For example, if you already pursue spiritual things and move of God, which is important then why I have not heard much teaching about gifts of the spirit (1 Corinthians 12:7-11) and about Ephesians 4:11-15 which are very important pillars of the church. Maybe you some other information?
I do not assume, but read bible and think with my own brains, not letting some big guys to brainwash me. But look, this last statement of yours is now already a better statement, that people have to start somewhere as we have to admit that we do not have the same power working throught us as Jesus has, we have to grow. On other hand don't come to tell me that the idea behind your (actually Torben's) statement about growing the muscle healingwise has a biblical foundation, you can't find it and this is your personal opinion to justify the teaching you have heard. I gave you a scripture which is really clear and there's no need for you to come out with some own thoughts about first disciples. We have to admit, that there are gifts of healings that bible describes and these gifts have to be earnestly asked from God otherwise muscle does not grow.
By the way, how many churches/home groups have you founded already from scratch and how many of those you have preached to are now active hot christians?
You don't believe in a growing increasing faith? Growing up in spiritual things? There is no shortage of scripture on it. A huge number of people now active are as versed, if not in a lot of cases more versed, in doctrine then torban .but it's not about torban.it's about Jesus.
There are no big men.
We have the same holy Spirit Jesus received in the body. As it categorically States in Romans.but we must learn to walk in him and how much We do is dependent on how much We die to self in every aspect.
Yes.. what you call “church plants” are done in fact you can now attend Pioneer schools for deeper discipling in more countries and small fellowships with nil dependency on any other then the holy spirit are developing at a phenomenal rate in Europe. In the U.S. that are more prone to cling to religious system but in Europe that system is far more defined with the evidence of maryology turning up in all manner of established denominations it is becoming increasingly impossible to remain faithful to Jesus without compromise And remain in that system.
In Europe there are huge things Changing and the false unification of the men made church is already bringing persecutionary pressures on any who don't curtail to “their version“
Of unity.
In Europe they are in spiritual preperation for the most severe crackdown upon those who would practice and preach the whole true gospel .
This is not a game being played .they are in preparation to die for this gospel of Jesus .
As for its growth ...refer the TLR map.
These numbers only represent those who put themselves in it voluntarily..and not all do so.
And they have quadrupled in only the last 14 months .
Spiritual gifts are not theoretically taught.
They are lived and experientially learned knowledge passed on disciple to disciple. The church system is fat
with people taught about the theologies spiritual gifts for over 20 years.
yet so few use them . they play with them like toys on Sunday.
I have seen believers not more then 2 years in the faith operate in tongues interpretation knowledge wisdom discernment ,healing ,miracles in the action of preaching the gospel ..using the gifts for the work of GOD
The fluent in prophecy teaching and equipping those not so quick at it
The fluent in visions teaching the not so quick and eqipping them and in return they themselves being trained and equipped in gifts the others are more adept at and so the body builds the body and none but Jesus is the head. Teachers teach all others how to teach..healers teach all o 5th 3rd how to heal .evangelists teach all others how to evangelize and all are equipped to get to it.
There are not young adult groups playing church on Saturday night ..there are young adults forsaking sin .going out healing the sick preaching the gospel ..I sat with young people in 3 ，
5 ，10 ，21 day fasts and one who has recently completed a 40 day cast.
Utterly denying their flesh at its most basic need and desire to humble it 4th at they me better hear the Lord.
This is no game being played..
This is a return to being disciples of Jesus.people are listening to the call God is making and going out into his harvest in greater numbers then a single generation has ever heard..because this is the beginning of the final harvest .
A young Muslim extremist who was ready to suicide in her hatred ..repented got baptised in water and demons cast out..now preaches Christ.they asked her if they could share her story ..they asked because they said it may cost her persecution..she said she is already paying that cost .please share it.
She is willing to die nitbeven hiding her face but testifying eye to cameras.
This is no game..no denominational launch. This is a move of God .
Thousand truley set free from sin..
Not playing hyper grace word games.but ceasing from and forsaking their sin in the holy fear of God and loving him with all their hearts and proving it by their obedience to him.
This is no game..it is a reforming of the body of Christ... And those who are following the head of the body Re already being hated for doing so.
And in almost all cases the first seedling pressure of persecution come not from the world..but from the systimized church . just as it was in the time of Jesus.That old wineskin cannot contain it.
