First of all, how much of anyone is in any book of the bible? Inspired by God is not the same thing as God Himself writing it... if that were the case, the +/- 40 different authors of the biblical books wouldn't be as unique as they are. Meaning, it is very clear that a person's individuality is retained when they write even if inspired by God to write. Secondly, you are casting doubt on the bible by making assertions that some may or may not be inspired. I can show you time and time again where "law of Moses" or even just "Moses" is used idiomatically to depict God's law. But I don't even need to waste time on that... I just need to go here:
Exo 24:4 And Moses wrote all the words of the Lord. And he rose early in the morning, and built an altar at the foot of the mountain, and twelve pillars according to the twelve tribes of Israel.
That's it, done... the words Moses penned were the words of the Lord.
You're free to think that if you'd like as long as you recognize that there is no biblical support for that.
That’s not what He’s saying! In fact faith alone leads to works of the Spirit. They are acts of love and growth that slowly replace the rot in our life.
We alone know how far He’s taken us. The work will remain incomplete until death.
Faith alone and Love are what Doug is saying. The license to sin argument is a bad gig and a misrepresentation of Doug and Paul!
Faith, Hope and Love! Without Love, we are noting.
You are painting yourself into a atheistic corner. We THINK Moses wrote Exodus and certainly wrote much of it... but we trust that God inspired those words. I ask you, who wrote Romans or Acts or Matthew? Mere men outside the inspiration of God, or men as they were inspired by God?And who wrote Exodus?
? mel gibson (just guessing though) oh, no, it was dalton tumbro (just looked it up)And who wrote Exodus?
Oh, you mean like Jesus ?!?!God help me....when will I learn——never use sarcasm or irony to make a point on CF......NEVER exaggerate to make a point.....unreal
God help me....when will I learn——never use sarcasm or irony to make a point on CF......NEVER exaggerate to make a point.....unreal
? mel gibson (just guessing though) oh, no, it was dalton tumbro (just looked it up)
? mel gibson (just guessing though) oh, no, it was dalton tumbro (just looked it up)
No. I didn't even know mel, nor dalton, either - had to look them up.... just for the reference.....Dalton tumbro? Haha great one! I knew who he was....you won’t get much past this Jeopardy nerd ! Lol....do you know who Alan Smithee is?
Don’t you know that “no good deed” goes unpunished...
In the first chapter of Mel Gibson, it says Never Exaggerate to make a point.
Ahem... Lol... it may matter that I skimmed your post and misread it. I have corrected my lack of humor and understanding...
I ask your Forgivness per the gospel of Charlatan Heston.
No. I didn't even know mel, nor dalton, either - had to look them up.... just for the r
Look up smithee so I don’t have to type it. It is funny
You are painting yourself into a atheistic corner. We THINK Moses wrote Exodus and certainly wrote much of it... but we trust that God inspired those words. I ask you, who wrote Romans or Acts or Matthew? Mere men outside the inspiration of God, or men as they were inspired by God?
Be VERY careful as you undermine the Torah... because almost 33% of the NT is a quote or an inference taken from what we call the OT. AND... since Messiah himself said that the Scriptures (OF HIS DAY, there was no NT until 200 AD) testify of HIM... then by undermining Exodus and other OT books, you are undermining that which testifies, bears witness of.... messiah himself.
Look up smithee so I don’t have to type it. It is funny ......
this ? >>>
"Alan Smithee (also Allen Smithee) is an official pseudonym used by film directors who wish to disown a project. Coined in 1968 and used until it was formally discontinued in 2000, it was the sole pseudonym used by members of the Directors Guild of America (DGA) when a director, dissatisfied with the final product, proved ..."
If we believe honesty leads to atheism, then we should all be atheists. If we "fear" becoming atheist by chasing the truth, then we should all be atheists. From my experience chasing the truth leads to the exact opposite: a peace, a calm, not worry or doubt (unless our faith hangs on things we doubt). When you write "we trust that God inspired those words" we are in agreement and walking in the same direction: belief in the inspiration of the Bible from Genesis through to Revelation relies on trusting the process by which the bible was formulated. I believe God inspired the Bible and men by inspiration wrote what they believed to be true. Paul recognised the difference between writing from himself and writing by the Spirit. Did every author have this awareness? There is a big difference between writing down a story, or the words of Jesus, or a vision -- all of which personal opinions do not alter the message -- to what Moses did in the law. God gave Moses the authority to write some of the laws. As you agree the personality of the author is in each book, the book must then be influenced by the author to some degree. Our job is to look for God within the inspired words, not get too hung up on "Thus saith the Lord" -- a much stronger formula for revelation is "Thus did the Lord".
But it is only honesty as YOU perceive it. I placed the verse before you that said ALL of the words of the Lord were written by Moses. Now, either you accept that or you remove Exodus from your bible, which deletes Sinai and makes it so that verses like Psalms 105:8-10 are longer be trustworthy. Since what messiah did BUILDS on those (OT) things, you undermine messiah's work and place our faith in great peril.If we believe honesty leads to atheism, then we should all be atheists. If we "fear" becoming atheist by chasing the truth, then we should all be atheists. From my experience chasing the truth leads to the exact opposite: a peace, a calm, not worry or doubt (unless our faith hangs on things we doubt). When you write "we trust that God inspired those words" we are in agreement and walking in the same direction: belief in the inspiration of the Bible from Genesis through to Revelation relies on trusting the process by which the bible was formulated. I believe God inspired the Bible and men by inspiration wrote what they believed to be true. Paul recognised the difference between writing from himself and writing by the Spirit. Did every author have this awareness? There is a big difference between writing down a story, or the words of Jesus, or a vision -- all of which personal opinions do not alter the message -- to what Moses did in the law. God gave Moses the authority to write some of the laws. As you agree the personality of the author is in each book, the book must then be influenced by the author to some degree. Our job is to look for God within the inspired words, not get too hung up on "Thus saith the Lord" -- a much stronger formula for revelation is "Thus did the Lord".
Whhhaaatttt ?If we believe honesty leads to atheism, then we should all be atheists.
either you accept that or you remove Exodus from your bible
Since what messiah did BUILDS on those (OT) things, you undermine messiah's work and place our faith in great peril.
when Paul said, "all scripture is given by the inspiration of God and can be used for doctrine, reproof, correct, and instruction in righteousness," he was NOT talking about the NT.
I think I will go with the bible on this one
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