The line of Cain survived the Flood

[lilmissmontana]

Thanks for the support, lilmiss. I knew I would be forced to explain further

well, good luck with it ... I rarely go down that road ... but two is for witness, eh?

Sure, its just we reap more benefits though comparing spiritual things with spiritual then we might just looking at the flesh of things dont you think?

(Oh by the way Hi lil)

I gotta bad back acting up and Im sorta hunting and pecking laying down in a very awkward position here so forgive me for not going at length on anything momentarily. Ill sit back on this one and just read yas

that's cool ... I'm not feeling real well and was thinking of calling it, too ... I'll check back tomorrow ... may the Lord lay His healing hand on your back ... in Jesus name ... Amen.

John ... have a blessed evening

 

[John Christian V]

Thanks. You too, lilmiss. And good night to you as well, Fire.

 

[zeke37]

i am one of those John...




the earth in question may have been localized...meaning the land...the adamic valley..

or

a few of Cain's offspring, the kenites, could have been counted as flesh, as the animals were,
and sailed on the ark


either way, scripture uis clear that they exist,
and they even mingle with the Jews and get "counted" as Jews (scribes) in 1Chr2:55

I think that connects with the "scribes" of Christ's day
I think that is who the "vagabon jews" are
I think that is what Christ meant by "ye are of your father the devil"
I think they are who is meant by "generation of vipers"

 

[zeke37]

Cain, Qayin

Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain [Qayin], and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.

Genesis 15:18-21
18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
19 The Kenites [Qayini], and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girga[wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]es, and the Jebusites.

Numbers 24:22 Nevertheless the Kenite [Qayin] shall be wasted, until Asshur shall carry thee away captive.

Judges 1:16 And the children of the Kenite [Qayini], Moses' father in law, went up out of the city of palm trees with the children of Judah into the wilderness of Judah, which lieth in the south of Arad; and they went and dwelt among the people.

Judges 4:11 Now Heber the Kenite [Qayini], which was of the children of Hobab the father in law of Moses, had severed himself from the Kenites [Qayin], and pitched his tent unto the plain of Zaanaim, which is by Kedesh.

Judges 4:17 Howbeit Sisera fled away on his feet to the tent of Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite [Qayini]: for there was peace between Jabin the king of Hazor and the house of Heber the Kenite [Qayini].

Judges 5:24 Blessed above women shall Jael the wife of Heber the Kenite [Qayini] be, blessed shall she be above women in the tent.

1 Samuel 15:6 And Saul said unto the Kenites [Qayini], Go, depart, get you down from among the Amalekites, lest I destroy you with them: for ye shewed kindness to all the children of Israel, when they came up out of Egypt. So the Kenites [Qayini] departed from among the Amalekites.

1 Samuel 27:10 And Achish said, Whither have ye made a road to day? And David said, Against the south of Judah, and against the south of the Jerahmeelites, and against the south of the Kenites [Qayini].

1 Samuel 30:29 And to them which were in Rachal, and to them which were in the cities of the Jerahmeelites, and to them which were in the cities of the Kenites [Qayini],

1 Chronicles 2:55 And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites [Qayini] that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.

Could it be that the children of Cain associated themselves with the Israelites in order to draw them away from Yahweh?

I know many still believe that the Flood was global, but I do not. The Hebrew words translated as "earth" in Genesis chapters 6-10 are 'eretz and 'adamah. Usually 'eretz is used. 'adamah is only used six times. Both words can be translated as "land". In fact, that's how they are translated predominantly throughout the Old Testament. 'adamah is rendered "land" 122 times, "earth" 52 times, "ground" 43 times, etc.. 'eretz is rendered "land" 1508 times, "earth" 712 times, "ground" 98 times, etc.. And we all know, or should know, that the original meaning of "earth" in English is "soil" or "ground", not the entire world.

Note that there are some interesting phrases which occur in the Old Testament, "son of Belial, sons of Belial, children of Belial". Are these offspring of Belial the result of Israelites intermarrying with Canaanites, or even the descendants of Cain/Qayin?

I dont believe he was after the proposed thought "after the flesh' was my point although after a spiritual truth not a carnal one was I reasoning with it. I personally see the entire cross of Christ in a patern sitting there between Cain and Abel and the "setting" the apostles in the church up to Seth in a patern there, so I dont really focus too much on the flesh of it, I dont deny it foundationally I just get more out of it weaving back and forth and enjoy finding paterns beforehand speaking forward in various places.

For instance God numbers mans days before the flood, can you find whose years they apply to? Its pretty kool actually

Do your stuff workman for our God

I think God made that statement 120 years before the flood.
there are biblical examples of folks living longer than 120 years.

 

[zeke37]

I realize how outrageous the idea that Satan was the father of Cain may be to some people, so I will explain further.

Genesis 3:14-15
14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Genesis 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Genesis 2:16-17
16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

Now, Yahweh has no evil in Him, and would not desire to give His children the knowledge of evil, so the tree of the knowledge of good and evil must therefore be evil in and of itself. I assert that that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is in fact a symbol for Satan, just as the tree of life is a symbol for Christ.

Trees are often used as symbols for individuals and nations throughout Scripture.

Luke 3:9 And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: every tree therefore which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Luke 6:43-44
43 For a good tree bringeth not forth corrupt fruit; neither doth a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
44 For every tree is known by his own fruit. For of thorns men do not gather figs, nor of a bramble bush gather they grapes.

Genesis 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

Eating can be a metaphor for sexual intercourse as seen in the Song of Solomon.

Song of Solomon 2:3 As the apple tree among the trees of the wood, so is my beloved among the sons. I sat down under his shadow with great delight, and his fruit was sweet to my taste.

As Satan is a very powerful celestial being, it is reasonable to assume he could shape-change into a female when Eve brought Adam to him. If you don't believe that fallen angels can procreate with human women, read Genesis 6, then read my post here #3

Eve was declared "mother of all living" before the declaration is made that adam "knew her"

Some, however, point to the following verse, and claim it disproves the idea.

Genesis 4:1-2
1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.
2 And she again bare his brother Abel. And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground.

But it is Eve who says she had "gotten a man from the LORD". One cannot say she was the wisest and most knowledgeable of creatures. Notice that we are only told Adam knew Eve one time. Both Cain and Abel were born. Twins.

yes, continued in labour...

and if you take the punctuation and chapter breaks out,
the story becomes more clear...."And Adam knew his wife" belongs in chapter 3

Satan tricks eve and has sexual contact with her, resulting in Cain's pregnancy

then Adam knows his wife as a direct teaching fom Satan's sex with her,
and eve is again impregnated with Abel

she is impregnated by 2 different fathers at the same day...2 babies, twins of different fathers...

happens in the animal kingdom often

Also, take a look at two passages from the Old Testament which describe the same event (the same event of David taking a census of Israel, I mean).

2 Samuel 24:1 And again the anger of the LORD was kindled against Israel, and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Israel and Judah.

1 Chronicles 21:1 And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

These verses seem contradictory at first, but they actually illustrate how Yahweh was given credit for all things supernatural. For Satan can do nothing without His permission.

you may find the fact that kenites snuck in and were counted as Judah interesting..1Ch2:55

Genesis 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What is this that thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.

beguile = wholy seduce

2 Corinithians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

ya

 

[John Christian V]

i am one of those John...




the earth in question may have been localized...meaning the land...the adamic valley..

or

a few of Cain's offspring, the kenites, could have been counted as flesh, as the animals were,
and sailed on the ark


either way, scripture uis clear that they exist,
and they even mingle with the Jews and get "counted" as Jews (scribes) in 1Chr2:55

I think that connects with the "scribes" of Christ's day
I think that is who the "vagabon jews" are
I think that is what Christ meant by "ye are of your father the devil"
I think they are who is meant by "generation of vipers"

That is very possible. But I believe the Edomites are part of it as well. See my thread on COUNTERFEIT ISRAEL. And remember, the tribe of Dan is not sealed in Revelation ch. 7. They are replaced by the half-tribe of Manasseh. Could that be because the Danites are in league with the children of Cain and the Edomites?

 

[Zadok7000]

happens in the animal kingdom often

My mother and uncle are Fraternal twins. Just as an example of 2 different non-identical babies being conceived at the same time.

 

[Fireinfolding]

I think God made that statement 120 years before the flood.
there are biblical examples of folks living longer than 120 years.

I sorta see it speaking prophetically zeke even as the seed of the woman speaks prophetically (in that sense)


Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Duet 34:7 And Moses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died:


2Cr 3:7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:


For example...

In Genesis 6:2 God numbered mans days 120 (years) and this just before the flood. Herein also lies the similitude of baptism (as mentioned in 1Peter 3:21). Moses age (when he died) is also recorded at 120 years in Duet 34:7 (just prior to) the Jordan (which is also another figure of baptism) these are equal. Not only in times (in years) but in figures. In the first God stating "man is flesh" (to be destroyed). And Moses in those exact number of years (says God burried him) adding (in Duet 34:7) Theres more I am considering in this but breifly I am wondering concerning this as folks had said they cannot find anything prophetic in nature pertaining to Moses in there and we know the law and the prophets prophesied UNTIL John (again the figure of baptism is present) whereas Moses died BEFORE passing over the Jordan (even prophetically) and His age is recorded as being equal with the numbering of man whereas two are wrapped up in the ministration of death (the first man Adam, old man) and the first covenant Moses, old covenant) and this prophetically being found before the figure of baptism in Genesis where it first speaks of finding grace and in Noah (whose years far exceed the number of years designated to the one whose years would be numbered and summed up in Moses) and that by Gods own words and burried by God himself as well. Theres something in this obviously, too many coincidences is all, the more I look the more gets added to it and thats often how I can tell its not a rabbit trail.

 

[zeke37]

That is very possible. But I believe the Edomites are part of it as well. See my thread on COUNTERFEIT ISRAEL. And remember, the tribe of Dan is not sealed in Revelation ch. 7. They are replaced by the half-tribe of Manasseh. Could that be because the Danites are in league with the children of Cain and the Edomites?

you might enjoy these appendix'

The Serpent of Genesis 3. - Appendix to the Companion Bible
The Posterity of Cain. - Appendix to the Companion Bible
The Sons of God in Gen. 6:2, 4. - Appendix to the Companion Bible
The Nephilim, or Giants of Gen. 6, &c. - Appendix to the Companion Bible

 

[zeke37]

I sorta see it speaking prophetically zeke even as the seed of the woman speaks prophetically (in that sense)


Genesis 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strivewith man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

Duet 34:7 AndMoses was an hundred and twenty years old when he died:


2Cr 3:7 But ifthe ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:


For example...

In Genesis 6:2 God numbered mans days 120 (years) and this just before the flood. Herein also lies the similitude of baptism (as mentioned in 1Peter 3:21). Moses age (when he died) is also recorded at 120 years in Duet 34:7 (just prior to) the Jordan (which is also another figure of baptism) these are equal. Not only in times (in years) but in figures. In the first God stating "man is flesh" (to be destroyed). And Moses in those exact number of years (says God burried him) adding (in Duet 34:7) Theres more I am considering in this but breifly I am wondering concerning this as folks had said they cannot find anything prophetic in nature pertaining to Moses in there and we know the law and the prophets prophesied UNTIL John (again the figure of baptism is present) whereas Moses died BEFORE passing over the Jordan (even prophetically) and His age is recorded as being equal with the numbering of man whereas two are wrapped up in the ministration of death (the first man Adam, old man) and the first covenant Moses, old covenant) and this prophetically being found before the figure of baptism in Genesis where it first speaks of finding grace and in Noah (whose years far exceed the number of years designated to the one whose years would be numbered and summed up in Moses) and that by Gods own words and burried by God himself as well. Theres something in this obviously, too many coincidences is all, the more I look the more gets added to it and thats often how I can tell its not a rabbit trail.

another pssibility is that "adam" is the "man" being spoken about at age 810, and that his death was 120 years after that declaration

http://levendwater.org/companion/append24.html

 

[Swordsmanoffaith]

Mythological drivel.

Stick to scripture.

The goal and purpose of this thread is to hate Israel and deny God's plan for them, turning aside to myths and unbiblical ideology and presenting it as truth.

2Ti 4:3For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
2Ti 4:4They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.


1Ti 4:1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
...
1Ti 4:7Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives' tales; rather, train yourself to be godly.


Cain was the son of Adam and Eve, not satan and Eve. How do I know? Because God said so! End of story.

Gen 4:1Adam lay with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, "With the help of the Lord I have brought forth a man."

 

[zeke37]

I guess you did not read through this appendix then, eh?

check it out

The Posterity of Cain. - Appendix to the Companion Bible

 

[Zadok7000]

The goal and purpose of this thread is to hate Israel and deny God's plan for them

 

[Fireinfolding]

another pssibility is that "adam" is the "man" being spoken about at age 810, and that his death was 120 years after that declaration

The Hundred and Twenty Years of Genesis 6:3. - Appendix to the Companion Bible

Now that would really kool Zeke! Wow! Both of them, in times and figures could agree in one and could be (perhaps) more easily enjoined even as the two names in "Adam and Moses" are specifically named together (covenantally) and also both prior unto the figure of baptism even as the first man (now old man) and first covenant (now old covenant) are set in the same in the same figure. Wherein grace first appears.

Wow wow wow wow wow

Thanks Zeke!! Food for great thought!

 

[lilmissmontana]

Just dropping by to let you know I'm still reading ... Zeke, John, Fire ... those of you adding to the Truth of the are doing plenty well without my 2 cents ...

haven't felt the need to add anything until now ... and I'm not even sure if what I'm about to add changes anything or applies but I seem to feel the need so I'm going with it. (please don't take that to mean I felt inspired by the Lord ... it may be, but I don't know that)

I think the reason this verse keeps coming to me when I read your posts is because mostly ... 120 years and the age of men thing ...

Genesis 6:3
wickedness of mankind

And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years.

My understanding on that verse is that the Lord shortened the length of a man lifetime to no more than 120 years becuase of all the evil doings of mankind.

So logically Noah and those older couldn't be applied there ... I was taught through an extensive few hours that since the days of Noah no one born has been older than 120 years ... now, I haven't studied out whether or not there has been ... at the time everything I did check out in the study was true andaccurate and I took this part to be so until I knew for sure or different. It does explain the difference in lengths of ages. And it would seem equally logical to me that any of the other 'flesh' on the ark might have been passed that 120 years as well ...

like I said, not sure if it even applies ... just felt the 'need' to post it

at any rate ... this is a fun thread to follow ... you don't often run into others who believe alng these lines

have a wonderful afternoon ... and thanks for the cool things I learned here to add to my understanding ...

 

[John Christian V]

Mythological drivel.

Stick to scripture.

The goal and purpose of this thread is to hate Israel and deny God's plan for them, turning aside to myths and unbiblical ideology and presenting it as truth.

2Ti 4:3For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
2Ti 4:4They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.


1Ti 4:1The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.
...
1Ti 4:7Have nothing to do with godless myths and old wives' tales; rather, train yourself to be godly.


Cain was the son of Adam and Eve, not satan and Eve. How do I know? Because God said so! End of story.

Gen 4:1Adam lay with his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, "With the help of the Lord I have brought forth a man."

No, the problem is that many Christians have been taught to love a counterfeit Israel. A nation in which Christians are not even allowed to evangelize.

And mythological drivel? So, a talking snake convinced Eve to defy the commandment of Yahweh, and eating a piece of fruit from the wrong tree brought sin and death into the world? I see.

 

[kitty4038]

I also have studied and considered if Eve did in fact have sex with the devil, but did Adam also?



Trees are often used as metaphors in the Bible for Places and People. It is possible that man created the Apple eating Eve, because it sounded better, then Even had sex with the devil.

Either way, the message is the same, they disobeyed God and were seduced by Satan, and their sin lead tho death for all.

 

[Swordsmanoffaith]

Just dropping by to let you know I'm still reading ... Zeke, John, Fire ... those of you adding to the Truth of the are doing plenty well without my 2 cents ...

haven't felt the need to add anything until now ... and I'm not even sure if what I'm about to add changes anything or applies but I seem to feel the need so I'm going with it. (please don't take that to mean I felt inspired by the Lord ... it may be, but I don't know that)

I think the reason this verse keeps coming to me when I read your posts is because mostly ... 120 years and the age of men thing ...

Genesis 6:3
wickedness of mankind

And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years.

My understanding on that verse is that the Lord shortened the length of a man lifetime to no more than 120 years becuase of all the evil doings of mankind.

So logically Noah and those older couldn't be applied there ... I was taught through an extensive few hours that since the days of Noah no one born has been older than 120 years ... now, I haven't studied out whether or not there has been ... at the time everything I did check out in the study was true andaccurate and I took this part to be so until I knew for sure or different. It does explain the difference in lengths of ages. And it would seem equally logical to me that any of the other 'flesh' on the ark might have been passed that 120 years as well ...

like I said, not sure if it even applies ... just felt the 'need' to post it

at any rate ... this is a fun thread to follow ... you don't often run into others who believe alng these lines

have a wonderful afternoon ... and thanks for the cool things I learned here to add to my understanding ...

Lifespan is 70 years, Biblically:

Psa 90:10The length of our days is seventy years-- or eighty, if we have the strength; yet their span is but trouble and sorrow, for they quickly pass, and we fly away.

The 120 years that God spoke of in Genesis 6 refers to fallen flesh:

Genesis 6:3And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.


God counts the years in Jubilees or 50's:


Lev 25:8And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years.
9Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubile to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land.
10And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubile unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family.
11A jubile shall that fiftieth year be unto you: ye shall not sow, neither reap that which groweth of itself in it, nor gather the grapes in it of thy vine undressed. 12For it is the jubile; it shall be holy unto you: ye shall eat the increase thereof out of the field.


120 x 50 = 6000

Six days of work which is 120 Jubilees, followed by a day of rest, the Sabbath, the millenium, during which the glorified church reigns alongside the glorified Christ.

This why the church is removed and glorified at the last trumpet (Jubilee) before the Day of the Lord.

 

[John Christian V]

you might enjoy these appendix'

The Serpent of Genesis 3. - Appendix to the Companion Bible
The Posterity of Cain. - Appendix to the Companion Bible
The Sons of God in Gen. 6:2, 4. - Appendix to the Companion Bible
The Nephilim, or Giants of Gen. 6, &c. - Appendix to the Companion Bible

Yes, thank you for the links to those appendices, brother.

They make some points I've discovered in my own studies, as well as discussing some things I hadn't thought of before.

 

[Fireinfolding]

Just dropping by to let you know I'm still reading ... Zeke, John, Fire ... those of you adding to the Truth of the are doing plenty well without my 2 cents ...

haven't felt the need to add anything until now ... and I'm not even sure if what I'm about to add changes anything or applies but I seem to feel the need so I'm going with it. (please don't take that to mean I felt inspired by the Lord ... it may be, but I don't know that)

I think the reason this verse keeps coming to me when I read your posts is because mostly ... 120 years and the age of men thing ...

Genesis 6:3
wickedness of mankind

And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years.

My understanding on that verse is that the Lord shortened the length of a man lifetime to no more than 120 years becuase of all the evil doings of mankind.

So logically Noah and those older couldn't be applied there ... I was taught through an extensive few hours that since the days of Noah no one born has been older than 120 years ... now, I haven't studied out whether or not there has been ... at the time everything I did check out in the study was true andaccurate and I took this part to be so until I knew for sure or different. It does explain the difference in lengths of ages. And it would seem equally logical to me that any of the other 'flesh' on the ark might have been passed that 120 years as well ...

like I said, not sure if it even applies ... just felt the 'need' to post it

at any rate ... this is a fun thread to follow ... you don't often run into others who believe alng these lines

have a wonderful afternoon ... and thanks for the cool things I learned here to add to my understanding ...

The ark is my favorite study I wanna know more about how it applies, you know?

He is flesh, man is flesh, covenantally I wonder if "ye are no more in the flesh but in the Spirit if the Spirit of Christ be in you".

Theres something in the flesh part as I see Christ as the Ark which KEPT which THOU BRAKEST pertaining to the second set of stones which were in accord with the first, the Ark was to also GO ahead of them into the Jordan... whereas "BEHOLD, the Lamb of God" (fulfilling all righteousness) whereas Jesus said DESTROY this temple and I will RAISE it UP and where is it in revelation but in heaven (raised up) and seen in the temple in heaven was the ARK of HIS testament) the death of the testor shown in Jesus Christ, which would make perfect sense of how he abolished the law contained in the ordinces IN HIS FLESH = TEMPLE of God (being destroyed) and RAISED UP so the flesh of Jesus Christ and the ark and how 120 fits in really interests me as there are so many connections its hard to write down, but these things are so interesting to me. If you find anything further please clue me in on it ok li'?

Just because its also interesting (covenantly) a seventy years is determined as it pertains to transgressions which are intricately entwined with the old man (our old man was crucified with Christ) and how Adam was 930 years old and how added together in accord with that speaks in accord with "a reign" and that a reign of death wherein again Moses and Adam are specifically named, and Christ who come in the volume of the book, fulfiller of the things therein and who lives a thousand years twice told in the similtude must somehow fit together in a really kool way, all things considered ofcourse. Not always easy to see when you give a thing a first glance as you would the paper with your morning coffee (so to speak)

I find these things utterly fascinatin' myself, bless you lil'