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I've proven from Scripture what He meant. I'm never embarrassed by what Scripture says and that I believe what Scripture says.
I don't understand your question. Please re-phrase.
A car cannot be compared to what is eternal...for a car is seen and temporary in nature. However things that are not seen are eternal...Having said that if I am given who is eternal and sealed in him with the spirit of promise until the day of redemption..it doesn't seem likely im going to destroy my eternal life. However being called righteous and not living up to the standard can allow me to make a ship wreck of my faith and be worthless while im here on earth. And as all judged for my actions whether they be consequences of my behavior or punishment.
I would like to take a look at eternal life...as not only a future event but a present one....First, Jesus had yet to die when he was speaking...so were they not still under the law. I believe so.....If we continue to read the following verses. You can answer the question of why his own disciples ask ...Gee well if this is the case, who will enter. At this point Jesus replies with man its impossible...but with God all things are.....now after his resurrection we understand its by faith....that not only are we inputed righteousness..and take on this name...but we now hit the mark in Christ. This mark is eternal life..We have life through Christ by faith. So why then did the disciples asked then who will be saved?....Answer Jesus was teaching you can't reach salvation by your works to earn it or by yourself...you would reach it through him.
Eternal life is a person and not a super power or a wish granted to us by a magical genie. For he that has the Son has life and he that does not have the Son does not have life (1 John 5:12). So life is associated with abiding with a person; And we know that relationships with people can be broken off.
Point is they asked the question while Jesus was alive.....you had to keep the law.....but after his resurrection...we find the only way one could keep the spirit of the law was by faith....for if you sin you have an advocate with the father. Why the spirit and not the letter? For the things seen are temporary..and the things unseen eternal...if you learn to love then one has fullfilled all the law and the prophets.
This passage is in reference to all humans, and facing their eternal destination. While you seem to think that their destination is based on what they have earned, it's based on whether one received eternal life. Rev 20:15 proves this: And if anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
In the sense of being a child of God, per Rom 8:17a - and if children, heirs also, heirs of God
I'm certainly not fighting Jesus' words. I've explained them in the context of the whole council of God.
That is simply preposterous. Here is what Jesus said about eternal life:
Your response has no relevance to what I posted. I didn't mention John 5. And I didn't add anything. It seems you haven't bothered reading what I have posted.
That means non productive. It has nothing to do with not being saved. No one must produce works in order to be saved.
Your view fails to understand what James wrote.
What words are you referring to?
Not the words I've provided in this post.
Your judgment fails on all levels.
Just to ask, not because I disagree, but because no one else has ever thought to bring this up. Could you please cite the people you are referring to here.
Jason0047 said:
Jason0047 said:
Once again, jason has misunderstood what Jesus was saying.
Well, we get another glimpse of jason's theology. He doesn't believe that "all sin is paid for; past, present, and future". In black and white. This is just totally contrary to Scripture. It is clear that he fails to comprehend what "once for all" means in reference to Christ's sacrifice in Hebrews. It means He died for all sins. Not just some sins.
And again, he totally fails to understand the view of eternal security. There are very serious consequences to sin, but he just won't admit that is our view. Which seems dishonest to me. Why does he not believe what he's been told over and over? I guess he just loves to beat dead horses.
Stupid question. Go find a believer who is being disciplined and ask him.
jason himself has admitted that he hasn't yet achieved sinless perfection, and he has said that he is saved. That is a contradiction to his own views. He rejects "sin and still be saved", yet he still sins and he claims to be saved. His views are internally contradicted.
jason has been corrected on this point over and over, but he is either too thick to comprehend or he prefers to keep on lying about the views of others.
Perfect justice only occurs in God's system. He is perfectly just. And He judged His own Son for the sins of mankind. But jason doesn't seem to understand this very basic doctrine.
It was, on the cross. But jason does not understand that.
jason has admitted that he hasn't achieved sinless perfection yet, which means he still sins. Apparently he's more interested in getting everyone else to quit sinning before he does himself.
This is true, but jason doesn't understand how it does. When we sin, we grieve (Eph 4:30) or quench (1 Thess 5:19) the Holy Spirit. Sin breaks fellowship with God, just as the prodigal son was physically separated from his father in rebellion. Only when the son confessed his sin and repented of them by returning to his father was fellowship restored.
And he doesn't understand the meaning of "abiding" in that verse.
