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[Strong in Him]

Why then in psalms is one verse true but not the other ?

You should have asked for a dictionary for Christmas.
You previously didn't know the meaning of the word "indoctrination", and there was another one as well, though I can't remember what.

"True" and "literal" are not the same thing.
Is it true that Jesus said, "if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away"? Did he mean it literally? And if you say "yes", have you done it?
Is it true that Paul said that he wished that those who taught circumcision should have their bits cut off? Did he mean it to be literally done?
Is it true that Jesus said "I am the vine? Was he literally a plant?
Is it true that the Bible talks of the trees of the fields clapping their hands? Is it literal - do trees have hands?

What you need to look for is the truth that is being expressed in the poem, allegory, parable or saying.
In the first example, what Jesus meant was that if something is preventing you from entering the Kingdom of God, (and therefore receiving forgiveness and eternal life); get rid of it.
In the second example, Paul was exasperated with the people who taught that circumcision was necessary for salvation. I don't believe that anyone would have read that and thought, "Ooh, we'd better do it - the Apostle Paul has said so."
In the third example, no, Jesus is not a plant. He was talking of the relationship that he wants us to have with him. HE is the One who provides life. If we remain in him, we will bear fruit.; if we are apart, or disconnected, from him we will cut ourselves off from his life and strength and will not be able to bear fruit.
In the last example the Psalmist is talking of God's whole creation rejoicing.

 

[Hentenza]

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1970's world book where there is no mention of the midnight sun in Antarctica only the Arctic.

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Here is a challenge for flat earthers to prove that there is no midnight sun in the Antarctica. The challenge was issued in 2015 and remains unclaimed. Gee, I wonder why that is.

Midnight Sun is a phenomenon where the Sun remains visible at midnight. This phenomenon occurs in the summer months north of Arctic Circle, and south of the Antarctic Circle.

The apparent motion of the Sun in both polar regions is different. In the north polar region, the Sun moves from left to right. On the other hand, in Antarctica, the Sun moves from right to left. There is no explanation other than that Earth is a sphere.



The flat-Earth model can explain the occurrence of the northern midnight sun. But it fails to explain that the identical phenomenon also occurs in the southern polar region, but moves to the opposite direction.

A Challenge​

Anthony Powell —who made the famous Antarctic midnight-sun video on YouTube— is offering a free holiday to Antarctica for anyone who can prove there is no midnight sun in Antarctica.

Midnight Sun in Both Polar Regions Proves Spherical Earth

Midnight Sun is a phenomenon where the Sun remains visible at midnight. This phenomenon occurs in the summer months north of Arctic Circle, and south of the Antarctic Circle. The apparent motion of…

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[prodromos]

@d taylor When it is midday in Sydney, Australia it is sunset in Punta Arenas, Chile. They are over 8000 miles apart on your flat earth on nearly opposite sides of the North pole, so how is it possible we can both see the sun?

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Apologies, they are over 18,000 miles apart on the flat earth map.
Also, at that time the sun has already set in Los Angeles, so noon in Sydney, sun setting in Punta Arenas, yet sun is already out of view in Los Angeles. Please demonstrate how this is possible on your flat earth model.
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[prodromos]

Looking through Expedia the flight times are about the same, an average of 13 hours for both sets of non stop trips, both sets of trips give generally the same times when I just searched right now.

Here we go again, what is it about these flights, I thought @contratodo had answered you.

Here is Sydney to Santiago on your flat earth map, with Los Angeles marked in North America for your benefit. Please explain how those flight times work on your flat earth. As @contratodo has pointed out, both Sydney to Los Angeles and Sydney to Santiago flights are about 13 hours. The planes have the same cruising speed.

 

[Apple Sky]

They are all true because they convey truths about God.

So Psalms 104:5 is true then ?

 

[Phil G]

So Psalms 104:5 is true then ?

Is there something wrong with your memory? Even your short term memory? I explained it to you not even three hours ago in post #929.

Here it is again:

The verse you quote above uses the metaphor of building construction to convey the truth that God is the creator and that it is He and He alone who is the ultimate authority over His creation, and that we do not have to fear powers and authorities not of God, because they have no power to undo what God has done.

Getting that truth from the verse requires the reader to study and ponder about what it is saying about God, because that is who it’s about.

It has absolutely nothing to do with a literal description of His creation.

 

[Apple Sky]

Is there something wrong with your memory? Even your short term memory? I explained it to you not even three hours ago in post #929.

Here it is again:

The verse you quote above uses the metaphor of building construction to convey the truth that God is the creator and that it is He and He alone who is the ultimate authority over His creation, and that we do not have to fear powers and authorities not of God, because they have no power to undo what God has done.

Getting that truth from the verse requires the reader to study and ponder about what it is saying about God, because that is who it’s about.

It has absolutely nothing to do with a literal description of His creation.

Oh I see now, I think (scratch head)

 

[prodromos]

Oh I see now, I think (scratch head)

Maybe you need to sleep. What time is it there now?

 

[Phil G]

Oh I see now, I think (scratch head)

Well the problem seems to be that you’re focussing on the metaphor as if it is literal and not on God as the creator and sustainer of His creation.

Scripture has loads and loads of metaphors. Just as any culture does. And in Scripture they are used time and again to convey truths about God. The metaphor is not a literal truth, but a way of conveying truth about God.

That’s why Bible study, as opposed to just Bible reading, is very important. It’s only by study that you get to know the metaphors of the nation of Israel.

 

[Phil G]

Maybe you need to sleep. What time is it there now?

Same as here in Ireland, just gone 12:30 am

 

[prodromos]

Same as here in Ireland, just gone 12:30 am

Erin go Bragh!

 

[Apple Sky]

Maybe you need to sleep. What time is it there now?

12-35 am

 

[prodromos]

12-35 am

I have to hit the hay well before then, if I want to be functional at work the next day.

 

[Phil G]

I have to hit the hay well before then, if I want to be functional at work the next day.

Do you literally hit hay….or is that just a metaphor???

 

[David Lamb]

If I were posting lies then yes it would be wrong, but I'm not.

So you assume that all the astronauts are Freemasons (though by no means all are or were), and that they are all liars. Also, you seem to assume that Dubay tells the truth, even though he mocks God.

 

[David Lamb]

And God.

Tell us where God says in the bible that the earth is flat. Please don't quote he Isaiah verse that mentions God sitting on the circle or circuit of the earth, because that verse just doesn't say that the earth is a circle,

 

[David Lamb]

I don't interpret scripture, I read it as it is.

But you do interpret. Your read a verse that says that God sits on the circle of the earth, and you interpret/re-word that to mean, "God sits on the earth and the earth is a flat circle."

 

[David Lamb]

So Jesus didn't speak to the seven churches ?

Of course He did. Jesus instructed John to do so. But Revelation 19, which includes the verse about an angel speaking from the sun, is, like most of Revelation, part of a vision given by God to John.

 

[David Lamb]

Still I've never changed the meaning either.

How many times have you stated that Genesis 1 teaches us that the earth is flat, then when asked where it says that, have had to agree that it doesn't? How many times have you quoted Isaiah 40:22, and changed it from:

“It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.” (Isa 40:22 NKJV)

to something like:


“It is He who sits above the earth, and the earth is a circle, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.”

Then there's this verse:


“The likeness of the firmament above the heads of the living creatures was like the color of an awesome crystal, stretched out over their heads.” (Eze 1:22 NKJV)

The verse says that the colour of the firmament was like awesome crystal, but you interpret it to refer to the solidity of the firmament.

 

[David Lamb]

Why then in psalms is one verse true but not the other ?

Who here has even suggested that any verse from Psalms is untrue? What many of us have said is that some psalms use figurative language. For example:

“Praise the LORD from the earth, You great sea creatures and all the depths; Fire and hail, snow and clouds; Stormy wind, fulfilling His word; Mountains and all hills; Fruitful trees and all cedars; Beasts and all cattle; Creeping things and flying fowl;” (Ps 148:7-10 NKJV)

In the New Testament, Jesus calls Himself a vine an d a door, but people don't pick literal grapes from Him, and He doesn't have hinges and a handle. This is more true but figurative language.