The kingdom of heaven

[5thKingdom]

Put your claims on a timeline chart.

Deal with the fact that SCRIPTURE says the Eternal Kingdom
BEGINS when the Fourth Beast is destroyed... that is when
the "Ancient of Days" comes.

You don't need a "time chart" to understand that fact
or the fact that Revelations is NOT shown in chronological order
since the Beast is destroyed in Rev 11 and Rev 18 and Rev 19...
you don't need a CHART to read Scripture.


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[Douggg]

So to say the "binding of Satan" occurs AFTER the
Revelation Beast is destroyed BECAUSE it's in Rev 20
is completely nosensical.

Not just in Revelation 20, but continues directly what is in Revelation 19:19-21.

You need to make a timeline chart of the events in Revelation 6-20.

 

[5thKingdom]

It all takes place on the day that Jesus returns.

So the destruction of the Fourth Beast AND the
establishment of the Eternal Kingdom AND
the "binding" of Satan all begin
on the same day?


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[Douggg]

You don't need a "time chart" to understand that fact
or the fact that Revelations is NOT shown in chronological order
since the Beast is destroyed in Rev 11 and Rev 18 and Rev 19...
you don't need a CHART to read Scripture.

make a timeline chart of the events of Revelation. Don't just make fragmented statements. Prove your claims fit together.

 

[Douggg]

So the destruction of the Fourth Beast AND the
establishment of the Eternal Kingdom AND
the "binding" of Satan all begin
on the same day?


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The Kingdom of Heaven is brought to earth as the Kingdom of God on the day that Jesus returns to earth.

 

[5thKingdom]

Not just in Revelation 20, but continues directly what is in Revelation 19:19-21.

No Dougg... Rev 20 is NOT a continuation of Rev 19
Because Rev 19 shows the destruction of the Fourth Beast
and Daniel 7 says the Eternal Kingdom BEGINS at the destruction
of the Fourth Beast... not 1000 years later (as you pretend)

The question remains.... WHO is correct,
the BIBLE or Dougg?



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[5thKingdom]

The Kingdom of Heaven is brought to earth as the Kingdom of God on the day that Jesus returns to earth.

But you said Satan is "bound" for 1000 years when
the Fourth Beast is destroyed but the BIBLE says
the Eternal Kingdom BEGINS on that day and we
all know that flesh and blood cannot inherit the
Eternal "Kingdom of God"... so your 1000 year
"golden age" is proven false by the Bible.


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[Douggg]

No Dougg... Rev 20 is NOT a continuation of Rev 19
Because Rev 19 shows the destruction of the Fourth Beast
and Daniel 7 says the Eternal Kingdom BEGINS at the destruction
of the Fourth Beast... not 1000 years later (as you pretend)

The question remains.... WHO is correct,
the BIBLE or Dougg?
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It all takes place on the day that Jesus returns. No-one is claiming the destruction of the fourth kingdom to take place at the end of the thousand years.

The Kingom of Heaven is brought to earth as the King of God the day the Jesus returns.

It is in the days of the ten toes kings in Daniel 2.

44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

 

[Douggg]

But you said Satan is "bound" for 1000 years when
the Fourth Beast is destroyed but the BIBLE says
the Eternal Kingdom BEGINS on that day and we
all know that flesh and blood cannot inherit the
Eternal "Kingdom of God"... so your 1000 year
"golden age" is proven false by the Bible.


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The Kingom of Heaven is brought to earth as the King of God the day the Jesus returns.

It is in the days of the ten toes kings in Daniel 2.

44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

 

[5thKingdom]

The Kingdom of Heaven is brought to earth as the Kingdom of God on the day that Jesus returns to earth.

When you dream of a 1000 year "golden age" on earth
AFTER the "Kingdom of God" is established,
Remember these verses


1Co 6:9-10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit
the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators,
nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers
of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous,
nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners,
shall inherit the kingdom of God.


Gal 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these;
Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry,
witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions,
heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such
like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in
time past, that they which do such things shall not
inherit the kingdom of God.


Rev 22:15
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.


So your 1000 year "golden age" during the "Kingdom of God"
cannot have any flesh and blood in it [1Co 15] and it cannot
have any sinners in it either.



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[Douggg]

So your 1000 year "golden age" during the "Kingdom of God"
cannot have any flesh and blood in it [1Co 15] and it cannot
have any sinners in it either.

It is called the messianic era by some.

The no sinners is after the great white throne judgement, and during the new heaven new earth continuation of the everlasting Kingdom of God.

 

[5thKingdom]

The Kingom of Heaven is brought to earth as the King of God the day the Jesus returns.

It is in the days of the ten toes kings in Daniel 2.

44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Exactly... the Eternal "Kingdom of God" which contains
no flesh and blood [1Co 15] and includes NO SIN
begins when the Fourth Beast is destroyed.

So there is not 1000 year period in the Eternal Kingdom
and there is no "golden age" of unsaved people in the
Eternal Kingdom and Satan is not "bound" or "loosened"
during the Eternal Kingdom where SIN does not exist.

Glad we agree on this...
So you ADMIT Satan was "bound" at the Cross?


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[5thKingdom]

It is called the messianic era by some.

And some believe you can be saved by making an altar call
or saying a sinner's prayer...

What kind of argument was that?

The Bible teaches the Eternal Kingdom BEGINS when
the Fourth Beast is Destroyed (want the Scriptures AGAIN?)

So your delusion of a "golden age" of PEOPLE living in
a Eternal Kingdom where flesh and blood and sin
CANNOT EXIST is immediately destroyed.


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[Douggg]

Exactly... the Eternal "Kingdom of God" which contains
no flesh and blood [1Co 15] and includes NO SIN
begins when the Fourth Beast is destroyed.

So there is not 1000 year period in the Eternal Kingdom
and there is no "golden age" of unsaved people in the
Eternal Kingdom and Satan is not "bound" or "loosened"
during the Eternal Kingdom where SIN does not exist.

Glad we agree on this...
So you ADMIT Satan was "bound" at the Cross?


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No we do not agree.

The everlasting Kingdom of God in Daniel 2 begins when Jesus has returned ending the fourth kingdom of the ten kings. The millennial reign of Jesus on earth is the messianic era. After the great white throne judgement which after the end of thousand year millenial reign on this current earth, the everlasting Kingdom of God continues in the New Heaven and New Earth - which there will be no sinners.

What you do not understand is "everlasting" means it "continues".

 

[5thKingdom]

44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

Dan 7:21
I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints,
and prevailed against them; Until the Ancient of days came,
and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the
time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.


Dan 7:9-10
I beheld till the thrones were cast down,
and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white
as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne
was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. A fiery
stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand
thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times
ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set,
and the books were opened.


Dan 7:17-18
These great beasts, which are four, are four kings,
which shall arise out of the earth. But the saints of the
most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom
for ever, even for ever and ever.


Dan 7:13-14
I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man
came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days,
and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that
which shall not be destroyed.



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[Douggg]

Dan 7:21
I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints,
and prevailed against them; Until the Ancient of days came,
and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the
time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.


Dan 7:9-10
I beheld till the thrones were cast down,
and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white
as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne
was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. A fiery
stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand
thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times
ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set,
and the books were opened.


Dan 7:17-18
These great beasts, which are four, are four kings,
which shall arise out of the earth. But the saints of the
most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom
for ever, even for ever and ever.


Dan 7:13-14
I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man
came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days,
and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that
which shall not be destroyed.



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all fits with Daniel 2:44.

44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

 

[5thKingdom]

No we do not agree.

The everlasting Kingdom of God in Daniel 2 begins when Jesus has returned ending the fourth kingdom of the ten kings. The millennial reign of Jesus on earth is the messianic era. After the great white throne judgement which after the end of thousand year millenial reign on this current earth, the everlasting Kingdom of God continues in the New Heaven and New Earth - which there will be no sinners.

Earth to Dougg... the Eternal Kingdom shown in Daniel 2
is the same Eternal Kingdom shown in Daniel 7 and the
same Eternal Kingdom shown in Rev 11 and Rev 18
and Rev 19

The millennial Kingdom begins when Satan is "bound"
at the Cross. The Revelation Kingdom and/or
Daniel's Fourth Beast cannot BEGIN
until Satan is "loosened".

WHO do you imagine the "Little Horn" or the "False Prophet"
(commonly known as the Anti-Christ) gets his POWER FROM?
Hint: it Satan AFTER he is "loosened".


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[5thKingdom]

No we do not agree.

Dougg... please tell me WHY you refuse to believe that
Satan was "bound" at the Cross?


Mat 28:18-20
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying,
All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in
the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded
you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.
Amen.


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[Douggg]

The millennial Kingdom begins when Satan is "bound"
at the Cross. The Revelation Kingdom and/or
Daniel's Fourth Beast cannot BEGIN
until Satan is "loosened".

Satan was not bound at the cross. He goes about as a roaring lion seeking who he can destroy.

 

[5thKingdom]

Satan was not bound at the cross. He goes about as a roaring lion seeking who he can destroy.

So Satan was NOT "bound" at the Cross?
Even though Christ has ALL POWER after the Cross?


Mat 28:18-20
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying,
All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in
the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded
you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.
Amen.


And Satan is "bound" for 1000 years when the Lord Returns?


1Co 15:24
Then cometh the end, when he shall have
delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when
he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.


1Co 15:50-54
Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot
inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit
incorruption. Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep,
but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye,
at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall
be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible
must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this
mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to
pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.


So tell me Dougg.. if Satan was NOT "bound" at the Cross
WHEN is he "bound" and WHEN is he "loosened"?



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