The kingdom of heaven

[5thKingdom]

No locations of fellowship?

There are FEW of us that made it through the First Beast
and Second Beasts. As you already read, the First Beast
was JUDGMENT on the Last Saints and the Second Beast
was JUDGMENT on the "foolish virgins". And it has been
32 years. Just a few old saints ("wise virgins") left.

Now we are watching God's Judgment on Satan and the
Kingdoms of Man. Revelation 19:20 shows the destruction
of the Beast. Revelation 20:10 shows the destruction of
Satan and the "Kingdoms of Man". The Lord's Return is
finally imminent.

https://www.5thkingdomofheaven.com/

This time BETWEEN the destruction of Satan's spiritual Kingdom
and Satan's physical/political Kingdom is discussed in chapter 8.4
of the website.

Rev 19:20
And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that
wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that
had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped
his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning
with brimstone.

Rev 20:10
And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire
and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are,
and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.


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[5thKingdom]

So you were involved with FR?

There was no "involvement" other than contributions.
But that is not the important part. The important part
is all of the "ten virgins" preached the Gospel of the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" during the
FIRST Beast. I was included in that. I was part of
those (spiritually) "killed"... I was part of those who
helped the Anti-Christ "set-up" Daniel's Abomination.

https://www.5thkingdomofheaven.com/chapter-8

However, as you can see from the parable/prophecy...
all the "wise virgins" separated from the "foolish virgins"
during the SECOND Beast. [Mat 25:1-13]



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[Douggg]

Go back and read what the BIBLE SAYS:
The previous Beasts lives are prolonged for a "Season and Time"
AFTER the destruction of the Fourth Beast in the Lake of Fire.

The millennium rule of Jesus upon the earth follows the end of the fourth kingdom.

 

[Douggg]

I don't know WHY you are talking about Egypt now...
since you claimed the Babylonian Empire and the Persian Empire
and the Grecian Empire continue on earth for a "Season and Time"
(or 1000 years) AFTER the people of the Roman Empire are
cast into the Lake of Fire.

Because you were complaining that I wrote the "nations" of the territories of the three ancient empire were allowed to continue. You were taking exception that I used the word "nations". So I gave one example of a nation, Egypt, once part of the territory of the ancient greek empire, continuing into the millennium.

What I suggest again is that you just should abandon the scheme and theory you have created about 5 Kingdoms of Heaven. Andi instead concentrate on how all the end times prophecies fit together.

So, you are preaching the PEOPLE of Babylon and PEOPLE from
Persia and PEOPLE from Greece remain alive on earth AFTER the
PEOPLE from the Fourth Beast are cast into the Eternal Lake.

No, I am not.

 

[5thKingdom]

@5thKingdom
Is the above correct?

A King and his son is the Jewish?
A Sower is the Christian?


A king and His Son = God and Jesus
The sower of saved "wheat and sheep" are Jesus and His disciples
The sower of unsaved "tares/goats" in the church is Satan


The Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 13] consists of BOTH
"wheat/sheep" sown by God and "tares/goats" sown by Satan.
They grow together in the Church Age (while Satan is "bound").
Until all the lost sheep are saved and their "testimony" is "finished".

The saved "wheat" and unsaved "tares" are separated at the
"end-of-the-age" [end of the church age] .. as the "ten virgins"
are "harvested" into the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
and the "wise virgins" are "harvested" just before the Beast is
destroyed. See chapters 1.2 and 1.3 for Scriptures.

https://www.5thkingdomofheaven.com/chapter-1


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[5thKingdom]

Because you were complaining that I wrote the "nations" of the territories of the three ancient empire were allowed to continue. You were taking exception that I used the word "nations". So I gave one example of a nation, Egypt, once part of the territory of the ancient greek empire, continuing into the millennium.

You are missing the POINT Dougg...
You said the first three Beasts were Babylon and Persia and Greece.
And the BIBLE says [Dan 7:11-12] the previous Beasts have their
"lives prolonged for a Season and Time" after the Fourth Beast has
been cast into the Lake of Fire.

(1) But there is no Babylonian Empire today.
There is no Persian Empire OR Grecian Empire

(2) You have an entirely NEW GOSPEL.
Suddenly there will be a Babylonian Beast again.
Suddenly there will be a Persian Beast again,
Suddenly there will be a Grecian Beast again
And they continue for 1000 years AFTER
the Fourth Beast is in the Lake of Fire.




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[5thKingdom]

The millennium rule of Jesus upon the earth follows the end of the fourth kingdom.

WRONG. The Millennial Kingdom begins when Satan was "bound"...
that happened at the CROSS. And it ENDS when Satan is "loosened"
from the Bottomless Pit at the Fifth Trumpet (or 1st Woe), as revealed
in Rev 9:1... Is this "news" to you Dougg?

The saints "lived and reigned with Christ" during the Church Age or
the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" which Jesus specifically NAMED
(in 8 verses) in Matthew 13


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[Douggg]

You are missing the POINT Dougg...
You said the first three Beasts were Babylon and Persia and Greece.
And the BIBLE says [Dan 7:11-12] the previous Beasts have their
"lives prolonged for a Season and Time" after the Fourth Beast has
been cast into the Lake of Fire.

(1) But there is no Babylonian Empire today.
There is no Persian Empire OR Grecian Empire

(2) You have an entirely NEW GOSPEL.
Suddenly there will be a Babylonian Beast again.
Suddenly there will be a Persian Beast again,
Suddenly there will be a Grecian Beast again
And they continue for 1000 years AFTER
the Fourth Beast is in the Lake of Fire.




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Daniel 7 covers the time from the Babylonian Empire to over 2500 years later to the end times little horn person, and the Kingdom of Heaven being brought here to earth by Jesus at His return to be given to the saints in Daniel 7:27.

 

[Douggg]

WRONG. The Millennial Kingdom begins when Satan was "bound"...
that happened at the CROSS. And it ENDS when Satan is "loosened"
from the Bottomless Pit at the Fifth Trumpet (or 1st Woe), as revealed
in Rev 9:1... Is this "news" to you Dougg?

There are multiple things that happen right before the millennium begins, including Satan being bound and cast into the bottomless pit; the beast and the false prophet cast alive into the lake of fire; the armies assembled together to make war on Jesus destroyed.

What you should do is make a timeline chart of all your iterations, fitting everything you have been writing about, and putting it into a non-fragmented form of a timeline chart. To show how any of it makes sense.

 

[5thKingdom]

What I suggest again is that you just should abandon the scheme and theory you have created about 5 Kingdoms of Heaven.

Let me get this straight...
You suggest that a Christian NOT preach about:


(1) The Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven" in Matthew 22:2
Mat 22:2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king,
which made a marriage for his son,



(2) And YOU suggest nobody preaches about the multiple times
that JESUS specifically NAMES the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven".


Mat 13:24
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying,
The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed
good seed in his field:

Mat 13:31
Another parable put he forth unto them, saying,
The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:

Mat 13:33
Another parable spake he unto them;
The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven,
which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal,
till the whole was leavened.

Mat 13:44
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field;
the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof
goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.

Mat 13:45
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man,
seeking goodly pearls:

Mat 13:47
Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net,
that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:

Mat 13:52
Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed
unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an
householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure
things new and old.[Old Testament and New Testament]


(3) That's NINE passages of Scripture that YOU SUGGEST
we do not preach because Jesus NAMES the Jewish and the
Christian "Kingdoms of Heaven"... and you want me to also
intentionally ignore the TENTH PASSAGE talking about the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".


Mat 25:1
Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins,
which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.


BOTTOM LINE:
You are suggesting people REJECT or Intentionally IGNORE
what JESUS specifically NAMES in Scripture in at least TEN
different passages.

Tell me Dougg... exactly how many passages of Scripture
do you suggest people REJECT or intentionally IGNORE?

I have never heard someone suggest we IGNORE Scriptures...
Are you SURE about your recommendation?

Does the BIBLE suggest we intentionally IGNORE Scriptures?
What chapter and verse is that?


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[5thKingdom]

There are multiple things that happen right before the millennium begins, including Satan being bound and cast into the bottomless pit; the beast and the false prophet cast alive into the lake of fire; the armies assembled together to make war on Jesus destroyed.

Now you are just being silly...
You said Satan must be "bound" right before the 1000 yrs...
but Satan was "bound" at the Cross.


(1) When do YOU think Satan was/is "bound"?


You said the Beast and the False Prophet are cast into
the Lake of Fire BEFORE the millennial Kingdom BUT...
they are destroyed at the END of the Second Woe
(Sixth Trumpet) at the END of the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1]


(2) Do you think the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven" occurs BEFORE the 1000 years
when Satan is "bound" or AFTER Satan is "loosened"
[Rev 9:1]


Looks to me you are putting the cart before the horse...
but we will see AFTER you answer those two questions.


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[5thKingdom]

Daniel 7 covers the time from the Babylonian Empire to over 2500 years later to the end times little horn person, and the Kingdom of Heaven being brought here to earth by Jesus at His return to be given to the saints in Daniel 7:27.

You say: Daniel 7 covers the time from the Babylonian Empire...
to the end times little horn person"...


The Bible says Daniel 7 shows the FOUR KINGDOMS on earth:


Dan 7:17
These great beasts, which are four, are four kings,
which shall arise out of the earth.


Dan 7:23
Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom
upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall
devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in
pieces.


BTW... according to your last post this Fourth Beast must
happen BEFORE the 1000 year Millennial Kingdom...
when the Bible says the Eternal Kingdom STARTS
when the Fourth Beast is destroyed.

Sounds like you have a chronology problem if the
Eternal Kingdom starts when the Fourth Beast is destroyed
but YOU SAY the Fourth Beast is destroy and THEN there
is a 1000 period when Satan is "bound"


BTW... did you know that saints have preached
since the 14th Century that all these Beasts/Kingdoms
are the SAME PEOPLE and the SAME EVENTS

(1) Daniel's Fourth Beast
(2) Revelation Beast
(3) Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
(4) Reign of the Anti-Christ
(5) Satan's "Little Season" (after he is loosened - Rev 9:1)

Were you aware of this reality?
Do you AGREE or DISAGREE with any of these?
Which one(s)?


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[Douggg]

Sounds like you have a chronology problem if the
Eternal Kingdom starts when the Fourth Beast is destroyed
but YOU SAY the Fourth Beast is destroy and THEN there
is a 1000 period when Satan is "bound"

The little horn person will be the 7th Julio Claudian King of the fourth empire, the Roman Empire. Which in the end times takes the form of the EU.

In the middle part of the 7 years, he will be killed and brought back to life as the beast, 8th Julio Claudian King of the forth empire, the Roman Empire, which in the end times take the form of the EU.

When Jesus returns in Revelation 19:17-21, the beast and the false prophet are cast alive in to the last of fire. Ending the fourth empire as well. In Revelation 20:1-3, Satan is bound and cast into the bottomless pit and the 1000 years begin.

Don't give me fragmented verbiage, put your chronology of what you believe on a timeline chart.

 

[5thKingdom]

The millennium rule of Jesus upon the earth follows the end of the fourth kingdom.

You say Satan is "bound" for 1000 years AFTER the end
of the Fourth Kingdom.

But the BIBLE says the ETERNAL "Kingdom" begins when
the Fourth Kingdom is destroyed.

I wonder WHO is correct?
Is it Dougg... or is it the BIBLE?


Dan 7:21
I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints,
and prevailed against them; Until the Ancient of days came,
and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the
time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.


Dan 7:9-10
I beheld till the thrones were cast down,
and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white
as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne
was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. A fiery
stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand
thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times
ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set,
and the books were opened.


Dan 7:17-18
These great beasts, which are four, are four kings,
which shall arise out of the earth. But the saints of the most High
shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever,
even for ever and ever.


Dan 7:13-14
I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man
came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days,
and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that
which shall not be destroyed.


Doug... you say all these things (start of the Eternal kingdom)
happens BEFORE Satan is "bound" for 1000 years.
That is just so wrong.


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[Douggg]

Doug... you say all these things (start of the Eternal kingdom)
happens BEFORE Satan is "bound" for 1000 years.
That is just so wrong.

This is the sequence given in Revelation. The beast and false prophet cast into the lake of fire; the armies destroyed; Satan bound and cast into the bottomless pit- all take place the day that Jesus returns. Then the 1000 years begin.

Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

 

[5thKingdom]

The little horn person will be the 7th Julio Claudian King of the fourth empire, the Roman Empire. Which in the end times takes the form of the EU.

In the middle part of the 7 years, he will be killed and brought back to life as the beast, 8th Julio Claudian King of the forth empire, the Roman Empire, which in the end times take the form of the EU.

When Jesus returns in Revelation 19:17-21, the beast and the false prophet are cast alive in to the last of fire. Ending the fourth empire as well. In Revelation 20:1-3, Satan is bound and cast into the bottomless pit and the 1000 years begin.

Don't give me fragmented verbiage, put your chronology of what you believe on a timeline chart.

You say "the little horn person will be the 7th Julio ....
But that is just your personal opinion and the saints
have understood Daniel's Fourth Beast = Revelation Beast
since the Reformation.

You say "In the middle part....
But that is just your personal opinion because the BIBLE says
the ETERNAL Kingdom begins when the Fourth Beast
is destroyed.

Revelation is NOT chronological (everyone knows that)
the END is shown in Rev 11 and Rev 18 and Rev 20...
even casual "Bible studies" know Revelation is not
showing any chronological order.

How can the 1000 years begin AFTER the Revelation
Beast is destroyed? Daniel 7 shows the ETERNAL Kingdom
begins when the Fourth Beast is destroyed.

Who is correct?
Dougg... or the Bible?


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[5thKingdom]

This is the sequence given in Revelation.

Revelation 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

Revelation 20:1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.

2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Of course the PROBLEM with trying to prove the 1000 yrs
happens AFTER the Revelation Beast is destroyed is that
Revelations does NOT show events in chronological order.

The Beast is destroyed in Rev 11 and Rev 18 and Rev 19...
Clearly (to any serious Bible student) Revelations cannot be
showing a chronological order because the SAME EVENTS
are shown in multiple chapters.

But your BIGGER problem is the Bible says the Eternal Kingdom
BEGINS when the Fourth Beast was destroyed... and YOU SAY
it does NOT BEGIN when the Last Beast is destroyed.

Either the Bible is wrong... or YOU are wrong...
Which one is it?


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[Douggg]

You say "the little horn person will be the 7th Julio ....
But that is just your personal opinion and the saints
have understood Daniel's Fourth Beast = Revelation Beast
since the Reformation

what saints?

You say "In the middle part....
But that is just your personal opinion because the BIBLE says
the ETERNAL Kingdom begins when the Fourth Beast
is destroyed.

Put your view on a timeline chart.

Revelation is NOT chronological (everyone knows that)
the END is shown in Rev 11 and Rev 18 and Rev 20...
even casual "Bible studies" know Revelation is not
showing any chronological order.

Put your view of the events of Revelation on a timeline chart.

How can the 1000 years begin AFTER the Revelation
Beast is destroyed? Daniel 7 shows the ETERNAL Kingdom
begins when the Fourth Beast is destroyed.

It all takes place on the day that Jesus returns.

 

[Douggg]

The Beast is destroyed in Rev 11 and Rev 18 and Rev 19...
Clearly (to any serious Bible student) Revelations cannot be
showing a chronological order because the SAME EVENTS
are shown in multiple chapters.

Put your claims on a timeline chart.

 

[5thKingdom]

When Jesus returns in Revelation 19:17-21, the beast and the false prophet are cast alive in to the last of fire. Ending the fourth empire as well. In Revelation 20:1-3, Satan is bound and cast into the bottomless pit and the 1000 years begin.

Dougg... the BIBLE shows Jesus Returning in Rev 11 and
Rev 18 and Rev 19.

So to say the "binding of Satan" occurs AFTER the
Revelation Beast is destroyed BECAUSE it's in Rev 20
is completely nosensical.

The Bible is very clear (I already gave you the verses)
the Eternal Kingdom BEGINS when the Fourth Beast
is destroyed.

Who can we believe?
Dougg or the Bible?


Dan 7:21
I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints,
and prevailed against them; Until the Ancient of days came,
and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the
time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.


Dan 7:9-10
I beheld till the thrones were cast down,
and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white
as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne
was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire. A fiery
stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand
thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times
ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set,
and the books were opened.


Dan 7:17-18
These great beasts, which are four, are four kings,
which shall arise out of the earth. But the saints of the most High
shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever,
even for ever and ever.


Dan 7:13-14
I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man
came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days,
and they brought him near before him. And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that
which shall not be destroyed.



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