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Plan A =

The purpose of the cross is to do away with you, blessed riddance.

Alternate plan b =

There is NO alternate plan, please consult Plan A.

That is correct again. I am begging to think that you have been reading the Scriptures!

John 14:6...…….
"And Jesus said unto them, I am the way the truth and the life and NO man comes to the Father except by ME".

Isn't that THE ONLY PLAN?
 
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Noli: The fact is you need an awakening of unparalleled proportions. Your horizon, & that of your tag team other half, will continue to be stunted in limited.

Well we will see who is awake to Gods Word and who is asleep behind the wheel. We have beaten this dead horse long enough! See you on another thread. YOu may take the last word between us if you wish.
 
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No news there Moonbeam. I would say that every one agrees with that.

You & your tag team pal do not!

You believe the Father of all fathers is not the ending of the all.

You believe the Author is not the Finisher.

You believe in the God of chance.

You believe there are forces greater than the All powerful One.

You believe the steadfast love of the Lord has time limits.

"It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance--the forgiveness of our offences--so abundant was God's grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him."
 
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Well we will see who is awake to Gods Word and who is asleep behind the wheel. We have beaten this dead horse long enough! See you on another thread. YOu may take the last word between us if you wish.

The last word, Noli, is His.

The Ending is the Beginning in the Source & Goal of ta pavnte!

“The second journey begins when we know we cannot live the afternoon of life according to the morning program.” ― Brennan Manning-

“Lord Jesus, we are silly sheep who have dared to stand before You and try to bribe You with our preposterous portfolios..... -Brennan Manning-
 
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Good grief: This must be the new math of the tag team of Noli-Major.

No sir. It is the math that proves the Trinity and I was pretty sure you would not understand it.

1 = The Father.
1 = The Son.
1 = The Holy Spirit
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1 then is the TOTAL of the persons in the Trinity.
1 God manifested in 3 Persons.

Real hard......right!

Oh, that's right.....it is Bible 101.
 
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You & your tag team pal do not!

You believe the Father of all fathers is not the ending of the all.

You believe the Author is not the Finisher.

You believe in the God of chance.

You believe there are forces greater than the All powerful One.

You believe the steadfast love of the Lord has time limits.

"It is in Him, and through the shedding of His blood, that we have our deliverance--the forgiveness of our offences--so abundant was God's grace, the grace which He, the possessor of all wisdom and understanding, lavished upon us, when He made known to us the secret of His will. And this is in harmony with God's merciful purpose for the government of the world when the times are ripe for it--the purpose which He has cherished in His own mind of restoring the whole creation to find its one Head in Christ; yes, things in Heaven and things on earth, to find their one Head in Him."

YOU have a real knack for placing words into the mouths of others.

God is the beginning and the ending of all things..........Bible fact.

God is the author and finisher of all things...................Bible fact.

There is NO such thing as a coincidence.

There is NO such thing in the Bible that there is something greater than God.

There are NO limits to Gods power.

Where you get your info is a mystery to me.

I think that there is a commandment in the Bible about truth telling.
 
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YOU have a real knack for placing words into the mouths of others.

God is the beginning and the ending of all things..........Bible fact.

God is the author and finisher of all things...................Bible fact.

There is NO such thing as a coincidence.

There is NO such thing in the Bible that there is something greater than God.

There are NO limits to Gods power.

Where you get your info is a mystery to me.

I think that there is a commandment in the Bible about truth telling.

Well thank you Big Guy for your disclosures. The problem (s) of course are your posts which indeed put limits on the God of Glory.

One day you will wake up from your slumber into the expansive horizons of Him who changes crawling creatures into amazing flights of grandeur by the process of metamorphoo.
 
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And does God want to save everyone, first and foremost?
An illogical question because it assumes that "if" God does want to save everyone ergo ipso facto God will save everyone but that is not necessarily true.
Note this passage from Jeremiah. God said “I have caused to cleave” That word is הדבקתי/ha’dabaq’thi. It is in the perfect or completed sense. God’s express will, clearly stated, for the whole house of Israel and Judah, to cling to God as a belt clings to a man’s waist. It was done, finished, completed, in God’s sight, and, according to some arguments, nothing man can do will cause God’s will to not be done. But they, Israel and Judah, would not hear and obey, their will, vs. God’s will, So God destroyed them, vs. 14.

…..This passage very much speaks to God’s sovereign will, and man’s free will and agency. God stated very clearly what His will was, in terms that cannot be misunderstood. But, because the Israelites and Judeans would not hear, and obey, God destroyed them, instead of them being unto God, “for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory, vs. 10.”

Jer 13:1 Thus saith the LORD unto me, Go and get thee a linen girdle, and put it upon thy loins, and put it not in water.
2 So I got a girdle according to the word of the LORD, and put it on my loins.
3 And the word of the LORD came unto me the second time, saying,
4 Take the girdle that thou hast got, which is upon thy loins, and arise, go to Euphrates, and hide it there in a hole of the rock.
5 So I went, and hid it by Euphrates, as the LORD commanded me.
6 And it came to pass after many days, that the LORD said unto me, Arise, go to Euphrates, and take the girdle from thence, which I commanded thee to hide there.
7 Then I went to Euphrates, and digged, and took the girdle from the place where I had hid it: and, behold, the girdle was marred, it was profitable for nothing.
8 Then the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
9 Thus saith the LORD, After this manner will I mar the pride of Judah, and the great pride of Jerusalem.
10 This evil people, which refuse to hear my words, which walk in the imagination of their heart, and walk after other gods, to serve them, and to worship them, shall even be as this girdle, which is good for nothing.
11 For as the girdle cleaveth to the loins of a man, so have I caused to cleave [הדבקתי/ha’dabaq’thi] unto me the whole house of Israel and the whole house of Judah, saith the LORD; that they might be unto me for a people, and for a name, and for a praise, and for a glory: but they would not hear.

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14 And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers and the sons together, saith the LORD: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have mercy, but destroy them.
Note, verse 14, God said He will NOT have pity, will NOT spare, and will NOT have mercy but destroy them.


 
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I believe this to be an indirect reference to the Lake of Fire:

"Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire." I Corinthians 3:13-15 (KJV)

No, that is doctrine, not a person. If a minister of Christ promotes a doctrine that happens to be false, the doctrine will not survive as truth, though the minister is not damned to the lake of fire, but his works will be judged for not following the Scriptures.
 
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No, that is doctrine, not a person. If a minister of Christ promotes a doctrine that happens to be false, the doctrine will not survive as truth, though the minister is not damned to the lake of fire, but his works will be judged for not following the Scriptures.

I have no idea what is your criterium for what is false in our Father?

The Scripture Saint Steve has quoted is clear. Every man's work, (& woman), shall be tried in His fire. The net purpose of the Lord = reward or loss, but salvation in the finality!


"Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire." I Corinthians 3:13-15 (KJV)
 
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I have no idea what is your criterium for what is false in our Father?

The Scripture Saint Steve has quoted is clear. Every man's work, (& woman), shall be tried in His fire. The net purpose of the Lord = reward or loss, but salvation in the finality!


"Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire." I Corinthians 3:13-15 (KJV)

The context of 1 Cor. 3 is regarding people saying they follow Paul, Apollos, or Peter. So it is regarding a person's ministry, or teaching.

I have no idea what you are accusing me about the Father?

We have many denominations all started by someone's emphasis of one Bible doctrine over another. Some of these people were wrong in their premise, and their teaching, their work, will burn up. They being saved as by fire means they will receive a stricter judgment. James 3:1
 
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FineLinen said:
I have no idea what is your criterium for what is false in our Father?
The Scripture Saint Steve has quoted is clear. Every man's work, (& woman), shall be tried in His fire. The net purpose of the Lord = reward or loss, but salvation in the finality!
"Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is. If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward. If any man's work shall be burned he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire." I Corinthians 3:13-15 (KJV)
A text book example of quoting scripture out-of-context to support false doctrine. Every heterodox religious group around uses this same tactic. Anybody can make the Bible almost anything they want it to by quoting selective scripture out-of-context.
1 Corinthians 3:9-17
9 For we are labourers together with God: ye are God's husbandry, ye are God's building.
10 According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
This entire passage is addressed to a certain group; “laborers together with God, God's husbandry, God's building,” vs. 9, “who build on the foundation of Jesus Christ” vs. 10, NOT all mankind.
"no man,""any man,""every man," from vs. 9 to 17 refers to that same group. Vs. 15 does not suddenly refer to all mankind.

13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, [foundation of Christ vs. 12] he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for the temple of God is holy, which temple ye are.
We can plainly see that vs. 15 does not state or imply that all mankind will be saved no matter what because vs. 17 says that any man who defiles the temple will be destroyed NOT saved.
 
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I am asking you what is your criterium for what is false concerning our Heavenly Lord. What is it?

I never said there was anything false about God. Why are you accusing me? However, there are things false about what man makes up as a false doctrine. Do you not understand the difference?
 
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I never said there was anything false about God. Why are you accusing me? However, there are things false about what man makes up as a false doctrine. Do you not understand the difference?

The God of Glory is perfection with a capital P.

Again: what I am asking you are what your parameters are for determining false doctrine?

They are?
 
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The God of Glory is perfection with a capital P.

Again: what I am asking you are what your parameters are for determining false doctrine?

They are?

False doctrines are contrary to the Word of God, and are by human reason only.
 
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False doctrines are contrary to the Word of God, and are by human reason only.

False doctrines are indeed contrary to the One who stands before us. They come out of broken mankind who cannot think straight as a result of sin.

Your question remains: what is your criteria for false doctrine?
 
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