Kings 17:17 And they caused their sons and their daughters to pass through the fire, and used divination and enchantments [nachash], and sold themselves to do evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.

2 Kings 21:6 And he made his son pass through the fire, and observed times, and used enchantments [nachash], and dealt with familiar spirits and wizards: he wrought much wickedness in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.

2 Chronicles 33:6 And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments [nachash], and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.
 
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Lifespan is 70 years, Biblically:

Psa 90:10The length of our days is seventy years-- or eighty, if we have the strength; yet their span is but trouble and sorrow, for they quickly pass, and we fly away.

The 120 years that God spoke of in Genesis 6 refers to fallen flesh:

Genesis 6:3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.


God counts the years in Jubilees or 50's:


Lev 25:8And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.
9Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.
10And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.
11A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed. 12For it is the jubile; it shall be holy unto you: ye shall eat the increase thereof out of the field.


120 x 50 = 6000

Six days of work which is 120 Jubilees, followed by a day of rest, the Sabbath, the millenium, during which the glorified church reigns alongside the glorified Christ.

This why the church is removed and glorified at the last trumpet (Jubilee) before the Day of the Lord.

thank you :) for all that ... I'll mull it over

some cross references for Genesis 6:3 from my KJV

Psalm 78:39
being punished, Israel returns to God

For he remembered that they were but flesh; a wind passeth away, and cometh not again.

Galatians 5:16
walking in the Spirit

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

1 Peter 3:19
suffering and reward

By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

I totally get that this is about 'the Holy Spirit striving in the senses of judging or executing judgement on mankind for it's sinfulness and the spirit that God put in humans would not always abide; i.e. mankind was doomed to death' (from KJV The Ryrie study bible) it gives a cross reference of

1 Peter 3:20

Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of NOAH, while the ark was preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

So, yes you're correct ... it is speaking to the nature of the flesh and it's conflict with the Holy Spirit

So ... your verse ... my first fleshly thought was ... so how do you explain the many people who live well over 70 years ... :D I've been working hard to leave my flesh out of things so I'm going to try (hopefull, successfully :)) to answer with the help of the Holy Spirit.

your verse
Psalm 90:10 KJV version

The days of our years are threescore years and ten: and if by reason and strength they be fourscore years yet is their strength labor and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

threescore and ten ... agreed 70 - 80

my understanding of this verse ... extension of years is a mixed blessing ... I have no understanding that this is the final answer on the life span of man ..

cross reference verses

3 Kings 19:35
Isaiah's prophecy and Judah's deliverance

Ecclesiastes 12:2-7
vanity and fear of God

Jeremiah 20:18
Jeremiah's lament

Psalm 78:39
being punished, Israel's return to God

Job 20:8
Zophar speaks of the wicked

My point with these verses is not to say they unsupport your view of 70 years .... it's to say they don't support your view of 70 any more than the verse I gave supports 120 years ... it would seem to me if Psalm 90:10 was the final decision of man's life span at least one of the cross references would have backed it up ... and they don't ... and neither do mine back up the 120 years.

I didn't offer the verse as "proof". Perhaps, I should have made that more clear :sorry:.

At the same time the whole thing with the jubilees as the way to measure the lifespan of man ... well, that's a new one to me ... but I will look at it. ... however I can't, reading the verses you offered on the jubilee counting and knowing what I know of the jubileees (not a huge amount ... but a fair amount) ... I can't by any stretch at this time see a connection to those and man's life span. If that were the case you could take the verse about our time and God's not the same ... His being a day for our thousand years and decide 70 + 10 = 80,000 ... I don't mean to be disrespectful ... I just don't get how you applied that.

I acknowledge fully that I can not possibly know why God does anything ... but I can see where He might decide if He continued to let man live long life spans they might corrupt themselves in that amount of time to no return ... especially in the context of the not always walking in the Spirit, but in the flesh ...

it's my mind that if I can conceive of it ... then it's a possibility because God certainly can conceive it, as well, and way beyond ...

maybe it's time to go test that 120 year thing and see if I can find anyone who lived a lifespan longer than that in the bible after that time or some other verses on life span. I keep thinking there's another verse about it (120), but I can't place it ... and it's been ages ago and many piles of notes, so who knows where those notes are ^_^

I'll do some homework before I come back ... thanks for making a moment for me :) ...













so ... how do you see a generation
 
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The ark is my favorite study:clap: I wanna know more about how it applies, you know?

He is flesh, man is flesh, covenantally I wonder if "ye are no more in the flesh but in the Spirit if the Spirit of Christ be in you".

Theres something in the flesh part as I see Christ as the Ark which KEPT which THOU BRAKEST pertaining to the second set of stones which were in accord with the first, the Ark was to also GO ahead of them into the Jordan... whereas "BEHOLD, the Lamb of God" (fulfilling all righteousness) whereas Jesus said DESTROY this temple and I will RAISE it UP and where is it in revelation but in heaven (raised up) and seen in the temple in heaven was the ARK of HIS testament) the death of the testor shown in Jesus Christ, which would make perfect sense of how he abolished the law contained in the ordinces IN HIS FLESH = TEMPLE of God (being destroyed) and RAISED UP so the flesh of Jesus Christ and the ark and how 120 fits in really interests me as there are so many connections its hard to write down, but these things are so interesting to me. If you find anything further please clue me in on it ok li'? :thumbsup:

Just because its also interesting (covenantly) a seventy years is determined as it pertains to transgressions which are intricately entwined with the old man (our old man was crucified with Christ) and how Adam was 930 years old and how added together in accord with that speaks in accord with "a reign" and that a reign of death wherein again Moses and Adam are specifically named, and Christ who come in the volume of the book, fulfiller of the things therein and who lives a thousand years twice told in the similtude must somehow fit together in a really kool way, all things considered ofcourse. Not always easy to see when you give a thing a first glance as you would the paper with your morning coffee (so to speak) ^_^

I find these things utterly fascinatin' myself, bless you lil' :thumbsup:



That's cool, Fire ... fascinating! Oh, me too! (about the ark) :) ... but then everything in the Word fascinates me ... I think my family wonders if I'll ever come up for air ^_^

I have a study somehwere ... :sigh: I need to get organized ... anyway it shows Jesus as our Ark now ... and that makes total sense to me ... He says worship Him in the Spirit ... and flesh won't go to heaven ... so He's the only Spiritual Ark I can think of. My understanding of 'rightly dividing the Word' isn't 'properly dissecting' it (although that's important) but it's dividing the flesh teaching from the spiritual teaching.

something else that keeps jumping in my mind through this last part of this thread is the generations ... I'm trying to remember ... it seems there are 3 different time spans for a generation ... yes, one is 70 ... but I think (don't quote me on this) one is 30? and one 120 ... one of the generations that comes to mind is the generation following the final planting of the fig tree (Israel) is 70 years ... but it's been so long I'd have to check to verify any of that but the fig tree generation ...

and you keep me filled in, as well :) ... I LOVE this thread ... thank you, John ... I've got to get better at this ... by the time I get my posts in a thoughtful way to post ... ^_^ you guys are moving on ^_^
 
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5174 nachash [Aramaic], n.m. – bronze material, “brass”:- brass [9]

How does bronze or brass relate to the nachash of Genesis ch. 3? It shines

I forgot to explain the significance of this, as in why it would be true.

Isaiah 14:12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer [helel], son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

helel, n.m. - shining one:- Lucifer [1x] (Strong's Concordance Hebrew Dictionary reference # 1966)
 
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... I LOVE this thread ... thank you, John ... I've got to get better at this ... by the time I get my posts in a thoughtful way to post ... ^_^ you guys are moving on ^_^

You're welcome, lilmiss. I'm glad you feel inspired to delve more deeply into the word.
 
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I also have studied and considered if Eve did in fact have sex with the devil, but did Adam also? :confused:



Trees are often used as metaphors in the Bible for Places and People. It is possible that man created the Apple eating Eve, because it sounded better, then Even had sex with the devil.

Either way, the message is the same, they disobeyed God and were seduced by Satan, and their sin lead tho death for all.

:wave: hi, Kitty

some good things in this post ...

more food for thought ... about the apple ... it's interesting to me that they ate an 'apple' but used fig leaves to cover themselves ... I'm not sure but I don't know of any reference to apples and figs in the same grove ... and if it wasn't about sex, why would they suddenly feel the need to cover their sexual areas ... why didn't they cover their mouths with the 'apple' leaves ... and why wouldn't we have the kind of teachings telling us how to distinguish between the two kinds of apples ... just wonderings ...

at the very least we know for sure there was fig trees in the garden ... but no mention of apples, apple leaves, or apple trees ... not that they weren't there ... they just weren't mentioned

about the fig leaves ... one of the commands Jesus gave during His time walking in the flesh is Mark 13:28.

Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When her branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near.

My dad pointed out to me one day that Jesus says, 'now learn' ... that He doesn't say when you have time, or if you want, etc. He says now learn.

the study of fig trees is fascinating from the spiritual aspect and the trees themselves ...

anyway ... He never said learn the parable of the apple tree :D

:) all that to say ... I agree with what you said about the apple ...

and you're wholly right in being seduced by the enemy ... a most important lesson of the Adam and Eve journey ...

:bow: the Lord's Word is so amazing ... the more layers you uncover ... the more layered it gets ... like if you ever so slightly turn the kalidescope it changes the picture completely ..


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lilmiss

I just looked this up as an afterthought

In Genesis 3:6

... she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her: and he did eat.


fruit in the Strong's

6529: fruit (literally or figuratively) from 6509 (bear, bring forth) bough, ([first-]) fruit ([full]), reward

it sure looks possible that it's talking about the fruit of the action ... and maybe not a fruit like apple or fig ...

and I wanted to ask a question ... did you mean did Adam sleep with the devil? if so, I'd be interested to know what gave you that train of thought ... I can't see that in the verses and it never occured to me and I'm always curious :)
 
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That's cool, Fire ... fascinating! Oh, me too! (about the ark) :) ... but then everything in the Word fascinates me ... I think my family wonders if I'll ever come up for air ^_^

I have a study somehwere ... :sigh: I need to get organized ... anyway it shows Jesus as our Ark now ... and that makes total sense to me ... He says worship Him in the Spirit ... and flesh won't go to heaven ... so He's the only Spiritual Ark I can think of. My understanding of 'rightly dividing the Word' isn't 'properly dissecting' it (although that's important) but it's dividing the flesh teaching from the spiritual teaching.

something else that keeps jumping in my mind through this last part of this thread is the generations ... I'm trying to remember ... it seems there are 3 different time spans for a generation ... yes, one is 70 ... but I think (don't quote me on this) one is 30? and one 120 ... one of the generations that comes to mind is the generation following the final planting of the fig tree (Israel) is 70 years ... but it's been so long I'd have to check to verify any of that but the fig tree generation ...

and you keep me filled in, as well :) ... I LOVE this thread ... thank you, John ... I've got to get better at this ... by the time I get my posts in a thoughtful way to post ... ^_^ you guys are moving on ^_^

I lost my own website I used to store alot of my favorite docs which held alot of the numbers I was looking at (spiritually speaking wise) not more after a time and date wise, but I love them when my sites supporter went out of business and I didnt check my mail ^_^ (all that time!! LOL)

Anyhoo, the number of men abouts is stated in the upper room in acts is also said to be 120 too, which is often seen before a change or and exchange or crossing over.

Well, we all obviously we know they are in there and we all (in various ways just "line em all up" and say SEE? They are in there but rarely understand anything beyond the WOW^_^ And we sit and ponder how one another sets up the numbers and either go "WOW (rarely) or I dunno dont sound right bro" or "your an idot" (the more godly response ofcourse) LOL

Who knows? God knows, and God give us wisdom cause I stink at numbers and when it says let him who has wisdom count, I know I am not of that registry ^_^

Poor John is probrobly being a good sport but thinking GET BACK on topic (sorry John)^_^ I always preferred "As the topic turns" because it always does when I pop in and fustrate folks (hides under rock)
 
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I lost my own website I used to store alot of my favorite docs which held alot of the numbers I was looking at (spiritually speaking wise) not more after a time and date wise, but I love them when my sites supporter went out of business and I didnt check my mail ^_^ (all that time!! LOL)

Anyhoo, the number of men abouts is stated in the upper room in acts is also said to be 120 too, which is often seen before a change or and exchange or crossing over.

Well, we all obviously we know they are in there and we all (in various ways just "line em all up" and say SEE? They are in there but rarely understand anything beyond the WOW^_^ And we sit and ponder how one another sets up the numbers and either go "WOW (rarely) or I dunno dont sound right bro" or "your an idot" (the more godly response ofcourse) LOL

Who knows? God knows, and God give us wisdom cause I stink at numbers and when it says let him who has wisdom count, I know I am not of that registry ^_^

Poor John is probrobly being a good sport but thinking GET BACK on topic (sorry John)^_^ I always preferred "As the topic turns" because it always does when I pop in and fustrate folks (hides under rock)

:blush: I thought of that, too ... that's what I mean about keeping up for me ... I'm still back there working on 'yes, it is possible' (op) ... my apologies, John ... I'll sit back for a spell and try to keep up
 
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thank you :) for all that ... I'll mull it over

some cross references for Genesis 6:3 from my KJV

Psalm 78:39
being punished, Israel returns to God

For he remembered that they were but flesh; a wind passeth away, and cometh not again.

Galatians 5:16
walking in the Spirit

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lusts of the flesh.

1 Peter 3:19
suffering and reward

By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

I totally get that this is about 'the Holy Spirit striving in the senses of judging or executing judgement on mankind for it's sinfulness and the spirit that God put in humans would not always abide; i.e. mankind was doomed to death' (from KJV The Ryrie study bible) it gives a cross reference of

1 Peter 3:20

Which sometime were disobedient, when once the long-suffering of God waited in the days of NOAH, while the ark was preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

So, yes you're correct ... it is speaking to the nature of the flesh and it's conflict with the Holy Spirit

So ... your verse ... my first fleshly thought was ... so how do you explain the many people who live well over 70 years ... :D I've been working hard to leave my flesh out of things so I'm going to try (hopefull, successfully :)) to answer with the help of the Holy Spirit.

your verse
Psalm 90:10 KJV version

The days of our years are threescore years and ten: and if by reason and strength they be fourscore years yet is their strength labor and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

threescore and ten ... agreed 70 - 80

my understanding of this verse ... extension of years is a mixed blessing ... I have no understanding that this is the final answer on the life span of man ..

cross reference verses

3 Kings 19:35
Isaiah's prophecy and Judah's deliverance

Ecclesiastes 12:2-7
vanity and fear of God

Jeremiah 20:18
Jeremiah's lament

Psalm 78:39
being punished, Israel's return to God

Job 20:8
Zophar speaks of the wicked

My point with these verses is not to say they unsupport your view of 70 years .... it's to say they don't support your view of 70 any more than the verse I gave supports 120 years ... it would seem to me if Psalm 90:10 was the final decision of man's life span at least one of the cross references would have backed it up ... and they don't ... and neither do mine back up the 120 years.

I didn't offer the verse as "proof". Perhaps, I should have made that more clear :sorry:.

At the same time the whole thing with the jubilees as the way to measure the lifespan of man ... well, that's a new one to me ... but I will look at it. ... however I can't, reading the verses you offered on the jubilee counting and knowing what I know of the jubileees (not a huge amount ... but a fair amount) ... I can't by any stretch at this time see a connection to those and man's life span. If that were the case you could take the verse about our time and God's not the same ... His being a day for our thousand years and decide 70 + 10 = 80,000 ... I don't mean to be disrespectful ... I just don't get how you applied that.

I acknowledge fully that I can not possibly know why God does anything ... but I can see where He might decide if He continued to let man live long life spans they might corrupt themselves in that amount of time to no return ... especially in the context of the not always walking in the Spirit, but in the flesh ...

it's my mind that if I can conceive of it ... then it's a possibility because God certainly can conceive it, as well, and way beyond ...

maybe it's time to go test that 120 year thing and see if I can find anyone who lived a lifespan longer than that in the bible after that time or some other verses on life span. I keep thinking there's another verse about it (120), but I can't place it ... and it's been ages ago and many piles of notes, so who knows where those notes are ^_^

I'll do some homework before I come back ... thanks for making a moment for me :) ...













so ... how do you see a generation

oh, no, please don't misunderstand me.

The Jubilees (50's) are how God counts time. The 120 years from Genesis 6 involves fallen flesh. 120 x 50 = 6000 years. (work 6 days, rest on 7th)

So, God was not proclaiming a human life span in Genesis 6 but a span of time for fallen mankind (6000 years).

Other scripture notes what a human lifespan is. (70-80 years)

It is at the last Jubilee (which means trumpet, therefore "last trumpet) that the church is changed to glorified form. Therefore, it is on the Day of Atonement of the year 6000 (or is it 6001) that the church is given glorified bodies and caught up to the throne of God, before the Day of the Lord/Day of Wrath/Millenium.
 
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I also have studied and considered if Eve did in fact have sex with the devil, but did Adam also? :confused:



Trees are often used as metaphors in the Bible for Places and People. It is possible that man created the Apple eating Eve, because it sounded better, then Even had sex with the devil.

Either way, the message is the same, they disobeyed God and were seduced by Satan, and their sin lead tho death for all.

It wasn't easy for me to accept at first, but the more I studied, the more clear it became.
 
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more food for thought ... about the apple ... it's interesting to me that they ate an 'apple' but used fig leaves to cover themselves ... I'm not sure but I don't know of any reference to apples and figs in the same grove ... and if it wasn't about sex, why would they suddenly feel the need to cover their sexual areas ... why didn't they cover their mouths with the 'apple' leaves ... and why wouldn't we have the kind of teachings telling us how to distinguish between the two kinds of apples ... just wonderings ...

That's a good point, lilmiss.

Genesis 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Also, the curse on Eve had to do with the result of a sexual union.

Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

You're right, of course. The apple is an absolute invention. Same as the idea that Satan rules over hell. Hell is a prison for demons and fallen angels as well as humans. The bible provides no evidence that demonic spirits or fallen angels have anything to do with tormenting lost souls. Just as it never states that fallen angels are demons. I believe demons are the spirits of the Nephilim, half-angel, half-human.
 
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Poor John is probrobly being a good sport but thinking GET BACK on topic (sorry John)^_^ I always preferred "As the topic turns" because it always does when I pop in and fustrate folks (hides under rock)

lol. Feel free to post about whatever you like. :)
 
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:wave: Just dropping by to let you know I'm still reading ... Zeke, John, Fire ... those of you adding to the Truth of the are doing plenty well without my 2 cents :) ...

haven't felt the need to add anything until now ... and I'm not even sure if what I'm about to add changes anything or applies but I seem to feel the need so I'm going with it. (please don't take that to mean I felt inspired by the Lord ... it may be, but I don't know that)

I think the reason this verse keeps coming to me when I read your posts is because mostly ... 120 years and the age of men thing ...

Genesis 6:3
wickedness of mankind

And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years.

My understanding on that verse is that the Lord shortened the length of a man lifetime to no more than 120 years becuase of all the evil doings of mankind.

So logically Noah and those older couldn't be applied there ... I was taught through an extensive few hours that since the days of Noah no one born has been older than 120 years ... now, I haven't studied out whether or not there has been ... at the time everything I did check out in the study was true andaccurate and I took this part to be so until I knew for sure or different. It does explain the difference in lengths of ages. And it would seem equally logical to me that any of the other 'flesh' on the ark might have been passed that 120 years as well ...

like I said, not sure if it even applies ... just felt the 'need' to post it

at any rate ... this is a fun thread to follow ... you don't often run into others who believe alng these lines

have a wonderful afternoon ... and thanks for the cool things I learned here to add to my understanding ... :)
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there are some biblical examples of folks that lived longer than 120, after the flood...
here are a few examples

Pegleg (239)
Reu (239)
Serug (230)
Terah (205)
Salah (438 i think)
Abraham (175)
Eber (464)
Ishmael (137)
Isaac (180)
Jacob (147)
Levi (137)

 
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That's a good point, lilmiss.

Genesis 3:7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Also, the curse on Eve had to do with the result of a sexual union.

Genesis 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

You're right, of course. The apple is an absolute invention. Same as the idea that Satan rules over hell. Hell is a prison for demons and fallen angels as well as humans. The bible provides no evidence that demonic spirits or fallen angels have anything to do with tormenting lost souls. Just as it never states that fallen angels are demons. I believe demons are the spirits of the Nephilim, half-angel, half-human.
me too!


and check this out...


2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

the next time "touch" is used, is a specific sexual implication...

touch is a euphemism in Gen3 and Gen20,


6And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.

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a primitive root; properly, to touch, i.e. lay the hand upon (for any purpose; euphem., to lie with a woman); by implication, to reach (figuratively, to arrive, acquire); violently, to strike (punish, defeat, destroy, etc.):--beat, (X be able to) bring (down), cast, come (nigh), draw near (nigh), get up, happen, join, near, plague, reach (up), smite, strike, touch.
 
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me too!


and check this out...


2And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

the next time "touch" is used, is a specific sexual implication...

touch is a euphemism in Gen3 and Gen20,


6And God said unto him in a dream, Yea, I know that thou didst this in the integrity of thy heart; for I also withheld thee from sinning against me: therefore suffered I thee not to touch her.

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naga`
naw-gah'
a primitive root; properly, to touch, i.e. lay the hand upon (for any purpose; euphem., to lie with a woman); by implication, to reach (figuratively, to arrive, acquire); violently, to strike (punish, defeat, destroy, etc.):--beat, (X be able to) bring (down), cast, come (nigh), draw near (nigh), get up, happen, join, near, plague, reach (up), smite, strike, touch.

I don't disagree with you, but which version of the Strong's Concordance are you using? Mine is a newer printing (2001), and doesn't contain the part about the euphemism for to "to lie with a woman".
 
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Hello

there are some biblical examples of folks that lived longer than 120, after the flood...
here are a few examples

Pegleg (239)
Reu (239)
Serug (230)
Terah (205)
Salah (438 i think)
Abraham (175)
Eber (464)
Ishmael (137)
Isaac (180)
Jacob (147)
Levi (137)

^_^ I went looking, too.

The list is pretty much the one I had ... a couple others but not important ... some things I found out a long the way looking for them ... I love this kind of thing! Some of this I already knew .. but :clap: a few new things.

On this list:

Peleg, Reu, Serug, Terah, Salah, and Eber are of the lineage of Mary (Luke 3:23-38) ... an interesting thing about the seedline of Mary. If you look at the seedline of Joseph back, you'll note so and so begat so and so. If you look at the seedline of Mary back, you'll notice no begats ... direct descendants is my understanding ... Joseph's are in-laws ... Mary's is the lineage of the priesthood.

Isaac, Jacob and Levi are of the lineage of Joseph who was married to Mary (Matthew 1:1-17) ... this lineage doesn't go back to Noah ... it goes as far back as Abraham (who is of the lineage of Noah) ... but goes no further back ... Joseph is of the lineage of kings

hence ... the order of Melchizedek ... Lord of lords ... and King of kings

Ishmael ... this one is interesting because he's not in either lineage ... yet he's there after the flood :) obviously a line not of Jesus did 'break on through to the otherside' :)D a little Doors there :sorry: couldn't help it)

if we look at what's missing with Ishmael that isn't with the others, is that he wasn't the son of promise is about all I can come up with without going to a whole new level

So the 120 thing doesn't exactly pan out ... but I still have this nagging feeling I'm missing something there ... seriously need to find my notes

thanks, guys, for the heads up on the apple thing ... that's driven me nuts for years! being a woman it's pretty hard to bite your tongue that long ^_^ and I've never gotten heard on that before ... God is good!

to the 'Adam sleeping with the devil' ... I'm just dumbfounded! It seriously never crossed my mind. I don't discount anyone's thoughts or understandings unless they're just blatantly wrong or whatever ... on that note would one of you give me some verses or something how you put that together ... also, as a woman it's equally as hard to not know what others know that you don't know but know they know ^_^ If you don't want to put it here could you pm me? I'd totally appreciate it
 
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thanks, guys, for the heads up on the apple thing ... that's driven me nuts for years! being a woman it's pretty hard to bite your tongue that long ^_^ and I've never gotten heard on that before ... God is good!

to the 'Adam sleeping with the devil' ... I'm just dumbfounded! It seriously never crossed my mind. I don't discount anyone's thoughts or understandings unless they're just blatantly wrong or whatever ... on that note would one of you give me some verses or something how you put that together ... also, as a woman it's equally as hard to not know what others know that you don't know but know they know ^_^ If you don't want to put it here could you pm me? I'd totally appreciate it

You're welcome, lilmiss.

And as for Adam having intercourse with the devil, he would have had to in order to be guilty of the same transgression as Eve. Adam having intercourse with Eve wouldn't have been a sin. And Satan is the most powerful of the celestial beings created by God (see Ezekiel ch. 28). I don't believe that shape-changing into a female form would have been too difficult for him to accomplish.
 
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