The Lake Of Fire

[FineLinen]

Are my posts invisible?

You big silly, that contraption in which you fly is quite visible, and the words and videos dropping down to us here on C.F. are enhanced by the visit!!!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Are my posts invisible? I can quite spending time posting them if no one wants to respond.......

The Lake Of Fire
The Lake Of Fire
The Lake Of Fire
The Lake Of Fire
The Lake Of Fire

You big silly, that contraption in which you fly is quite visible, and the words and videos dropping down to us here on C.F. are enhanced by the visit!!!

Ahhhh.....I wonder how others here view my posts..............
I may bring this other thread over to this board.

Is the GREAT CITY in Revelation symbolizing the LAKE OF FIRE?

 

[FineLinen]

Can't wait until He returns ... but know I will have to.

Tire ... very tired of this world ... all the violence, constant strife . ;o(

Even so ... come Lord Jesus!

Dear Eleos: We are all weary with this world! Do not wait for His return, let Him lift you to where He is now.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Can't wait until He returns ... but know I will have to.
Tire ... very tired of this world ... all the violence, constant strife . ;o(

Even so ... come Lord Jesus!

The Jews have been waiting about 2000yrs for their own "parousia" of Messiah to come, so what's a few more 1000........
There are threads on the "parousia/2nd coming".

Let's focus on the Gehenna and Lake of Fire as the 1st century Hebrew Jews pre 70ad would have viewed them....

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

Matthew 24:3
Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling to us!
when shall these be being?
and what the sign of Thy parousia<3952> and full-end<4930> of the Age?

James 5:8
be ye patient!, also stand-fast the hearts of ye,
that the Parousia <3952> of the Lord has-neared/hggiken <1448> (5758);

1 Peter 4:7
Of all-things yet the End<5056> is nigh<1448>
be sane then, and be sober into the prayers,

Revelation 1:3
Blessed/happy the one reading and the ones hearing the words of the Prophecy and keepings in it having been written/gegrammena <1125> (5772),
That the Time/Season is nigh<1451>.

Revelation 22:10
And he is saying to me "no thou should be sealing the Words of the Prophecy of the Scroll, this.
That the Time/Season is nigh<1451
===========================
A few OT scriptures concerning the 70ad Olivet Discourse verses quoted above.......

Jer 38:2
“Thus says the LORD: ‘He who remains in this city shall die by the sword, by famine, and by pestilence; but he who goes over to the Chaldeans shall live; his life shall be as a prize to him, and he shall live.'[fn]
Isa 22:1
Here is a message about the Valley of Vision:
What is the reason that all of you go up to the rooftops?
Eze 33:27
“Say thus to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “As I live,
surely those who are in the ruins shall fall by the sword,
and the one who is in the open field I will give to the beasts to be devoured,
and those who are in the strongholds and caves shall die of the pestilence.
=====================
This was said to the 1st century Jews before the 70ad parousia and destruction of Jerusalem....

Matthew 24
17 The one on the house top no let him be coming down! to take away the things out of his house;
18 and the one in the field no let him turn back! to pick up his garment<2240>.
Mark 13
15 The one yet upon the house top no let him be coming down! into the house
neither let him enter! to pick up anything out of his house;
16 and he who is in the field being, let him not turn back! to the things behind, to take up his garment.
Luke 17:31
In that the day, whoany shall be on the house top, and his vessels in his house, no let be coming down! to pick them up.
And the one in the field likewise, no let him turn back into the behind
==========================
Partial Preterism at PreteristArchive.com, The Internet's Only Balanced Look at Preterism

70ad:
A coming (parousia) of Christ
A day of the Lord
A judgment
The end of the Jewish Age
(Source: R.C. Sproul, Last Days)

Still future:
The Coming (parousia) of Christ
The Day of the Lord
The Resurrection of the dead
The Rapture of the living
The (final) Judgment
The end of history
================
Visual Timeline of the Roman-Jewish War ARTchive @ =

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

At this critical and alarming conjuncture, intelligence arrived that the Roman army was approaching the city. The Jews were petrified with astonishment and fear ; there was no time for counsel, no hope of pacification, no means of flight:-- all was wild disorder and perplexity :- nothing was to be heard but "the confused noise of the warrior, " -- nothing to be seen but garments rolled in blood," -- nothing to be expected from the Romans but signal and exemplary vengeance. A ceaseless cry of combatants was heard day and night, and yet the lamentations of mourners were still more dreadful.
The consternation and terror which now prevailed induced many inhabitants to desire that a foreign foe might come, and effect their deliverance. Such was the horrible condition of the place when Titus and his army presented themselves, and encamped before Jerusalem ; but, alas ! not to deliver it from its miseries but to fulfill the prediction, and vindicate the benevolent warning of our Lord :
"When ye see (he had said to his disciples) the abomination of desolation, spoken or by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place, [11] and Jerusalem surrounded by armies (or camps,) then let those who are in the midst of Jerusalem depart, and let not those who are in the country enter into her," for " then know that the desolation thereof is nigh." Matt. xxiv. 15, 21 ; Luke xxi. 20, 1-11.

 

[zoidar]

Dear Zoidar: You cannot be serious. Repentance, like all aspects of Father's draw upon us, is in the present progressive tense, not a one time experience, but that which comes as a result of His working in us!

Regarding Universal Reconciliation, which is not what is being addressed on this link, mark this well; our God loses nothing, He is the God of ta panta!

I am serious. Isn't the initial repentance the doorway into God's kingdom?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

I am serious. Isn't the initial repentance the doorway into God's kingdom?

I am serious. The one you asked this of is presenting a deadly false gospel. i.e. not true nor reliable in seeking Jesus or in coming to God in His Kingdom.

 

[eleos1954]

The Jews have been waiting about 2000yrs for their own "parousia" of Messiah to come, so what's a few more 1000........
There are threads on the "parousia/2nd coming".

Let's focus on the Gehenna and Lake of Fire as the 1st century Hebrew Jews pre 70ad would have viewed them....

Matthew 24, Mark 13 and Luke's Temple/Jerusalem Discourses harmonized- Poll Thread

Matthew 24:3
Yet of Him sitting on the Mount of the Olives, the Disciples came toward to Him according to own saying "be telling to us!
when shall these be being?
and what the sign of Thy parousia<3952> and full-end<4930> of the Age?

James 5:8
be ye patient!, also stand-fast the hearts of ye,
that the Parousia <3952> of the Lord has-neared/hggiken <1448> (5758);

1 Peter 4:7
Of all-things yet the End<5056> is nigh<1448>
be sane then, and be sober into the prayers,

Revelation 1:3
Blessed/happy the one reading and the ones hearing the words of the Prophecy and keepings in it having been written/gegrammena <1125> (5772),
That the Time/Season is nigh<1451>.

Revelation 22:10
And he is saying to me "no thou should be sealing the Words of the Prophecy of the Scroll, this.
That the Time/Season is nigh<1451
===========================
A few OT scriptures concerning the 70ad Olivet Discourse verses quoted above.......

Jer 38:2
“Thus says the LORD: ‘He who remains in this city shall die by the sword, by famine, and by pestilence; but he who goes over to the Chaldeans shall live; his life shall be as a prize to him, and he shall live.'[fn]
Isa 22:1
Here is a message about the Valley of Vision:
What is the reason that all of you go up to the rooftops?
Eze 33:27
“Say thus to them, ‘Thus says the Lord GOD: “As I live,
surely those who are in the ruins shall fall by the sword,
and the one who is in the open field I will give to the beasts to be devoured,
and those who are in the strongholds and caves shall die of the pestilence.
=====================
This was said to the 1st century Jews before the 70ad parousia and destruction of Jerusalem....

Matthew 24
17 The one on the house top no let him be coming down! to take away the things out of his house;
18 and the one in the field no let him turn back! to pick up his garment<2240>.
Mark 13
15 The one yet upon the house top no let him be coming down! into the house
neither let him enter! to pick up anything out of his house;
16 and he who is in the field being, let him not turn back! to the things behind, to take up his garment.
Luke 17:31
In that the day, whoany shall be on the house top, and his vessels in his house, no let be coming down! to pick them up.
And the one in the field likewise, no let him turn back into the behind
==========================
Partial Preterism at PreteristArchive.com, The Internet's Only Balanced Look at Preterism

70ad:
A coming (parousia) of Christ
A day of the Lord
A judgment
The end of the Jewish Age
(Source: R.C. Sproul, Last Days)

Still future:
The Coming (parousia) of Christ
The Day of the Lord
The Resurrection of the dead
The Rapture of the living
The (final) Judgment
The end of history
================
Visual Timeline of the Roman-Jewish War ARTchive @ =

The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

At this critical and alarming conjuncture, intelligence arrived that the Roman army was approaching the city. The Jews were petrified with astonishment and fear ; there was no time for counsel, no hope of pacification, no means of flight:-- all was wild disorder and perplexity :- nothing was to be heard but "the confused noise of the warrior, " -- nothing to be seen but garments rolled in blood," -- nothing to be expected from the Romans but signal and exemplary vengeance. A ceaseless cry of combatants was heard day and night, and yet the lamentations of mourners were still more dreadful.
The consternation and terror which now prevailed induced many inhabitants to desire that a foreign foe might come, and effect their deliverance. Such was the horrible condition of the place when Titus and his army presented themselves, and encamped before Jerusalem ; but, alas ! not to deliver it from its miseries but to fulfill the prediction, and vindicate the benevolent warning of our Lord :
"When ye see (he had said to his disciples) the abomination of desolation, spoken or by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place, [11] and Jerusalem surrounded by armies (or camps,) then let those who are in the midst of Jerusalem depart, and let not those who are in the country enter into her," for " then know that the desolation thereof is nigh." Matt. xxiv. 15, 21 ; Luke xxi. 20, 1-11.

Things yet to happen

A severe falling away from the faith. (on-going, but will get much worse)
The beast (antichrist) and false prophet yet to be seen - many people will be fooled by this
Terrible, terrible things happening in the world .. such as we have never seen (great tribulation)
Jesus returns - 1st resurrection - all saved taken to heaven and are with the Lord
then things play out from there on

 

[FineLinen]

I am serious. Isn't the initial repentance the doorway into God's kingdom?

Dear Zoidar: The initial doorway into God's Kingdom is the very first time you hear His voice saying "Come unto Me."

For me, many moons ago, my wee legs could not run fast enough to respond. Oh, my friend, repentance is so easy when you grasp a measure of His glory!

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

LittleLambofJesus said: ↑
The Jews have been waiting about 2000yrs for their own "parousia" of Messiah to come, so what's a few more 1000........
Let's focus on the Gehenna and Lake of Fire as the OC 1st century Hebrew Jews pre 70ad would have viewed them....

Things yet to happen

A severe falling away from the faith. (on-going, but will get much worse)
The beast (antichrist) and false prophet yet to be seen - many people will be fooled by this
Terrible, terrible things happening in the world .. such as we have never seen (great tribulation)
Jesus returns - 1st resurrection - all saved taken to heaven and are with the Lord
then things play out from there on

That has absolutely nothing to do with the topic of this thread.........
If you want to discuss Eschatology, go to the Eschatology board..........

Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum
Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum
The Endtimes & Prophecy Forum.
No full preterist views.
Partial preterists welcomed.

Is the "GEHENNA" of Matt 23:33 the "LAKE OF FIRE" in Revelation? Poll thread

Is the GREAT CITY in Revelation symbolizing the LAKE OF FIRE? Poll thread

 

[zoidar]

Dear Zoidar: The initial doorway into God's Kingdom is the very first time you hear His voice saying "Come unto Me."

For me, many moons ago, my wee legs could not run fast enough to respond. Oh, my friend, repentance is so easy when you grasp a measure of His glory!

For me it's another story. I got convinced I was going to hell. It was the sadness of what I would miss out on that made me repent. Then miraculously God saved me.

 

[FineLinen]

For me it's another story. I got convinced I was going to hell. It was the sadness of what I would miss out on that made me repent. Then miraculously God saved me.

Dear Zoider: There are many ways the Spirit of the Lord brings us to His side. You most likely represent many who have come to the Master of Reconciliation thru the idea of going to unending despair. Deciding to follow Jesus must originate in the call, "Come".

The salvation, by the Author of salvation, is indeed a glorious intervention of miracle. It will ruin your life for being "normal".

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

For me it's another story. I got convinced I was going to hell. It was the sadness of what I would miss out on that made me repent. Then miraculously God saved me.

What was/is you concept of hell?
Perhaps a lot of early Christians got their concept of "Hell" from this Jewish/Hebrew Covenantle parable in Luke

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

The parable of Lazarus and the rich man has been the foundation for many of the erroneous beliefs about "hell" within traditional Christianity. Some have viewed it not as a parable, but as a true story Yeshua told to give details about the punishment of sinners in hell....

Those who insist that this is not a parable but a true, literal story Yeshua told to describe the condition of the lost in hell must overlook several facts to arrive at that conclusion.
First, Yeshua the Messiah never accuses the rich man of any sin. He is simply portrayed as a wealthy man who lived the good life.
Furthermore, Lazarus is never proclaimed to be a righteous man. He is just one who had the misfortune to be poor and unable to care for himself.
If this story is literal, then the logical implication is that all the rich are destined to burn in hell, while all the homeless and destitute will be saved. Does anyone believe this to be the case?

LUKE 16:
22 "So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried."
23 "And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom."
24 "Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue;
for I am tormented/anquished in this flame.' "

While the significance of this seemingly pointless detail has been neglected by scholars throughout the centuries, you can be certain that it did not escape the notice of the Pharisees and scribes to which Yeshua was speaking. They thoroughly knew their history and were extremely proud of their heritage. Yeshua wanted those self-righteous Pharisees to know exactly who he was referring to with this parable.
This detail cements the identity of the rich man as the House of Judah, the Jews!
===================================
Psalms 22:16 For dogs have surrounded me, assembly of ones doing evil have encompass me as a lion, hands of me and feet of me.

Luke 16:21 and yearning to be satisfied from the crumbs the-ones falling from the table of the rich-one, but also the dogs/kuneV <2965> coming licked upon the sores of him.

Philip 3:2 Beware of the dogs!/kunaV <2965> beware of-the evil workers! beware of-the circumcision! [Psalms 22:16/Isaiah 56:11/Revelation 22:15]

Revelation 22:15 Outside the dogs/kuneV <2965> and the sorcerers and the prostituters and the muderers and the idolaters and every one being fond of and doing falseness.

 

[zoidar]

What was/is you concept of hell?
Perhaps a lot of early Christians got their concept of "Hell" from this Jewish/Hebrew Covenantle parable in Luke

Lazarus and the Rich Man - Here a little, there a little - Commentary

The parable of Lazarus and the rich man has been the foundation for many of the erroneous beliefs about "hell" within traditional Christianity. Some have viewed it not as a parable, but as a true story Yeshua told to give details about the punishment of sinners in hell. Yet a thorough, unbiased examination of this story will show that the generally accepted interpretations of this passage of Scripture are erroneous and misleading. In this article, we will go through the parable verse by verse to determine what the Messiah was truly teaching.

Those who insist that this is not a parable but a true, literal story Yeshua told to describe the condition of the lost in hell must overlook several facts to arrive at that conclusion.
First, Yeshua the Messiah never accuses the rich man of any sin. He is simply portrayed as a wealthy man who lived the good life.
Furthermore, Lazarus is never proclaimed to be a righteous man. He is just one who had the misfortune to be poor and unable to care for himself.
If this story is literal, then the logical implication is that all the rich are destined to burn in hell, while all the homeless and destitute will be saved. Does anyone believe this to be the case?

LUKE 16:
22 "So it was that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels to Abraham's bosom. The rich man also died and was buried."
23 "And being in torments in Hades, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom."
24 "Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue;
for I am tormented/anquished in this flame.' "

While the significance of this seemingly pointless detail has been neglected by scholars throughout the centuries, you can be certain that it did not escape the notice of the Pharisees and scribes to which Yeshua was speaking. They thoroughly knew their history and were extremely proud of their heritage. Yeshua wanted those self-righteous Pharisees to know exactly who he was referring to with this parable.
This detail cements the identity of the rich man as the House of Judah, the Jews!
===================================

I don't remember, but a dark place without meaning and joy. That's my view of hell today.

 

[zoidar]

I don't remember, but a dark place without meaning and joy. That's my view of hell today.

Annihilationism is another possibility. But I doubt it's true.

 

[FineLinen]

Annihilationism is another possibility. But I doubt it's true.

Dear Zoidar: The deep empty hole all mankind has, can only be eradicated by a union with the Living God. You may try some other answer, but it is doomed to more and more despair.

Annihilation is a more humane destination for lost sinners, but falls far far short of the God of ta panta.

 

[FineLinen]

Dear friends: This has been a long day for this old man. I do appreciate each of your posts today. The following two posts are from a couple of sites I frequent (in my spare time). The following is from a super moderator of liberal persuasion.

Dear Super Mod: Welcome to C.F.

"This is an important subject, researching whether people burn in hell and what all of that stuff means. Remember also passages about the furnace of affliction, purification. Remember the opening of Isaiah in which he has a vision where his lips are purified with hot coals from the altar. Remember, too, the flaming sword of the guardian of Eden and the way to the tree of life. The serpents in the wilderness had a fiery bite. The fat of the sacrifice must be burned...etc.

The burning bush in the wild has a spreading fire. The English says consuming, yet the bush isn't burned. It is probably a spreading fire. That is only a guess not a scholarly thing, but a consuming fire would destroy the bush would it not? A spreading fire would not, and it would explain why Moses has to take off his sandals. His feet probably touch that fire, and there is probably some kind of purification going on there. I don't know why it would start at his feet, but maybe it does and then goes all over him?"

 

[FineLinen]

The Lake Of Fire
1. We will consider all passages of Scripture speaking of the Lake.
2. What is the Lake of Fire?
3. What is not the Lake of Fire.
4. What is the defining ingredient of the Lake.
5. Compare or God the Consuming Fire & the Lake of Fire.

Dear fellow poster: welcome to C.F.

"Easy. Works for all 5 above.

If your heart is full of nothing but thorns, guess what's left of you after full exposure any of the above?

If your heart is gold, with maybe some thorns mixed in, guess what's left after exposure? Pure Gold!

"

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Dear friends: This has been a long day for this old man. I do appreciate each of your posts today. The following two posts are from a couple of sites I frequent (in my spare time). The following is from a super moderator of liberal persuasion.

Dear Super Mod: Welcome to C.F.

The burning bush in the wild has a spreading fire. The English says consuming, yet the bush isn't burned. It is probably a spreading fire. That is only a guess not a scholarly thing, but a consuming fire would destroy the bush would it not? A spreading fire would not, and it would explain why Moses has to take off his sandals. His feet probably touch that fire, and there is probably some kind of purification going on there. I don't know why it would start at his feet, but maybe it does and then goes all over him?"

I like the burning bush event........

Exodus 3:2 And the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush. So he looked, and behold, the bush was burning with fire, but the bush was not consumed.

Luke 16:24 And he sounding said: "Father Abraham! be thou merciful to-me! and send Lazarus!, that he should be dipping the tip of the finger of him of water, and should be cooling down the tongue of me,--
that I am being pained in this flame<5395>"

Acts 7:
30 “And when forty years had passed, an Angel of the Lord appeared to him in a flame of fire in a bush, in the wilderness of Mount Sinai.
35 “This Moses whom they rejected, saying, ‘Who made you a ruler and a judge?'[fn] is the one God sent to be a ruler and a deliverer by the hand of the Angel who appeared to him in the bush.

Hebrews 1:7 And toward indeed to the Messengers He is saying 'Who is making His Messengers winds<4151> and his ministers flame of fire

Revelation 2:18
‘And to the Messenger of the assembly in Thyatira write! These things saith the Son of the God, Who is having His eyes as a flame of fire, and His feet like to burnished bronze

 

[SkyWriting]

It would be as long as what ever "Forever and Ever" is.

Since there are no days, nights, or time....then......
it is not. In the greek it's closer to "one human lifetime"
and its usage extends to "the entire time of the earth"
and existence. As I was saying.
NT 165: αἰών

 

[BNR32FAN]

Can't wait until He returns ... but know I will have to.

Tire ... very tired of this world ... all the violence, constant strife . ;o(

Even so ... come Lord Jesus!

Amen where’s that last Gentile at so I can shake him around a bit and holler BELIEVE ALREADY!! Lol I’m kidding