The kingdom of heaven

[Victor in Christ]

Thanks for being a new voice in this thread.

I can't go much further than that brother, it distracts my mind. People need to hear the Gospel of Salvation and eternal joy in heaven with Christ.

 

[Douggg]

So you believe there is a 1000 years of SINNERS in the
Eternal "Kingdom of God"?

Rev 22:15
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers,
and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth
and maketh a lie.

of SINNERS in the
Eternal "Kingdom of God"


You are playing around with words. The kingdom of God will be the ruling kingdom here on earth during the 1000 years. The nations will be ruled by Jesus with a rod of iron. Because there will be sinners present on earth during the thousand years.

 

[Victor in Christ]

So you believe there is a 1000 years of SINNERS in the
Eternal "Kingdom of God"?

How can there be sin in the eternal kingdom of heaven. No sin can ever enter into heaven. I'm not going to get into petty squabbles about how God is going to deal with the wicked on this Earth. I know Christ will return to judge the ungodly and he'll reign for 1000 years on earth. Those 1000 years are not to be confused with eternity though.

 

[Victor in Christ]

Who do you think is the star fall from heaven unto the earth?

would that star be this one?

 

[Tone]

all of the "ten virgins" preached the Gospel of the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" during the
FIRST Beast. I was included in that. I was part of
those (spiritually) "killed"... I was part of those who
helped the Anti-Christ "set-up" Daniel's Abomination.

So, if we didn't preach the Antichrist's gospel, we were not of the 10 virgins? And this gospel consists of the "latter rain", no hell, no church, and what else?

 

[Tone]

You don't need a "time chart"

It would be useful if you had one.

 

[Tone]

Exactly... the Eternal "Kingdom of God" which contains
no flesh and blood [1Co 15] and includes NO SIN
begins when the Fourth Beast is destroyed.

This brings me back to my question:


Do you still sin?

Sorry if you already answered and I missed it.

 

[Tone]

And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God
entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and
great fear fell upon them which saw them. And they heard a
great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither.
And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud

So, when did this happen for the Last Saints...historically, in reality? Thanks.

 

[5thKingdom]

So, if we didn't preach the Antichrist's gospel, we were not of the 10 virgins? And this gospel consists of the "latter rain", no hell, no church, and what else?

The Gospel of the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
contained other things... but the POINT is simple, only those
who "went forth" from the (3rd) Christian "Kingdom of Heaven"
as they were "harvested" into the (4th) Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven" could be part of the "ten virgins".
(or the ten "kings/horns" of Daniel 7 and Revelation 17)

Rev 9 is all about the Gospel of the Anti-Christ "tormenting"
those who stayed in the churches. The "Locusts" (false prophets)
were the Great Tribulation Saints being "overcome" by the Beast
and those Saints are (spiritually) "killed" at the end of the 1st Woe
(Fifth Trumpet) and beginning of the 2nd Woe (Sixth Trumpet).
The Bible says at the appointed year/month/day/hour.

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[5thKingdom]

So, when did this happen for the Last Saints...historically, in reality? Thanks.

The 3.5 "times" and 3.5 "days" and 3.5 years (42 months)
and 3.5 "watches of the night" ended October 21, 2011
We have been in the "Season and Time" [Dan 7:11-12]
since then... also shown in Rev 11:14 and the time
BETWEEN Rev 19:20 and 20:10.

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[5thKingdom]

This brings me back to my question:


Do you still sin?

Sorry if you already answered and I missed it.

Sorry, I missed that question.
The simple answer is yes... since I still have a body.

The more complex answer is no... because in 1John and
Romans 7 we are told that it is not US (our born-again soul)
that sins... but all sin comes from our sinful flesh.


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[5thKingdom]

It would be useful if you had one.

There is a time chart of sorts at the bottom of chapter 9

https://www.5thkingdomofheaven.com/chapter-9

And a simple chart of the history of the world in chapter 9.1


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[jgr]

God made a promise to Abraham to give to him and his seed a certain property in the middle east. There are boundaries to this property. Thus far Abraham nor his seed have received this property. Now there are some who say Abraham no longer wanted the land promised to him. There are others who say Abraham lives in the clouds and therefore wouldn't want to live on the earth. But there's one problem with this thinking. It's not Abraham's decision to make. It's God's word and it's God's promise. If God says he will give Abraham and his seed the land between the Euphrates river and the red sea for an everlasting possession. Then you better believe Abraham and his seed will be in that land forever. God's not going to go back on his word for a few confused people on this board.

Genesis 17:8 KJV: And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.

Joshua 21
43 And the Lord gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.
44 And the Lord gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the Lord delivered all their enemies into their hand.
45 There failed not ought of any good thing which the Lord had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.

The Holy Spirit and Joshua were not confused.

 

[5thKingdom]

How can there be sin in the eternal kingdom of heaven. No sin can ever enter into heaven. I'm not going to get into petty squabbles about how God is going to deal with the wicked on this Earth. I know Christ will return to judge the ungodly and he'll reign for 1000 years on earth. Those 1000 years are not to be confused with eternity though.

But that is my point EXACTLY.
There cannot be a 1000 year period with sinful men
AFTER the Fourth Kingdom (Revelation Beast) is destroyed.

Since the Bible is clear (Dan 7) that the Eternal Kingdom BEGINS when the
Fourth Beast (Revelation Beast) is destroyed... there can be no sinful men on earth.

The PROBLEM that I was demonstrating is that Satan is "loosened" at the START of the
Revelation Beast [Rev 9] so WHY are people saying he was "bound" at the END of the
Revelation Beast?

Satan was "bound" at the Cross.
The earliest Saints looked for His imminent Return [2 Thess 2]
The Catholic Saints understood this traditional "A-Millennial" doctrine since 400AD
Most of the Protestant Reformers also preached the A-Millennial doctrine.
So it has been preached by the "church" since the Apostles to this day.
Most Reformed and Orthodox Protestant churches still teach this.

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[5thKingdom]

of SINNERS in the
Eternal "Kingdom of God"


You are playing around with words. The kingdom of God will be the ruling kingdom here on earth during the 1000 years. The nations will be ruled by Jesus with a rod of iron. Because there will be sinners present on earth during the thousand years.

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So you are saying plainly (and I quote) "there will be sinners present on earth" during
the "Kingdom of God"


But the BIBLE says otherwise:


1Co 6:9-10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate,
nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards,
nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.


Gal 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions,
heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things
shall not inherit the kingdom of God.


Rev 22:15
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.



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[Douggg]

1Co 6:9-10
Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God?
Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate,
nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards,
nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

There will be no sinners after the Great White Throne judgement at the end of millennium reign of Jesus on this present earth. The Kingdom of God continues beyond the Great White Throne judgment to the New Heaven and New earth.

Gal 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions,
heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things
shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

same thing as above. Them who inherit the Kingdom of God will have eternal iife.

Rev 22:15
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

The New Jerusalem will be without dogs (figuaratively talking about wicked men), socereers, whoremongers, murders, idolatorers, and liars.

 

[5thKingdom]

There will be no sinners after the Great White Throne judgement at the end of millennium reign of Jesus on this present earth. The Kingdom of God continues beyond the Great White Throne judgment to the New Heaven and New earth.

same thing as above. Them who inherit the Kingdom of God will have eternal iife.


The New Jerusalem will be without dogs (figuaratively talking about wicked men), socereers, whoremongers, murders, idolatorers, and liars.

There will be no sinners after the Great White Throne judgement at the end of millennium reign of Jesus on this present earth.

But you deflect. The issue was not "at the END of the millennial Kingdom"
The issue was DURING the 1000 years. You said the "Kingdom of Heaven"
existed during the 1000 years but you admitted that flesh and blood and
SINNERS also exist at that time. The Bible says NO to both... I already
gave you the Scriptures - but nothing you did not REFUTE any of them.

(1) You are preaching a gospel that the "Kingdom of Heaven" BEGINS when
the Revelation beast is destoryed... but flesh and blood and SINNERS are there.
The Bible says not so.

(2) You are preaching a gospel that Satan is "bound" at the END of the Revelation Beast
when SCRIPTURE shows Satan is "loosened" at the BEGINNING of the Beast [Rev 9]

These two problems destroy your 1000 year "golden age" theory.

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[Douggg]

There will be no sinners after the Great White Throne judgement at the end of millennium reign of Jesus on this present earth.

But you deflect. The issue was not "at the END of the millennial Kingdom"

Can you read what I wrote in red. I did not say AT the END of the millennial Kingdom. I wrote at the end of the millennium reign of Jesus on this present earth. I did not use the word millennial kingdom in my sentence.

You have a bad habit of rephrasing what other people write, replacing their words with your own - and then attacking them accordingly.

 

[5thKingdom]

Can you read what I wrote in red. I did not say AT the END of the millennial Kingdom. I wrote at the end of the millennium reign of Jesus on this present earth. I did not use the word millennial kingdom in my sentence.

You have a bad habit of rephrasing what other people write, replacing their words with your own - and then attacking them accordingly.

What is the difference (in your mind) between the Millennial Kingdom
and the Millennial reign of Christ.

And I do believe you said the "Kingdom of God"
You think that flesh and blood and SINNERS exist during the "Kingdom of God"
That is what you said - right?


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[5thKingdom]

You have a bad habit of rephrasing what other people write, replacing their words with your own - and then attacking them accordingly.

Your exact words were (and I quote)

You are playing around with words. The kingdom of God will be the ruling kingdom here on earth during the 1000 years. The nations will be ruled by Jesus with a rod of iron. Because there will be sinners present on earth during the thousand years.

You said the Kingdom of God will be ruling on earth during the 1000 years
And you said "... there will be sinners present on earth during that thousand years."

I sent you 1Co 6:9-10 which says NO SINNERS exist during the "Kingdom of God"
I sent you Gal 5:19-21 which says NO SINNERS exist during the "Kingdom of God"
I sent you Rev 22:15 which says NO SINNERS exist during the "Kingdom of God"

I could have also shown that "flesh and blood" do not exist in the "Kingdom of God"

When the Fourth Beast/Revelation Beast is destroyed the Eternal "Kingdom of God"
begins and all SINNERS are cast into the Lake-of-First [Rev 20:10]
They do not exist in the "Kingdom of God"

BTW: I am still waiting for you to explain how the BIBLE says Satan is "loosened"
at the START of the Revelation Beast [Rev 9] when you say Satan is "bound"
at the END of the Revelation Beast... you need to EXPLAIN that contradiction.



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